God is a Fake

[RUPPRECHTS10]

It is each our own choice as to what we believe and I respect others for their choices that are different from mine.  Some people of opposite beliefs call my beliefs fairy tale, myth, etc.  That is not extending the same courtesy of respect ...

More often than not, religious believers do not respect opposing reason, (even while applying the misnomer of 'belief' to reasoning).  Instead, many of these believers claim to extend "respect" to other 'religions' but, not to non-religious positions.  That is not extending the same courtesy of respect.

My question was to the other poster.  I already know where you stand in regards to my beliefs.  I respect your beliefs (or non-beliefs) and am not wanting to go in circles with you.  Thank you.

You have it exactly right! ^_^ I believe that everyone has their own religious path that they make and who am I to say that they are wrong?! I have no right. In fact, upon listening to them, I may be swayed t'words their belief. If it makes sense to you and helps you in the hard times and proves its self again and again to be right, then how am I suppose to say it's wrong? It may not be the way for me, but I am happy you have found something so inspirational and meaningful. ^_^ As long as someone is happy and understands it completely and it makes sense then it is right. Just don't try to tell me I'm wrong just because I have found that happiness and understanding in a way that is different. 

[falcon9]

It is each our own choice as to what we believe and I respect others for their choices that are different from mine.  Some people of opposite beliefs call my beliefs fairy tale, myth, etc.  That is not extending the same courtesy of respect ...

More often than not, religious believers do not respect opposing reason, (even while applying the misnomer of 'belief' to reasoning).  Instead, many of these believers claim to extend "respect" to other 'religions' but, not to non-religious positions.  That is not extending the same courtesy of respect.

My question was to the other poster. I already know where you stand in regards to my beliefs. 

Since this is an open forum, anyone is free to comment or not on what is posted, (regardless of who it was posted to).  That said, baseless religious beliefs do not "respect" reason, they disregard it.

 

I respect your beliefs (or non-beliefs) and am not wanting to go in circles with you.  Thank you.

I can understand your not wanting to debate this topic however, I dispute your claim to "respect" my position that your "beliefs" disrepect reason.

[jcribb16]

It is each our own choice as to what we believe and I respect others for their choices that are different from mine.  Some people of opposite beliefs call my beliefs fairy tale, myth, etc.  That is not extending the same courtesy of respect ...

More often than not, religious believers do not respect opposing reason, (even while applying the misnomer of 'belief' to reasoning).  Instead, many of these believers claim to extend "respect" to other 'religions' but, not to non-religious positions.  That is not extending the same courtesy of respect.

My question was to the other poster. I already know where you stand in regards to my beliefs. 

Since this is an open forum, anyone is free to comment or not on what is posted, (regardless of who it was posted to).  That said, baseless religious beliefs do not "respect" reason, they disregard it.

 

I respect your beliefs (or non-beliefs) and am not wanting to go in circles with you.  Thank you.

I can understand your not wanting to debate this topic however, I dispute your claim to "respect" my position that your "beliefs" disrepect reason.

Your responses are exactly why I respectfully do not want to go in the same circles of discussion that we have already had in previous threads and posts.  You can dispute my claim and that's your choice.  Your disputation does not change my view or my beliefs in any way whatsoever.  Just because you, as one person, dispute my beliefs because in your view mine disrespect reason, does not mean that you are the almighty correct judge. 

Rupprechts10, thank you for your kind and understanding response!

[falcon9]

Your responses are exactly why I respectfully do not want to go in the same circles of discussion that we have already had in previous threads and posts. 

I concur. As previously indicated, non-reasoned 'belief/faith' seems only able to argue in "circles" in the face of reason.

You can dispute my claim and that's your choice.  Your disputation does not change my view or my beliefs in any way whatsoever. 

Exactly; unreasoned 'faith/belief' so often claims to be impervious to reason while retreating before it nonetheless.

Just because you, as one person, dispute my beliefs because in your view mine disrespect reason, does not mean that you are the almighty correct judge.[/color] 

First, it is not just one person disputing this, (as multiple replies from several others have shown).  Secondly, I never claimed to be an "almighty correct judge"; instead, I've questioned the basis of religious beliefs in general, (as well as specifically challenging your beliefs).  How strong is a "belief" which cannot withstand questioning it?

[Falconer02]

First, it is not just one person disputing this, (as multiple replies from several others have shown).  Secondly, I never claimed to be an "almighty correct judge"; instead, I've questioned the basis of religious beliefs in general, (as well as specifically challenging your beliefs).  How strong is a "belief" which cannot withstand questioning it?

Precisely. A faith-based/religious belief is pretty much the same as an empty opinion. The only difference between the two is one you must tread carefully with since the person may hold it as truth and get disgruntled when the reality of the falsehood is presented. The other is usually up for discussion/agrument and malleable to reason.

[falcon9]

A faith-based/religious belief is pretty much the same as an empty opinion. The only difference between the two is one you must tread carefully with since the person may hold it as truth and get disgruntled when the reality of the falsehood is presented.

In practice, there really is no discernable difference between the two since a person clinging to an empty opinion, (that is, one with no valid basis or, having a false basis), will just as often hold it as a truth and get defensively-disgruntled when such an opinion is demonstrated to be empty.  While there may be varying degrees of emotional investment in either an empty opinion or, a faith-based religious belief, neither stands up to reason.

The other is usually up for discussion/agrument and malleable to reason.

Sometimes however, more often than not, those holding such empty opinions are disinclined to engage in reasoned debate which questions them.
Given several previous responses regarding this matter, such resistance to rationality is probably a common human behaviour among many.  As pervasive as the phenomenon appears to be, there remain those who are open to reason and argumentative discussion.

[Falconer02]

In practice, there really is no discernable difference between the two since a person clinging to an empty opinion, (that is, one with no valid basis or, having a false basis), will just as often hold it as a truth and get defensively-disgruntled when such an opinion is demonstrated to be empty.  While there may be varying degrees of emotional investment in either an empty opinion or, a faith-based religious belief, neither stands up to reason.

I suppose so. In my experience, religious beliefs are just so awkwardly and reluctantly sealed from reason whereas discussing other interests with people (such as politics for instance) they seem much more willing to think when the obvious evidence goes against their belief. Granted this is not always the case...I suppose I'm talking from my perspective only since this is just the trend that I've noticed.

Given several previous responses regarding this matter, such resistance to rationality is probably a common human behaviour among many.  As pervasive as the phenomenon appears to be, there remain those who are open to reason and argumentative discussion.

I'm one to think that the older religious generations of people aren't worth arguing religion with since it's so 'default' and has been hammered into them all of their life. Any resistance to their belief sytems usually turns into circular reasoning (or just plain nonsense) which you've already pointed out. I still find it entertaining though!

Oh btw I haven't been posting much lately and have sort of bailed on a few past threads. December = super busy for me. Hope you and everyone else are doing well!

[falcon9]

In my experience, religious beliefs are just so awkwardly and reluctantly sealed from reason whereas discussing other interests with people (such as politics for instance) they seem much more willing to think when the obvious evidence goes against their belief. Granted this is not always the case...I suppose I'm talking from my perspective only since this is just the trend that I've noticed.

It seems to me that there is an almost 'natural' tendency of resistance to challenging any belief.  Ranging from mild reluctance to extreme defensiveness.

I'm one to think that the older religious generations of people aren't worth arguing religion with since it's so 'default' and has been hammered into them all of their life. Any resistance to their belief sytems usually turns into circular reasoning (or just plain nonsense) which you've already pointed out. I still find it entertaining though!

Entrenched positions cannot be overcome without extensive artillery support and ground forces.

Oh btw I haven't been posting much lately and have sort of bailed on a few past threads. December = super busy for me. Hope you and everyone else are doing well!

No worries.  Have a good solstice and post when convienent.

[dwiley11]

If you were saved you would know different

[Falconer02]

If you were saved you would know different

But I have been. Saved through medical technology. If that didn't exist when I was 5, I would have surely died.

[Flackle]

God is not fake.  God is real.  God is Love. 

If god is your idea of love then I'd never want to see what you do to people you hate.

[falcon9]

If you were saved you would know different

If jesus saves, the devil would have a more disversified investment portfolio and therefore, a greater rate of return.  Fortunately, both are mythical investors and neither pays significant dividends.

[mall0271]

I would like to say I am disturbed by your comment, but I'm not. So many people are disbelievers. And I feel sympathy for them. I know what God has done in my life and continues to do in my life. You are entitled to your beliefs and I can't judge for them. I can just pray one day you will realize that God loves you always. 

[falcon9]

I would like to say I am disturbed by your comment, but I'm not. So many people are disbelievers. You are entitled to your beliefs

By definition, a disbelief is not a belief.  You are entitled to irrationality however, as one would suppose.

[lgemini]

To think that there is a God is not a bad thing.  I know there is a God because without him who do you put your faith in.