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it will happen to to anyone that is not in his church on earth so u knead to fined his one and only church.and not one that is made by man .

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Re: To the Christian who thinks only those who accept Christ will go to heaven....
« Reply #331 on: September 24, 2011, 05:20:57 pm »
Yes. If you do not accept god as your savior, you will go to hell.

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Re: To the Christian who thinks only those who accept Christ will go to heaven....
« Reply #332 on: September 24, 2011, 05:26:37 pm »
THE DEVIL IS A LIE. THERE IS A ALMIGHTY GOD UP ABOVE BELIEVE THAT.

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The BIBLE is just another book at a book store

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I'm a Muslim and to go to heaven u must accept there is only 1 god and Jesus is NOT son of god nor god. U only submit to god. Jesus is just a prophet. Stop worshipping him u idiots!

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I'm a Muslim and to go to heaven u must accept there is only 1 god and Jesus is NOT son of god nor god. U only submit to god. Jesus is just a prophet. Stop worshipping him u idiots!



Oddly enough, the Arabic term 'islam' literally means "surrender," or "submission." Islam's believers (known as "Muslims" from the active participle of "islam"), accept surrender to the will of Allah (the Arabic word for God).
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I'm a Muslim and to go to heaven u must accept there is only 1 god and Jesus is NOT son of god nor god. U only submit to god. Jesus is just a prophet. Stop worshipping him u idiots!

I don't accept your islamic god, "Allah", either! Your god is not my God the Father.

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I'm a Muslim and to go to heaven u must accept there is only 1 god and Jesus is NOT son of god nor god. U only submit to god. Jesus is just a prophet. Stop worshipping him u idiots!

I don't accept your islamic god, "Allah", either! Your god is not my God the Father.


This sounds a lot like how the 'crusades' began ... and continue, somewhat less overtly.
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I'm a Muslim and to go to heaven u must accept there is only 1 god and Jesus is NOT son of god nor god. U only submit to god. Jesus is just a prophet. Stop worshipping him u idiots!

Oh man this is gonna be good.

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This sounds a lot like how the 'crusades' began ... and continue, somewhat less overtly.

No! Nooooo! You called it too soon! Ugh I just made the popcorn and everything  :'(

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I'm a Muslim and to go to heaven u must accept there is only 1 god and Jesus is NOT son of god nor god. U only submit to god. Jesus is just a prophet. Stop worshipping him u idiots!

Oh man this is gonna be good.

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This sounds a lot like how the 'crusades' began ... and continue, somewhat less overtly.

No! Nooooo! You called it too soon! Ugh I just made the popcorn and everything  :'(


Maybe there'll be a jihad here anyway but somehow, I doubt it.
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502mania:  I believe one's eternal destiny, according to my interpretation of the Bible, hangs on whether or not you personally believe and acknowledge that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins.   Everyone has sinned and noone is good enough to get to heaven on their own. (Romans 3:23)   There is nothing we can do to earn our way to heaven (Titus 3:5).  It's by grace that we are saved and not by works...otherwise grace would no longer be "grace".  (Romans 11:6)  Jesus was born to die for our sins so that we would not have to. Three days after His death, He rose from the grave (Romans 4:25), proving Himself victorious over death. He bridged the gap between God and man so that we may have a personal relationship with Him if we only believe.   Most people believe in God, even Satan does. But to receive salvation, we must turn to God, form a personal relationship, turn away from our sins, and follow Him. We must trust in Jesus with everything we have and everything we do. "This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.  (Romans 3:22). The Bible teaches that there is no other way to salvation than through Christ. Jesus says in John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."  Jesus is the ONLY way of salvation because He is the only One who can pay our sin penalty (Romans 6:23). Jesus had to be God so that He could pay our debt. Jesus had to be man so He could die. Salvation is available only through faith in Jesus Christ! “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).                                                                                                                                            IMO,  there is a Day of Judgement coming for EVERYONE, God will judge every one at that time.  He will know exactly what has been in each person's heart, He knows each person's every thought....He will know every action one ever made.  He will know exactly how many times one heard "the message of Christ" and ignored it.  He will also know those that never heard the message of Christ (and what happens there I'm not certain but I know He will be fair & just).  He will know every motive, there will be no hiding anything from Him.  I also kind of think satan will be there "reminding" God of every awful thing a person has done and he will be having a joyful time laying claim to the souls that belong to him.  (In my opinion, Judgment Day will be a day when time is UP...GAME OVER and God & Satan will "divide up" what belongs to them.   Those that aren't covered by the blood of Christ, those that never wanted to give God a second thought, those that were deceived by satan will now be officially "given" to satan (they now officially belong to satan, God is done wasting His time on them)  and  they all will be spending eternity in hell and as powerful as satan is...I think one can bet that he will "reign" there.  ALL of his evil-ness (most of which the average human has been unaware of while their time on earth) will be "unleashed".  He is the total opposite of God and as glorious as God is...I think will be as horrendous as a angry Satan would be. (I don't believe satan will be happy in hell, I think his wrath will be poured out for an eternity on all those who go there with him.) Those that had a personal relationship with Christ, those that are covered by His blood have been forgiven...they are the souls that Satan could NEVER have as they belong to God.  He will take them and go on to reign with them in heaven.  I don't believe there is anything on earth worth missing Heaven for.  I think a person should live their life to make SURE they don't end up in hell someday because the path to heaven IS narrow and it is FEW that find it.  (There is NOTHING in the Bible that says a child molester cannot be forgiven if they repent and change their ways.  There is nothing in the Bible that says certain races, tribes or religious denominations will be excluded from heaven.  I believe there will be a mix including some of every race, tribe and religious denomination both in heaven and in hell.  I also think there will be a mix of people that accomplished great things during their time on earth in both heaven and hell.)  It isn't about who or what we are, or what great things we have accomplished...ultimately, it's about who our hearts belong to.   :heart:



A lot of things seem good in this post except this sentence "Jesus had to be God so that He could pay our debt."
ompletely erroneous, priests back in the time of the israelites paid for the nations sins by animal sacrifice, Jesus as the lamb of God just happens to be a better sacrifice and last eternally nothing more, nothing less.  Also the biggest paradox for the christian is how can a perfect man die when his reward for being perfectly obedient was immortality or eternal life. I beleive Jesus died for our sins but it's still a paradox, not to mention if Jesus was in God nature on earth or at least kept some of it, not only can he not die(because God can't stop living otherwise he wouldn't be immortal), but his sacrifice wouldn't have been an equal ransom, Adam who sinned for mankind was a perfect man not perfect God and perfect man, or Very man/very God etc.
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Maybe there'll be a jihad here anyway but somehow, I doubt it.

Ah well. Might as well get back to being skeptical of the supernatural claims and pointing out problems then.

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I beleive Jesus died for our sins but it's still a paradox, not to mention if Jesus was in God nature on earth or at least kept some of it, not only can he not die(because God can't stop living otherwise he wouldn't be immortal), but his sacrifice wouldn't have been an equal ransom, Adam who sinned for mankind was a perfect man not perfect God and perfect man, or Very man/very God etc.

Here's something that has been perplexing me- how does this qualify a legitimate sacrifice? Life was harsh and people were dying left and right. Sickness was rampant, the gov't was adamant and freedom was sparse and food was nothing like it is today. You'd be lucky if it didn't have sand in it. Obviously the myth is pretty horrid when he is killed, but seeing how he gets to sit up in heaven with his daddy and be powerful and tell him to spare mankind which is a simple point-and-click for an all-powerful god, I don't see what the big deal is. Metaphorically it's like ripping a bandaid off of your arm and getting a billion dollars for doing so and then everyone who witnessed you pulling it off praises you and exclaims "What a terrible sacrifice!"

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Ah well. Might as well get back to being skeptical of the supernatural claims and pointing out problems then.


Maybe a mini-jihad is brewing, hard to tell this soon.


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I beleive Jesus died for our sins but it's still a paradox, not to mention if Jesus was in God nature on earth or at least kept some of it, not only can he not die(because God can't stop living otherwise he wouldn't be immortal), but his sacrifice wouldn't have been an equal ransom, Adam who sinned for mankind was a perfect man not perfect God and perfect man, or Very man/very God etc.


Here's something that has been perplexing me- how does this qualify a legitimate sacrifice? Life was harsh and people were dying left and right. Sickness was rampant, the gov't was adamant and freedom was sparse and food was nothing like it is today. You'd be lucky if it didn't have sand in it. Obviously the myth is pretty horrid when he is killed, but seeing how he gets to sit up in heaven with his daddy and be powerful and tell him to spare mankind which is a simple point-and-click for an all-powerful god, I don't see what the big deal is. Metaphorically it's like ripping a bandaid off of your arm and getting a billion dollars for doing so and then everyone who witnessed you pulling it off praises you and exclaims "What a terrible sacrifice!"


The entire concept of 'redemptive sacrifice' makes about as much 'sense' as tossing virgins into volcanos to curry favor.  The non-cognitive leap involved, ('faith'), doesn't account for how the sacrificial process used to supposed to obtain the desired result.  Even the roots of blood sacrifice rituals as 'gifts to the gods' don't really explain how such "gifts" would help, (beyond forlorn hope).
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If that's what you believe,then why do so many Atheists get so worked up about it?I don't see their kind of reaction over War & Peace. ;D

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502mania:  I believe one's eternal destiny, according to my interpretation of the Bible, hangs on whether or not you personally believe and acknowledge that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins.   Everyone has sinned and noone is good enough to get to heaven on their own. (Romans 3:23)   There is nothing we can do to earn our way to heaven (Titus 3:5).  It's by grace that we are saved and not by works...otherwise grace would no longer be "grace".  (Romans 11:6)  Jesus was born to die for our sins so that we would not have to. Three days after His death, He rose from the grave (Romans 4:25), proving Himself victorious over death. He bridged the gap between God and man so that we may have a personal relationship with Him if we only believe.   Most people believe in God, even Satan does. But to receive salvation, we must turn to God, form a personal relationship, turn away from our sins, and follow Him. We must trust in Jesus with everything we have and everything we do. "This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.  (Romans 3:22). The Bible teaches that there is no other way to salvation than through Christ. Jesus says in John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."  Jesus is the ONLY way of salvation because He is the only One who can pay our sin penalty (Romans 6:23). Jesus had to be God so that He could pay our debt. Jesus had to be man so He could die. Salvation is available only through faith in Jesus Christ! “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).                                                                                                                                            IMO,  there is a Day of Judgement coming for EVERYONE, God will judge every one at that time.  He will know exactly what has been in each person's heart, He knows each person's every thought....He will know every action one ever made.  He will know exactly how many times one heard "the message of Christ" and ignored it.  He will also know those that never heard the message of Christ (and what happens there I'm not certain but I know He will be fair & just).  He will know every motive, there will be no hiding anything from Him.  I also kind of think satan will be there "reminding" God of every awful thing a person has done and he will be having a joyful time laying claim to the souls that belong to him.  (In my opinion, Judgment Day will be a day when time is UP...GAME OVER and God & Satan will "divide up" what belongs to them.   Those that aren't covered by the blood of Christ, those that never wanted to give God a second thought, those that were deceived by satan will now be officially "given" to satan (they now officially belong to satan, God is done wasting His time on them)  and  they all will be spending eternity in hell and as powerful as satan is...I think one can bet that he will "reign" there.  ALL of his evil-ness (most of which the average human has been unaware of while their time on earth) will be "unleashed".  He is the total opposite of God and as glorious as God is...I think will be as horrendous as a angry Satan would be. (I don't believe satan will be happy in hell, I think his wrath will be poured out for an eternity on all those who go there with him.) Those that had a personal relationship with Christ, those that are covered by His blood have been forgiven...they are the souls that Satan could NEVER have as they belong to God.  He will take them and go on to reign with them in heaven.  I don't believe there is anything on earth worth missing Heaven for.  I think a person should live their life to make SURE they don't end up in hell someday because the path to heaven IS narrow and it is FEW that find it.  (There is NOTHING in the Bible that says a child molester cannot be forgiven if they repent and change their ways.  There is nothing in the Bible that says certain races, tribes or religious denominations will be excluded from heaven.  I believe there will be a mix including some of every race, tribe and religious denomination both in heaven and in hell.  I also think there will be a mix of people that accomplished great things during their time on earth in both heaven and hell.)  It isn't about who or what we are, or what great things we have accomplished...ultimately, it's about who our hearts belong to.   :heart:



A lot of things seem good in this post except this sentence "Jesus had to be God so that He could pay our debt."
ompletely erroneous, priests back in the time of the israelites paid for the nations sins by animal sacrifice, Jesus as the lamb of God just happens to be a better sacrifice and last eternally nothing more, nothing less.  Also the biggest paradox for the christian is how can a perfect man die when his reward for being perfectly obedient was immortality or eternal life. I beleive Jesus died for our sins but it's still a paradox, not to mention if Jesus was in God nature on earth or at least kept some of it, not only can he not die(because God can't stop living otherwise he wouldn't be immortal), but his sacrifice wouldn't have been an equal ransom, Adam who sinned for mankind was a perfect man not perfect God and perfect man, or Very man/very God etc.


Animal sacrifices were a type of prophesy.A shadow of Christ's Sacrifice to come.They did nothing to actually forgive sins,but was done as an act of obedience.  

Jesus is completely God in human form.He voluntarily veiled His Deity,but did not divest Himself of it.  

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