To the Christian who thinks only those who accept Christ will go to heaven....

[amyrouse]

ok well it is clear by a certain some one christianity is the way to go and the supreme law of the land, and i and and anyone else thinking otherwise is nothing more then devel worshipers who sacrifice children.  

Are you Wiccan? The beauty of religious faiths is there always a person who came from X believe or faith. I know a Jehovah's witness who is an ex Wiccan, catholic, pentecost etc. I'm going to ask the Ex Wiccan some questions to see if I can understand your "mental framework", I watched the craft 8 years ago however 0_0.

I have a question for people who believe in salvation through faith and not good works or both like it should be  !!!

If you believe in Jesus and still unrepentendly have sex and kids out of wedlock, kill, run slavery rings will you still be saved? Where judged by faith not works right?

Oh, well, watching The Craft makes you an expert on Wicca.  

Having sex and kids without being married is wrong?  Geez...if I wasn't already hellbound, I'd totes be worried, since my husband and I got married when our daughter was 8 months old.  My poor rabbi, since he did her naming ceremony two months before we got married and actually performed the marriage ceremony.

Judgment comes in all forms.  Be careful what you say, lest you offend.


For those concerned about works vs. faith:

Try googling the Noachide laws.

[travislang]

yes it was wrong i think but i got shuned for joining the army

[Falconer02]

yes it was wrong i think but i got shuned for joining the army

Mr. Travis, it is wrong. Why? Let's just say that you made the right choice in wanting to serve your country and potentially save people's lives versus staying with a group that does absolutely nothing for this land but go around annoying people on saturday/sunday mornings. I salute you, good sir.

Just remember-- JW's think war is completely wrong and that they shouldn't serve in any military. Little do they realize is that their little religion would have never existed if it wasn't for a specific war that granted us religious freedom.

[travislang]

falcon

yes i do realize this....but i was laid off work, lost my house, my car, couldnt take care of my wife, jehovah witnesses just told me to pray, but that wasnt paying bills. i had no education, but high school, fresh out of high school. so i did talk to a recruiter to see options, they promised me a steady paycheck, a house and free health insurance, so yes i took it and did 7 years 3 years in iraq, 3 years in germany, 1 year here.....i am proud that i did, my family refuses to talk to me to this day for it, and not wanting to try to go back to the religion....and that i found my own beliefs and my own way(pagan)...which is also a big no-no in jehovah witnesses.....

[dexterjrh]

JESUS said---" I am the way, the truth and the light, NO ONE cometh to the FATHER EXCEPT BY ME!! "

Hey it is your choice to believe OR NOT to believe in the God of the BIBLE, the creator of Heaven and Earth. It is also your choice to BELIEVE or NOT to believe that He sent His son Jesus Christ to earth to die and pay the price for you and your sins, and that He rose from the dead on the third day, and is now seated at the right hand of THE FATHER God.-----I pray that you make the right choice.

Well said Amen

[teflonfanatic]

falcon

yes i do realize this....but i was laid off work, lost my house, my car, couldnt take care of my wife, jehovah witnesses just told me to pray, but that wasnt paying bills. i had no education, but high school, fresh out of high school. so i did talk to a recruiter to see options, they promised me a steady paycheck, a house and free health insurance, so yes i took it and did 7 years 3 years in iraq, 3 years in germany, 1 year here.....i am proud that i did, my family refuses to talk to me to this day for it, and not wanting to try to go back to the religion....and that i found my own beliefs and my own way(pagan)...which is also a big no-no in jehovah witnesses.....

Your family and the JW's refuse to talk to you because you either directly killed for the Government or aided in directly killing for the Government. But right now you don't feel like trying to go back for now.

[Falconer02]

yes i do realize this....but i was laid off work, lost my house, my car, couldnt take care of my wife, jehovah witnesses just told me to pray, but that wasnt paying bills. i had no education, but high school, fresh out of high school. so i did talk to a recruiter to see options, they promised me a steady paycheck, a house and free health insurance, so yes i took it and did 7 years 3 years in iraq, 3 years in germany, 1 year here.....i am proud that i did, my family refuses to talk to me to this day for it, and not wanting to try to go back to the religion....and that i found my own beliefs and my own way(pagan)...which is also a big no-no in jehovah witnesses.....

I'm honestly very glad it worked out for you. And I know it's difficult, but don't take your family's "shunning" too personally. It's nothing more than a bullying technique employed by a high-controlling belief system. Hopefully one day they'll wise up and realize what they're doing. I was lucky enough to be given the choice to leave when I was 15-16. My parents disassociated themselves a few years back for various reasons. Glad they did.

Your family and the JW's refuse to talk to you because you either directly killed for the Government or aided in directly killing for the Government.

With this reasoning, Over 20% of your taxes fund this too. Unless the JW's put their money where their mouth is and become something akin to the Amish, the hypocrisy is staggering.

[shernajwine]

ok well it is clear by a certain some one christianity is the way to go and the supreme law of the land, and i and and anyone else thinking otherwise is nothing more then devel worshipers who sacrifice children. 

This is how I know you are not really reading posts. Either that or you are not comprehending them. Because those words with that meaning were typed by me. I used those things as an example to turn the tables on you to show you how your comments on the Christianity were coming across.

But if you want to play the victim to feel better, go ahead 

[shernajwine]

yes it was wrong i think but i got shuned for joining the army

Mr. Travis, it is wrong. Why? Let's just say that you made the right choice in wanting to serve your country and potentially save people's lives versus staying with a group that does absolutely nothing for this land but go around annoying people on saturday/sunday mornings. I salute you, good sir.

Just remember-- JW's think war is completely wrong and that they shouldn't serve in any military. Little do they realize is that their little religion would have never existed if it wasn't for a specific war that granted us religious freedom.

That is exactly right! Freedom doesn't come without sacrifices and unfortunately those sacrifices come in the form of people who are willing to put their life on the line to fight for it. I think it is beyond sad that a person would be shunned for wanting to do something so noble. 

[travislang]

yes you are right it isnt free, i lost my family for it, that is the price i paid for it....

yes i did read the posts though, why you seem to continue to think i did not read the post i dont understand, i know that is what you said, so i was simply using your words, not my words.

but clearly you dont read the posts though, unless you just dont wanna exept my sencere apoligies for the way i was talking.....if you dont wanna accept it is fine with me but could atleast let me know....

[shernajwine]

yes you are right it isnt free, i lost my family for it, that is the price i paid for it....

yes i did read the posts though, why you seem to continue to think i did not read the post i dont understand, i know that is what you said, so i was simply using your words, not my words.

but clearly you dont read the posts though, unless you just dont wanna exept my sencere apoligies for the way i was talking.....if you dont wanna accept it is fine with me but could atleast let me know....

I accept your apology. It's hard to consider it sincere when you followed it up with another comment about how horrible my religion is and tried to say you weren't trying to bash it. But it doesn't matter to me really. Plenty of ugly generalized comments about my religion and people that believe in God have been made and continue to be made. I was only trying to point out that you wouldn't appreciate it if I, or anyone else, made generalized ugly comments about your religion or beliefs.

So apology accepted. This is a forum of public speech so say whatever you want about whoever you want, you are perfectly within your rights to do so. I apologize to you, if you misunderstood my words as insulting to your beliefs. I don't agree with your beliefs but it wasn't my intent or purpose to insult you. 

[travislang]

well although that is true, i also have the right to remain silent, so i am pleading the 5th and getting out of here before i do make some serious damages.   again i am sorry for what i have said in here, did not intend to upset anyone or bash anyone. i can see i did just that, so i can say bye now, and you wont here from me again. not on here and on this subject anyway

[shernajwine]

well although that is true, i also have the right to remain silent, so i am pleading the 5th and getting out of here before i do make some serious damages.   again i am sorry for what i have said in here, did not intend to upset anyone or bash anyone. i can see i did just that, so i can say bye now, and you wont here from me again. not on here and on this subject anyway

Please don't plead the 5th because of me. All ideas and discussions are welcome in this forum from all different points of view. If the only people in here were Christian and agreed with everything I said, it would be rather dull. On top of the fact that I welcome the challenge to search out what I believe to be true. Being in this forum has pushed me to learn some things that I never knew before. Thank God for queenofnines and Falconer and walksalone, jordandog, amyrouse, and a few others who have come and gone that are not Christian and have challenged me on what I have always thought to be truth.

So be silent if you wish, but even in disagreeing we can benefit each other. All I ask for is respectful and civil dialog.

[teflonfanatic]

yes i do realize this....but i was laid off work, lost my house, my car, couldnt take care of my wife, jehovah witnesses just told me to pray, but that wasnt paying bills. i had no education, but high school, fresh out of high school. so i did talk to a recruiter to see options, they promised me a steady paycheck, a house and free health insurance, so yes i took it and did 7 years 3 years in iraq, 3 years in germany, 1 year here.....i am proud that i did, my family refuses to talk to me to this day for it, and not wanting to try to go back to the religion....and that i found my own beliefs and my own way(pagan)...which is also a big no-no in jehovah witnesses.....

I'm honestly very glad it worked out for you. And I know it's difficult, but don't take your family's "shunning" too personally. It's nothing more than a bullying technique employed by a high-controlling belief system. Hopefully one day they'll wise up and realize what they're doing. I was lucky enough to be given the choice to leave when I was 15-16. My parents disassociated themselves a few years back for various reasons. Glad they did.

Your family and the JW's refuse to talk to you because you either directly killed for the Government or aided in directly killing for the Government.

With this reasoning, Over 20% of your taxes fund this too. Unless the JW's put their money where their mouth is and become something akin to the Amish, the hypocrisy is staggering.

Jesus and his family and the early christians paid taxes, so that's why they pay taxes too, are you calling Jesus a hypocrite? If so i'm srry you feel that way.

[teflonfanatic]

yes it was wrong i think but i got shuned for joining the army

Mr. Travis, it is wrong. Why? Let's just say that you made the right choice in wanting to serve your country and potentially save people's lives versus staying with a group that does absolutely nothing for this land but go around annoying people on saturday/sunday mornings. I salute you, good sir.

Just remember-- JW's think war is completely wrong and that they shouldn't serve in any military. Little do they realize is that their little religion would have never existed if it wasn't for a specific war that granted us religious freedom.

That is exactly right! Freedom doesn't come without sacrifices and unfortunately those sacrifices come in the form of people who are willing to put their life on the line to fight for it. I think it is beyond sad that a person would be shunned for wanting to do something so noble.  

Did Jesus think it was Noble or even condoned it?

Matthew 26:48-54 reads 48 Now his betrayer had given them a sign, saying: “Whoever it is I kiss, this is he; take him into custody.” 49 And going straight up to Jesus he said: “Good day, Rabbi!” and kissed him very tenderly. 50 But Jesus said to him: “Fellow, for what purpose are you present?” Then they came forward and laid hands on Jesus and took him into custody. 51 But, look! one of those with Jesus reached out his hand and drew his sword and struck the slave of the high priest and took off his ear. 52 Then Jesus said to him: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father to supply me at this moment more than twelve legions of angels? 54 In that case, how would the Scriptures be fulfilled that it must take place this way?”

We learned three things here.

1. Jesus didn't want his followers to fight on his behalf
2. Jesus had great power at his disposal but didn't use it to kill and only if the father grants it or let's him(appeal)
3. Jesus asked how would the scriptures by fulfilled, meaning it goes against the fulfillment of scripture.

P.S. If your not fighting for God or Jesus your fighting for someone else either way it's unscriptural.
P.S.S It's true everyone benefits off the GOV's but when it contradicts scripture that's when I side with God's kingdom(or government).