A 2yr old dies because parents relied on prayer alone

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Quote from: JessC2321 on February 09, 2011, 08:25:23 pm
Don't waste your time with queenofnines. All she wants to do is put religion down.

Quote from: Queenofnines:
That is some big talk for a newbie.  Being that you only have 34 posts under your belt, I don't think you have the right to be throwing around incorrect judgments about people on here.


Whether someone has done 2 posts, 34 posts, or 1,000 posts, it just shows that JessC has already seen your true reaction/reflection toward God or Christians who believe in and trust God.  She is actually right about you when it comes to religion/God.

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I agree that this would be the severest punishment for normal parents, but these people let this happen to their child!! They deserve to suffer waaaay more IMO.

It's true that they have to deal with the loss of their child, but I do agree with you, too, that their child's life may have been saved if they had gone to the ER, doctor, clinic, etc. in the first place.  I do wonder if it has taught them anything and if they will see how important it is to have their other children checked by doctors and use the medication that the doctors prescribe for them.

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True faith requires action.

But that is only your opinion, mstach, not the actual definition of the word.  I'm just sayin'.

The following definition of "faith" comes from Merriam Webster Dictionary:

"Definition of FAITH
1a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
 
2a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust

3: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith> "

The next set comes from Dictionary.com:

1.  strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp without proof or evidence 
2.  a specific system of religious beliefs: the Jewish faith   
3.  Christianity  trust in God and in his actions and promises 
4.  a conviction of the truth of certain doctrines of religion, esp when this is not based on reason 
5.  complete confidence or trust in a person, remedy, etc 
6.  any set of firmly held principles or beliefs 
7.  allegiance or loyalty, as to a person or cause (esp in the phrases keep faith , break faith ) 
8.  bad faith  insincerity or dishonesty 
9.  good faith  honesty or sincerity, as of intention in business (esp in the phrase in good faith ) 


Faith as a transitive verb means to believe or trust.

[Annella]

That is some big talk for a newbie.  Being that you only have 34 posts under your belt, I don't think you have the right to be throwing around incorrect judgments about people on here.

:Shrug: I calls 'em like I sees 'em, sweetie.

Been to the Middle East lately?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ImMtHrrKo

I watched that whole video and it was annoying. Only because the girl was incredibly annoying. I couldn't take her seriously. I'll acknowledge that people dying for their religion makes me incredibly sad. Because religion is supposed to be about love or that's what I'd like to believe. As for the money and the pledge of allegiance I could care less. It could say "In queenofnines we trust" and "under queenofnines" I really am curious as to why that bothers athiests so much? If it doesn't exist then who cares? Money's money. And words are just words.  

What happened that made you a sheep?

Yeah, I'm a sheep. Hun, we're all sheep. You're a sheep too Sorry, but it's true. I dunno what part of my sheepiness you're trying to point out since I stated that I didn't know yet if I was religious or not. You're an athiest sheep. And some people are religious sheep. But we're all sheep in one way or another.

I just don't understand why you like to say things like "That's stupid christian faith talking" and "Skydaddy" to belittle people. You just sound like you're ranting and raving and you're not getting your point across very well.

They may be a newbie, but they have you pegged qon!  

The analysis was right on, and not incorrect at all.  qon likes to "shred" newbies when she can.  Especially anybody who has any belief in God.

Welcome to Fusion Cash JessC2321, have fun and make money too!  I like that you are not intimidated....good job!

[queenofnines]

Definition of FAITH
firm belief in something for which there is no proof

lol  I like how you underlined this jcribb.  I find it funny as hell.

[jcribb16]

Definition of FAITH
firm belief in something for which there is no proof

lol  I like how you underlined this jcribb.  I find it funny as hell.

Should I lol back?  You may not find it that funny one day.

[Falconer02]

Should I lol back?  You may not find it that funny one day.

The evidence in reality and the lack of evidence in mythology is efficient enough that you should be able to lol. Commence the loling!

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Should I lol back?  You may not find it that funny one day.

The evidence in reality and the lack of evidence in mythology is efficient enough that you should be able to lol. Commence the loling!

Falconer, I repeat to you as well: Should I lol back?  You may not find it that funny one day.

[Falconer02]

Falconer, I repeat to you as well: Should I lol back?  You may not find it that funny one day.

If I get reincarnated as an male angler fish or praying mantis, you're completely right that I won't be. I'll be quite pissed!

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Falconer, I repeat to you as well: Should I lol back?  You may not find it that funny one day.

If I get reincarnated as an male angler fish or praying mantis, you're completely right that I won't be. I'll be quite pissed!

All I can say to that is: Folks, here is sarcasm at its best.

[Falconer02]

No, I'm serious. That would suck! Just like faith healing and what happened to this 2 yr old. Getting back on topic, it's times like this that people should call up their congressman and tell them that these types of stories should be stricken with harsh punishment. Make an example of this couple and send them to prison. I don't care if they're 'upstanding citizens', they let a kid die. This is FAR beyond the line of religious acceptance/tolerance. If they get locked away, I'd hope that the other horrific and dangerous nutjobs out there would hear of it so this dangerously superstitious line of thinking would finally disappear. That's really awful and it makes me angry to no end. Stupid stupid people...

What do you think? Do you think they deserve a more severe punishment?

*folds arms*
Break the rat husbands arms and legs with a baseball bat and tell him to go faith heal it.  

[Cuppycake]

Obviously not.

Where was their common sense then?

Only gullible people believe in any religious bs. Things like this are to be expected from people that will believe anything.

[teflonfanatic]

Obviously not.

Where was their common sense then?

That's why I said that the upper christian scientists need to be punished because they took the woman's commonsense and do this to more and more people, go for the big fish not the small fish unless the small fish leads to the big fish.

[tommygun2]

I heard of that kind of religion. It's terrible.

[footemama]

I agree with those that said that it won't be right to take children away from otherwise good parents. Aside from the medical care aspect these children sound like they are well cared for and "the system" would only split them up and essentially destroy their family.

With that said I think that the death of their child and being forced to take the other children in for well-visits and making sure that they are being taken for sick visits is enough. It protects the other children until they are old enough to choose for themselves whether they wish to follow these religious rules.

I'll play devils advocate here: If he really did only have congestion, a cough, etc. was eating and drinking fine it could have happened to anyone, including someone who DOES take their children in for well-visits. In my experience whenever I call the Dr office and give a list of symptoms and tell them I am concerned the response that I get 9 times out of 10 is sounds like a virus it will just have to run it's course. If I was REALLY worried we would be in the ER and if it continued for a week or so then he would be going to the Dr regardless of what they told me on the phone. BUT it could happen especially for something like meningitis.....we are trained into the sit and wait mode and then parents get slammed by something that can become fatal quickly.