A 2yr old dies because parents relied on prayer alone

[mrstina08]

I really do feel that they deserve more of a punishment. People dont realize that Yes God want us to have faith, trust in him etc. He also want us to have common sense about the things that we can use right here on earth. How sad. To God be the Glory. Thats all I can say right now.

[mstachitus]

Faith requires action to actually truly be faith.

No, the definition of faith is believing for no good reason.  Action does not come into it at all.

That is completely incorrect,  Sorry.  True faith requires action.  Many religious people do not view it that way, though; hence the tragedy we are discussing.

[JessC2321]

Faith requires action to actually truly be faith.

No, the definition of faith is believing for no good reason.  Action does not come into it at all.

That is completely incorrect,  Sorry.  True faith requires action.  Many religious people do not view it that way, though; hence the tragedy we are discussing.

Don't waste your time with queenofnines. All she wants to do is put religion down. Am I religious? I don't know I haven't figured that out yet. But I don't go around putting other peoples beliefs down. Believe what you want but why go around attacking everyone at any mention of religion or God? What happened to you that made you so bitter and hateful?

As for the parents...how disgusting. Religious or not...get your kid some help! This is so sad...I can't imagine losing one so young.

[queenofnines]

True faith requires action.

But that is only your opinion, mstach, not the actual definition of the word.  I'm just sayin'.

[queenofnines]

Don't waste your time with queenofnines. All she wants to do is put religion down.

That is some big talk for a newbie.  Being that you only have 34 posts under your belt, I don't think you have the right to be throwing around incorrect judgments about people on here.

why go around attacking everyone at any mention of religion or God?

Been to the Middle East lately?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ImMtHrrKo

What happened to you that made you so bitter and hateful?

What happened that made you a sheep?

[Willie353]

I believe in God and prayer but this is rediculous.. It is fine to pray but medical help shpould be sought too. The parents could be held liable by law

[mstachitus]

True faith requires action.

But that is only your opinion, mstach, not the actual definition of the word.  I'm just sayin'.

That is reasonable.  Everything anyone posts on here is opinion, however.

[sflynt]

They let their child die.... This is sickening...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110202/ap_on_re_us/us_prayer_death_toddler

PHILADELPHIA – A fundamentalist Christian couple who relied on prayer to cure their dying toddler must take their remaining children for medical check-ups as part of their sentence in the boy's death, a judge ruled Wednesday.

Herbert and Catherine Schaible, who belong to First Century Gospel Church in Philadelphia, were previously convicted of involuntary manslaughter and child endangerment in the pneumonia death of their 2-year-old son Kent.

Common Pleas Court Judge Carolyn Engel Temin said that, as adults, the couple is entitled to follow church teachings shunning medicine, which is seen as a lack of faith in God.

But the law says parents may not make that decision for their children.

"The welfare of the child is more important than the religious freedom of the parents," Temin said.

Defense lawyers had argued the Schaibles did not know how sick Kent was before his death in January 2009. The boy's symptoms had included coughing, congestion, crankiness and a loss of appetite, but the parents said he was eating and drinking until the last day, and they thought he was improving.

Speaking in court, Herbert Schaible asked the judge for leniency to allow the couple to support their family.

"We are grieving and will always feel the loss of our son," Schaible said. "With God's help, this will never happen again."

Temin sentenced them to 10 years of probation, during which they are required to seek routine and emergency medical care for their seven children, ages 1 through 15.

Schaible declined comment after the hearing, except to say that they would follow the judge's order.

Temin said she wrestled with the sentence, noting that prison would not address the problem or serve the needs of society. Both parents have been described as upstanding citizens and pillars of their community, Temin said.

Herbert Schaible teaches school at the church while his wife stays at home. Both are the eldest of nine children in families who belong to the church as well, the judge said.

The Schaibles have never had medical care, except for a midwife who attends home births, according to pastor Nelson A. Clark. He said the congregation has about 500 members.

Experts say about a dozen U.S. children die in faith-healing cases each year.


What do you think? Do you think they deserve a more severe punishment?

Well, I do.

 Apparently they weren't praying for wisdom also.

As for the more severe punishment they already are receiving the severest punishment a parent can ever receive. The loss of their child.

I agree that this would be the severest punishment for normal parents, but these people let this happen to their child!! They deserve to suffer waaaay more IMO.

[JessC2321]

That is some big talk for a newbie.  Being that you only have 34 posts under your belt, I don't think you have the right to be throwing around incorrect judgments about people on here.

:Shrug: I calls 'em like I sees 'em, sweetie.

Been to the Middle East lately?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ImMtHrrKo

I watched that whole video and it was annoying. Only because the girl was incredibly annoying. I couldn't take her seriously. I'll acknowledge that people dying for their religion makes me incredibly sad. Because religion is supposed to be about love or that's what I'd like to believe. As for the money and the pledge of allegiance I could care less. It could say "In queenofnines we trust" and "under queenofnines" I really am curious as to why that bothers athiests so much? If it doesn't exist then who cares? Money's money. And words are just words. 

What happened that made you a sheep?

Yeah, I'm a sheep. Hun, we're all sheep. You're a sheep too Sorry, but it's true. I dunno what part of my sheepiness you're trying to point out since I stated that I didn't know yet if I was religious or not. You're an athiest sheep. And some people are religious sheep. But we're all sheep in one way or another.

I just don't understand why you like to say things like "That's stupid christian faith talking" and "Skydaddy" to belittle people. You just sound like you're ranting and raving and you're not getting your point across very well.

[Cuppycake]

God helps those who help themselves

Which is the cop-out excuse Christians give when they know their sh*t is bananas.

Interesting how both atheists and Christians will statistically have the same chance of success/failure when it comes to seeking medical care.

Indeed! Religious bullshit is all it is !

[cubarican210]

That is so sad and I can't believe I didn't see this on the news. I'm from Philadelphia myself. I believe in God and I pray but that's what Doctors are there for to take care of sick people. That's why God made everyone different and gave them a talent. For a doctor it's to help save a life. As to why these people didn't take their child to the emergency room is beyond me. That is crazy.

[teflonfanatic]

They let their child die.... This is sickening...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110202/ap_on_re_us/us_prayer_death_toddler

PHILADELPHIA – A fundamentalist Christian couple who relied on prayer to cure their dying toddler must take their remaining children for medical check-ups as part of their sentence in the boy's death, a judge ruled Wednesday.

Herbert and Catherine Schaible, who belong to First Century Gospel Church in Philadelphia, were previously convicted of involuntary manslaughter and child endangerment in the pneumonia death of their 2-year-old son Kent.

Common Pleas Court Judge Carolyn Engel Temin said that, as adults, the couple is entitled to follow church teachings shunning medicine, which is seen as a lack of faith in God.

But the law says parents may not make that decision for their children.

"The welfare of the child is more important than the religious freedom of the parents," Temin said.

Defense lawyers had argued the Schaibles did not know how sick Kent was before his death in January 2009. The boy's symptoms had included coughing, congestion, crankiness and a loss of appetite, but the parents said he was eating and drinking until the last day, and they thought he was improving.

Speaking in court, Herbert Schaible asked the judge for leniency to allow the couple to support their family.

"We are grieving and will always feel the loss of our son," Schaible said. "With God's help, this will never happen again."

Temin sentenced them to 10 years of probation, during which they are required to seek routine and emergency medical care for their seven children, ages 1 through 15.

Schaible declined comment after the hearing, except to say that they would follow the judge's order.

Temin said she wrestled with the sentence, noting that prison would not address the problem or serve the needs of society. Both parents have been described as upstanding citizens and pillars of their community, Temin said.

Herbert Schaible teaches school at the church while his wife stays at home. Both are the eldest of nine children in families who belong to the church as well, the judge said.

The Schaibles have never had medical care, except for a midwife who attends home births, according to pastor Nelson A. Clark. He said the congregation has about 500 members.

Experts say about a dozen U.S. children die in faith-healing cases each year.


What do you think? Do you think they deserve a more severe punishment?

Well, I do.

I believe this group is known as Christian science, the upper Christian scientists need to be punished not the ones who are being thought this.

[sflynt]

I believe this group is known as Christian science, the upper Christian scientists need to be punished not the ones who are being thought this.

^^ wait.. what??

Those parents deserve to be strung up by their toes and beat relentlessly... then beat some more! (IMO)

But yeah, I see what you're saying.. I just feel that they all should be punished.

Punish them all!!

[lucylaw]

I believe in Jesus and our father God. Prayer is a powerful thing and miracles do happen however, there does need to be some common sense used. After all God gave that to us as well !!!!

[sflynt]

Obviously not.

Where was their common sense then?