The thread for those who don't know the trinity.

[teflonfanatic]

I'll represent both believers and atheists who want to get an accurate description of the trinity if possible. I'll make a statement or two then i'll ask a question, i'll respond to the one who gives the first sufficient answer meaning it's not just a bunch of stitched scriptures or one word statements but explaining WHY

Anyway my first question is about the Athanasian creed is there statement 100% accurate of todays trinity?

 "there are three divine Persons (the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost), each said to be eternal, each said to be almighty, nonr greater or less then another, each said to be God, and yet together being but one God."

[jcribb16]

It's not literally spoken of as "trinity" in the Bible, but it is believed that they are as three in one:  God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit (some people say Ghost.) Each one represents their own identity and yet they are one and the same. 

God the Father is over all and has always been (and was more prominent in the Old Testament.)  Jesus was born and became more prominent in the New Testament until His death, burial, and resurrection.  He in now at the right hand of God in Heaven and is our Intercessor between us and God. In the New Testament the Holy Spirit is spoken of as being our comforter during the lifetime of Christians until Jesus comes again to rapture us up with Him.

[bonskibon]

I personally do not find it hard to believe at all.  We as humans have a body, spirit, and emotions...sounds like three different parts of the same person to me. 

[mstachitus]

I personally do not find it hard to believe at all.  We as humans have a body, spirit, and emotions...sounds like three different parts of the same person to me. 

How often do your body and spirit talk to each other, and how often does your spirit and emotions separate, one becoming mortal, and the other immortal?

I don't want to tarnish anyone's beliefs, but the Trinity doctrine is confusing at best, blasphemous at worst.

[bonskibon]

I personally do not find it hard to believe at all.  We as humans have a body, spirit, and emotions...sounds like three different parts of the same person to me.  

How often do your body and spirit talk to each other, and how often does your spirit and emotions separate, one becoming mortal, and the other immortal?

I don't want to tarnish anyone's beliefs, but the Trinity doctrine is confusing at best, blasphemous at worst.

I find your remarks very offense because you personally quoted my text.  You don't even know where I stand to make such a harsh statement.

[bonskibon]

I'm done with this thread.

[mstachitus]

Sorry you feel that way.  I don't know you or your views, nor was I trying to target you.  I merely used your example.  I wont quote you next time 

[teflonfanatic]

It's not literally spoken of as "trinity" in the Bible, but it is believed that they are as three in one:  God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit (some people say Ghost.) Each one represents their own identity and yet they are one and the same. 

God the Father is over all and has always been (and was more prominent in the Old Testament.)  Jesus was born and became more prominent in the New Testament until His death, burial, and resurrection.  He in now at the right hand of God in Heaven and is our Intercessor between us and God. In the New Testament the Holy Spirit is spoken of as being our comforter during the lifetime of Christians until Jesus comes again to rapture us up with Him.

I would like to ask you why do some say Ghost and other say spirit?

[mstachitus]

That is an interesting question, actually.  Ghost and Spirit are both used in the Bible, but I'm not sure about the significance of either term, or why both are used interchangeably.  Ghost is only used in connection of the Holy Ghost, which is the third member of the Godhead, while spirit is used to describe many things, including the Holy Ghost.

[Annella]

I personally do not find it hard to believe at all.  We as humans have a body, spirit, and emotions...sounds like three different parts of the same person to me.  

How often do your body and spirit talk to each other, and how often does your spirit and emotions separate, one becoming mortal, and the other immortal?

I don't want to tarnish anyone's beliefs, but the Trinity doctrine is confusing at best, blasphemous at worst.

I find your remarks very offense because you personally quoted my text.  You don't even know where I stand to make such a harsh statement.

Bonskibon, why are you getting upset?  Mstachitus was actually agreeing with you.  The post was..."the trinity doctrine is confusing at best".  Your post was a Oneness post, and mstachitus post was in agreement, if you would have read it in it's proper context.

This is a Debate and Discussion thread and up for either.

[jcribb16]

It is only the King James Version of the Bible which uses the term “Holy Ghost.” It occurs 90 times in the KJV. The term “Holy Spirit” occurs 7 times in the KJV. There is no clear reason as to why the KJV translators used Ghost in most places and then Spirit in a few. The exact same Greek and Hebrew words are translated "ghost" and "spirit" in the KJV in different occurrences of the words. By "ghost," the KJV translators did not intend to communicate the idea of "the spirit of a deceased person." In 1611, when the KJV was originally translated, the word "ghost" primarily referred to "an immaterial being."
(Courtesy of GotQuestions.org)
That was a good question.

[teflonfanatic]

It is only the King James Version of the Bible which uses the term “Holy Ghost.” It occurs 90 times in the KJV. The term “Holy Spirit” occurs 7 times in the KJV. There is no clear reason as to why the KJV translators used Ghost in most places and then Spirit in a few. The exact same Greek and Hebrew words are translated "ghost" and "spirit" in the KJV in different occurrences of the words. By "ghost," the KJV translators did not intend to communicate the idea of "the spirit of a deceased person." In 1611, when the KJV was originally translated, the word "ghost" primarily referred to "an immaterial being."
(Courtesy of GotQuestions.org)
That was a good question.

I don't think it's playing with text to translate it either way, I think people have their own personal opinions of the words, when I see spirit I think formless energy like how spirit is really translated as wind(hebrew word for it is Ruach I forgot the Greek), when I hear the word ghost casper and the gang pops up lol. I guess the same can be said of spirit though either way it's probably irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Anyway my next question is why is the Godhead exclusive to three persons(Jah, Jesus and spirit with no name) and if so why is the divine nature shared?(2 Peter 1:1-4)

[jcribb16]

Quote from teflonfanatic:
Anyway my next question is why is the Godhead exclusive to three persons(Jah, Jesus and spirit with no name) and if so why is the divine nature shared?(2 Peter 1:1-4)
 
 
 There is so much to be given in the answers you want, so I'm going to include a link for you that helps to understand the Trinity.  I hope this helps:
http://biggergod.com/trinity.html

[teflonfanatic]

Quote from teflonfanatic:
Anyway my next question is why is the Godhead exclusive to three persons(Jah, Jesus and spirit with no name) and if so why is the divine nature shared?(2 Peter 1:1-4)
 
  
 There is so much to be given in the answers you want, so I'm going to include a link for you that helps to understand the Trinity.  I hope this helps:
http://biggergod.com/trinity.html

Thank you and i'll read it but the point of this thread is for churchgoers here to accurately explain it to both atheists(who i'm not) and believers who reject the trinity(which I am and believe me there's many).  I've watched many debates and read many pages about the trinity both for and against. I need one question answered at a time and not 20+ questions answered at once. Anyway the questions still stands.

I just speed read the article basically if you have three computers who are all fully computers and they are different from each other they are not three computers because the three computers are so connected to each other it's as if it's one. That's the only way I can understand the link except God is not a computer of course.  The problem with this is it's Never one in any real since to me. anyway I digress srry if I can't accept the "mystery"

[jcribb16]

Well, in each of my posts in your thread, I have tried my best to explain it the best I could.  I included the link as well, that is excellent in explaining the trinity.  I tried to answer your question and I'm really sorry you don't consider my responses as a help (quote by you): "Thank you and i'll read it but the point of this thread is for churchgoers here to accurately explain it to both atheists(who i'm not) and believers who reject the trinity(which I am and believe me there's many).  I've watched many debates and read many pages about the trinity both for and against. I need one question answered at a time and not 20+ questions answered at once. Anyway the questions still stands."

Perhaps if you go back and really read what people are answering to you, including doing your own research, and even speaking with your pastor or reliable source, you will actually find what you are looking for. I spent quite a bit of time checking in the Bible, online, and study books, to make sure that I was answering what I thought you were wanting to know. Even then, I guess I didn't pass the test for you. I don't know how else to answer anymore on this because I already did the best I could. I truly hope and pray you will find the truth about the trinity and not just what you are wanting to see out of it for your own gain.