Do you believe in the afterlife?

[Falconer02]

Well, to say Christians are not intelligent enough to answer the questions is a joke- because I have many times seen questions answered by Christians with eloquence and evidence and STILL had the response of "oh ya what a fairytale" or some other sort of put-down. Also, seeing a church on a corner does not constitute Christians throwing religion in your face- because you can easily KEEP WALKING and not enter the church. No one is forcing you to even acknowledge the church or why it is there. That is like saying that you can't quit gaining weight because everywhere you go you spot a McDonald's...

Eloquence? Definitely. Evidence? Never seen any that could escape the bounds of the Creationist museum. But that's an argument and a half though and I doubt either of us want to go there.

But it's annoying to see a Mcdonald's on every corner as well-- that people are promoting such unhealthy food to make society into a bunch of fatties! lol

Also, if a Christian does come to your door and you say no thank you and they still pressure you- then yes that is a mistake. However, if they knock on the door and offer to talk about God and you say no thank you and they politely leave I do not see how that is throwing it in your face. That is like taking offense to anyone in the world who tries to spread the word about something you do not agree with, even if they are not overbearing in their tactics.

I completely agree. Though I must say I have run into many who attempt to guilt-trip, won't let me say something, or ring the doorbell at 8 AM on a sat/sun. I just find it odd that people think they can just rub their beliefs in so shamelessly and for no decent/rational reason. It isn't about discussion with many of these people, it's practically a scam-art business proposal.

Also, Christianity is a religion based on love, so it is not as if these people are going around trying to spread violence and rounding people up to hurt others or anything like that, and if they are then they are not practicing Christianity in the way it is meant to be practiced.

Wellllll....I could open a long history lesson, but I'm just going to nod here since you seem to be answering 500 posts directed at ya.

Actually, yes that is very rude.  Christians have answered questions - you refuse to accept most answers.  Most of us do not call the askers insulting either.  Anyone can come in and debate/discuss.  However, you are making it sound as if you are the absolute smart one who knows all of the answers and no one else need debate.  

When the answer is clear or has a rational explanation but there are those who refuse to accept the reality of it and direly implore superstitious beliefs, you bet I'm going to be that way if delusional thinking is fogging up the thread. For instance if one says a lens reflection was one of the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse, I (or anyone with any ability to reason within themselves) will refuse corrupted nonsensical explanations.

[jcribb16]

Quote from: jcribb16 on September 09, 2011, 11:26:14 pm
Actually, yes that is very rude.  Christians have answered questions - you refuse to accept most answers.  Most of us do not call the askers insulting either.  Anyone can come in and debate/discuss.  However, you are making it sound as if you are the absolute smart one who knows all of the answers and no one else need debate. 
Quote from Falconer:
When the answer is clear or has a rational explanation but there are those who refuse to accept the reality of it and direly implore superstitious beliefs, you bet I'm going to be that way if delusional thinking is fogging up the thread. For instance if one says a lens reflection was one of the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse, I (or anyone with any ability to reason within themselves) will refuse corrupted nonsensical explanations.

I agree with what you are saying here.  However, most of the "rational" answers that are given are still not accepted because they can't be 100% nailed down factual to your specifications.  You refuse to look at "faith" or "free will" because it muddies the waters, so to speak.

[jcribb16]

How does this make you sad?  If these people are happy with their life working with religious efforts, then that shouldn't even bother you in the least.  You are enjoying your life your way, so let them enjoy life their way.

Really?  I'm dumbfounded that you would ask such a question.

You could stay home and knit for 8 hours a day...and you're correct, that's not so much of a problem if you keep it to yourself.  It's when you go out and try to enforce your knitting into politics, actively hurt and hold society back...then we have a problem.  It isn't just a matter of "to each his own"...religion doesn't mind its own business, that's the issue.

I can't believe you are dumbfounded by that question.  You've got the right to live your life how you see fit with or without religion.  So does everyone else.  Most Christians do not "hold society back" and try to "enforce" their religion on others.  Some do and I agree they go too far.  Those who make spectacles of themselves and Christians, as a whole, make me wonder who it is they actually believe in.  Like I said previously, Christians cannot all be confined to one box.

And back to the other point - to some Christians, it seems as if athiests "hold society back" and try to "enforce" no religion or God, for that matter.  But most mature people know that all athiests are not confined to one box either and there is always one rotten apple in the bunch that makes all athiests look bad.

[Falconer02]

I agree with what you are saying here.  However, most of the "rational" answers that are given are still not accepted because they can't be 100% nailed down factual to your specifications.  You refuse to look at "faith" or "free will" because it muddies the waters, so to speak.

Well they are furthest from rational explanations though because they're always full of massive and obvious holes. Faith is a belief in something that cannot be seen or tested, so it cannot constitute as any real argument for something. And...yeah, there is really no way around the free will vs biblegod argument w/o slamming into Calvinism hard. All you or I have seen are explanations that hover straight over the problem or just the use of the 'god is mysterious and can do whatever he wants' card.

[SurveyMack10]

, just as I suspect

Well, to say Christians are not intelligent enough to answer the questions is a joke- because I have many times seen questions answered by Christians with eloquence and evidence and STILL had the response of "oh ya what a fairytale" or some other sort of put-down. Also, seeing a church on a corner does not constitute Christians throwing religion in your face- because you can easily KEEP WALKING and not enter the church. No one is forcing you to even acknowledge the church or why it is there. That is like saying that you can't quit gaining weight because everywhere you go you spot a McDonald's...

Eloquence? Definitely. Evidence? Never seen any that could escape the bounds of the Creationist museum. But that's an argument and a half though and I doubt either of us want to go there.

But it's annoying to see a Mcdonald's on every corner as well-- that people are promoting such unhealthy food to make society into a bunch of fatties! lol

Also, if a Christian does come to your door and you say no thank you and they still pressure you- then yes that is a mistake. However, if they knock on the door and offer to talk about God and you say no thank you and they politely leave I do not see how that is throwing it in your face. That is like taking offense to anyone in the world who tries to spread the word about something you do not agree with, even if they are not overbearing in their tactics.

I completely agree. Though I must say I have run into many who attempt to guilt-trip, won't let me say something, or ring the doorbell at 8 AM on a sat/sun. I just find it odd that people think they can just rub their beliefs in so shamelessly and for no decent/rational reason. It isn't about discussion with many of these people, it's practically a scam-art business proposal.

Also, Christianity is a religion based on love, so it is not as if these people are going around trying to spread violence and rounding people up to hurt others or anything like that, and if they are then they are not practicing Christianity in the way it is meant to be practiced.

Wellllll....I could open a long history lesson, but I'm just going to nod here since you seem to be answering 500 posts directed at ya.

Actually, yes that is very rude.  Christians have answered questions - you refuse to accept most answers.  Most of us do not call the askers insulting either.  Anyone can come in and debate/discuss.  However, you are making it sound as if you are the absolute smart one who knows all of the answers and no one else need debate.  

When the answer is clear or has a rational explanation but there are those who refuse to accept the reality of it and direly implore superstitious beliefs, you bet I'm going to be that way if delusional thinking is fogging up the thread. For instance if one says a lens reflection was one of the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse, I (or anyone with any ability to reason within themselves) will refuse corrupted nonsensical explanations.

Well McDonald's doesn't make people fat-- people pull into that parking lot and order that food on their own. Just as someone enters or does not enter a church on their own...just because they are there doesn't mean they are forcing something on you. And if Christians came to your door and tried giving you a guilt-trip, then yes they did not go about sharing God's word in the right way, because that can be seen as thinking they are better than you- but not all Christians are that way at all, just as i suspect not all atheists put people down and call them unintelligent like many on this forum.

[SurveyMack10]

How does this make you sad?  If these people are happy with their life working with religious efforts, then that shouldn't even bother you in the least.  You are enjoying your life your way, so let them enjoy life their way.

Really?  I'm dumbfounded that you would ask such a question.

You could stay home and knit for 8 hours a day...and you're correct, that's not so much of a problem if you keep it to yourself.  It's when you go out and try to enforce your knitting into politics, actively hurt and hold society back...then we have a problem.  It isn't just a matter of "to each his own"...religion doesn't mind its own business, that's the issue.

I can't believe you are dumbfounded by that question.  You've got the right to live your life how you see fit with or without religion.  So does everyone else.  Most Christians do not "hold society back" and try to "enforce" their religion on others.  Some do and I agree they go too far.  Those who make spectacles of themselves and Christians, as a whole, make me wonder who it is they actually believe in.  Like I said previously, Christians cannot all be confined to one box.

And back to the other point - to some Christians, it seems as if athiests "hold society back" and try to "enforce" no religion or God, for that matter.  But most mature people know that all athiests are not confined to one box either and there is always one rotten apple in the bunch that makes all athiests look bad.

 

[jcribb16]

, just as I suspect

Well, to say Christians are not intelligent enough to answer the questions is a joke- because I have many times seen questions answered by Christians with eloquence and evidence and STILL had the response of "oh ya what a fairytale" or some other sort of put-down. Also, seeing a church on a corner does not constitute Christians throwing religion in your face- because you can easily KEEP WALKING and not enter the church. No one is forcing you to even acknowledge the church or why it is there. That is like saying that you can't quit gaining weight because everywhere you go you spot a McDonald's...

Eloquence? Definitely. Evidence? Never seen any that could escape the bounds of the Creationist museum. But that's an argument and a half though and I doubt either of us want to go there.

But it's annoying to see a Mcdonald's on every corner as well-- that people are promoting such unhealthy food to make society into a bunch of fatties! lol

Also, if a Christian does come to your door and you say no thank you and they still pressure you- then yes that is a mistake. However, if they knock on the door and offer to talk about God and you say no thank you and they politely leave I do not see how that is throwing it in your face. That is like taking offense to anyone in the world who tries to spread the word about something you do not agree with, even if they are not overbearing in their tactics.

I completely agree. Though I must say I have run into many who attempt to guilt-trip, won't let me say something, or ring the doorbell at 8 AM on a sat/sun. I just find it odd that people think they can just rub their beliefs in so shamelessly and for no decent/rational reason. It isn't about discussion with many of these people, it's practically a scam-art business proposal.

Also, Christianity is a religion based on love, so it is not as if these people are going around trying to spread violence and rounding people up to hurt others or anything like that, and if they are then they are not practicing Christianity in the way it is meant to be practiced.

Wellllll....I could open a long history lesson, but I'm just going to nod here since you seem to be answering 500 posts directed at ya.

Actually, yes that is very rude.  Christians have answered questions - you refuse to accept most answers.  Most of us do not call the askers insulting either.  Anyone can come in and debate/discuss.  However, you are making it sound as if you are the absolute smart one who knows all of the answers and no one else need debate.  

When the answer is clear or has a rational explanation but there are those who refuse to accept the reality of it and direly implore superstitious beliefs, you bet I'm going to be that way if delusional thinking is fogging up the thread. For instance if one says a lens reflection was one of the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse, I (or anyone with any ability to reason within themselves) will refuse corrupted nonsensical explanations.

Well McDonald's doesn't make people fat-- people pull into that parking lot and order that food on their own. Just as someone enters or does not enter a church on their own...just because they are there doesn't mean they are forcing something on you. And if Christians came to your door and tried giving you a guilt-trip, then yes they did not go about sharing God's word in the right way, because that can be seen as thinking they are better than you- but not all Christians are that way at all, just as i suspect not all atheists put people down and call them unintelligent like many on this forum.

I can see we are on the same wave length here! 

[Falconer02]

Well McDonald's doesn't make people fat-- people pull into that parking lot and order that food on their own. Just as someone enters or does not enter a church on their own...just because they are there doesn't mean they are forcing something on you. And if Christians came to your door and tried giving you a guilt-trip, then yes they did not go about sharing God's word in the right way, because that can be seen as thinking they are better than you- but not all Christians are that way at all, just as i suspect not all atheists put people down and call them unintelligent like many on this forum.

Well there are many differences within the example- for instance food is needed to survive and popular religion is not. Promoting fast food on the radio, tv, ads, etc. (religion does all of these too) is, imo, a technical coercion and it definitely aids in getting people to go even when it is unhealthy for society to eat it. It's annoying to people who don't eat Mcdonalds and it's unnecessary and arguably inefficient to go out of our way to avoid it. We could go on and spiral the example, but I do get what you originally meant. Anyway, yeah I'm totally aware that not all christians are like that, but many of them are and I find it odd that other religions/spiritual people are usually quiet and humble about professing whereas this one has this country by the *bleep*.

To your second claim I say it's not like the freethinkers on this forum are going out of there way to type "You're stupid! lol dummy!" (unless the religious are promoting the end of the world, racism, politicians, fearmongering, superstitious lies, etc. and then personally attacking the counter-argumenters like they have many times in the past). We usually call the persons argument unintelligent, delusional, or irrational because, by definition, that's what they are. I understand it does sound mean, but sometimes it's the only way to show the man behind the curtain.

[SurveyMack10]

Well McDonald's doesn't make people fat-- people pull into that parking lot and order that food on their own. Just as someone enters or does not enter a church on their own...just because they are there doesn't mean they are forcing something on you. And if Christians came to your door and tried giving you a guilt-trip, then yes they did not go about sharing God's word in the right way, because that can be seen as thinking they are better than you- but not all Christians are that way at all, just as i suspect not all atheists put people down and call them unintelligent like many on this forum.

Well there are many differences within the example- for instance food is needed to survive and popular religion is not. Promoting fast food on the radio, tv, ads, etc. (religion does all of these too) is, imo, a technical coercion and it definitely aids in getting people to go even when it is unhealthy for society to eat it. It's annoying to people who don't eat Mcdonalds and it's unnecessary and arguably inefficient to go out of our way to avoid it. We could go on and spiral the example, but I do get what you originally meant. Anyway, yeah I'm totally aware that not all christians are like that, but many of them are and I find it odd that other religions/spiritual people are usually quiet and humble about professing whereas this one has this country by the *bleep*.

To your second claim I say it's not like the freethinkers on this forum are going out of there way to type "You're stupid! lol dummy!" (unless the religious are promoting the end of the world, racism, politicians, fearmongering, superstitious lies, etc. and then personally attacking the counter-argumenters like they have many times in the past). We usually call the persons argument unintelligent, delusional, or irrational because, by definition, that's what they are. I understand it does sound mean, but sometimes it's the only way to show the man behind the curtain.

Christians on this forum are NOT "unintelligent, delusional, or irrational  by definition" and if you look back through these posts often, but not always, atheists do call them dumb whe it is totally uncalled for

Again, it is kind of sad that simply seeing a McDonald's bothers you just because you do not eat it- if someone chooses to be unhealthy it does not affect you in any way. Also, not everyone who eats at at McDonalds is unhealthy.

[falcon9]

if someone chooses to be unhealthy it does not affect you in any way. Also, not everyone who eats at at McDonalds is unhealthy.

Seriously? 'Now, the reason obese people are a burden to society, and the medical industry in paticular, is that they are more susceptible to heart attacks, cancer, and diabetes than people who are not overweight. Over sixty-eight BILLION dollars a year are spent on doctor's fees and missed time at work. They are the third largest segment of the population impacting the total cost of health care.'

[Falconer02]

Christians on this forum are NOT "unintelligent, delusional, or irrational  by definition" and if you look back through these posts often, but not always, atheists do call them dumb whe it is totally uncalled for

Like I stated before, not all of them display these traits. But many of them have. We've had such posters arguing that faith healing cures AIDS, constant end-of-the-world promoters, one saying hell is physical and lies at the center of the earth, fearmongering jerks that bash other beliefs and say 'they're taking over slowly!'. Heck, one person told me I was going to hell because I caught him in a philosophical conundrum. Another said I was posessed by a demon because I was being skeptical of her claim. If you don't think these examples fit within the "unintelligent, delusional, or irrational" group, then...umm....I really don't know what to say except 'just another day in D+D'.

if someone chooses to be unhealthy it does not affect you in any way. Also, not everyone who eats at at McDonalds is unhealthy.

Seriously? 'Now, the reason obese people are a burden to society, and the medical industry in paticular, is that they are more susceptible to heart attacks, cancer, and diabetes than people who are not overweight. Over sixty-eight BILLION dollars a year are spent on doctor's fees and missed time at work. They are the third largest segment of the population impacting the total cost of health care.'

This is why I didn't want to get too far into the example since it will get too technical, but good point nonetheless. All religions are just like fast food places-- they say they've got the best burgers, tacos, etc. and they're usually not afraid to get in your face to say they're the one and only. It can taste good, but in the end it's all junk food and it's really not healthy for society when you eat too much of it.

[falcon9]

Christians on this forum are NOT "unintelligent, delusional, or irrational  by definition" and if you look back through these posts often, but not always, atheists do call them dumb whe it is totally uncalled for

Like I stated before, not all of them display these traits. But many of them have. We've had such posters arguing that faith healing cures AIDS, constant end-of-the-world promoters, one saying hell is physical and lies at the center of the earth, fearmongering jerks that bash other beliefs and say 'they're taking over slowly!'. Heck, one person told me I was going to hell because I caught him in a philosophical conundrum. Another said I was posessed by a demon because I was being skeptical of her claim. If you don't think these examples fit within the "unintelligent, delusional, or irrational" group, then...umm....I really don't know what to say except 'just another day in D+D'.

The following parable was not written by me however, it exemplifies an apropo parallel in this context {edited PG version}:

"Kissing Hank's Butt*;
A parable by Rev. Jim Huber:


   This morning there was a knock at my door.   When I answered the door I
found a well groomed, nicely dressed couple.   The man spoke first, saying
"Hi! I'm John, and this is Mary."


MARY:  Hi! We're here to invite you to come kiss Hank's butt* with us.
ME:  Pardon me? What are you talking about? Who is Hank, and why would I
want to kiss his butt*?
JOHN:  If you kiss Hank's butt*, he will give you a million dollars; and if
you don't, he will kick the crap** out of you.
ME:  What is this, some sort of bizarre mob shake-down?
JOHN:  Hank is a billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town.  Hank
owns this town.  He can do what ever he wants and what he wants is to give
you a million dollars, but he can't until you kiss his butt*.
ME:  That doesn't make any sense. Why would ...
MARY: Who are you to question Hank's gift? Don't you want a million
dollars?  Isn t it worth a little kiss on the butt*?
ME:  Well I don't know, even if this is legit and all, but...
JOHN:  Then come kiss Hank's butt* with us.
ME:  Tell me, do you kiss Hank's butt* often?
MARY:  Oh yes, all the time...
ME:  And has he given you a million dollars?
JOHN:   Well no, you don't actually get the money until you leave town.
ME:  So why don't you just leave town now?
MARY:   You can't leave until Hank tells you to or you don't get the
money and he kicks the crap** out of you.
ME:  Do you know anyone who kissed Hank's butt*, left town, and got
the million dollars?
JOHN:    My mother kissed Hank's butt* for years.  She left town last year
and I'm sure she got the money.
ME:  Haven't you talked to her since then?
JOHN:    Of course not, Hank doesn't allow it.
ME:  So what makes you think he will actually give you the money if
you have never talked to anyone who got the money?
MARY:   Well, he gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you will
get a raise; maybe you will win a small lotto; maybe you will just find
a twenty dollar bill on the street.
ME:  What does that got to do with Hank?
JOHN:    Hank has certain ...  connections.
ME:  I'm sorry but this sounds like some sort of bizarre con game.
JOHN:    But it IS a million dollars.  Can you really take the chance? And
remember, if you DON'T kiss Hank's butt* he will kick the crap** of you.
ME:  Maybe if I could see Hank; talk to him and get the details straight
from him...
MARY:   No one sees Hank.  No one talks to Hank.
ME:  Then how do you kiss his butt*?
JOHN:   Sometimes we just blow him a kiss and think of his butt*.  Other
times we kiss Karl's butt*, and he passes it on.
ME:   Who is Karl?
MARY:   A friend of ours and a personal friend of Hank's.  He's the
one who taught us all about kissing Hank's butt*.  All we had to do was
take him out to dinner a few times.
ME:   And you just took his word for it when he said there was a Hank,
that Hank wanted you to kiss his butt* and that Hank would reward you?
JOHN:    Oh no! Karl has got a letter Hank sent him years ago explaining
the whole thing. Here is a copy; see for your self.
  John handed me a photocopy of a handwritten memo on - From the desk of
  Karl - letterhead.  There were eleven items listed:
    1.)  Kiss Hank's butt* and he will give you a million dollars when you
         leave town.
    2.)  Use alcohol in moderation.
    3.)  Kick the crap** out of people who do not believe as you do.
    4.)  Eat right.
    5.)  Hank dictated this list himself.
    6.)  The moon is made of green cheese.
    7.)  Everything Hank says is right.
    8.)  Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.
    9.)  Do not drink alcohol.
    10.)  Eat your hotdogs on buns, no condiments.
    11.)  Kiss Hank's butt* or he will kick the crap** out of you.
ME:  This would appear to be written on Karl's Letterhead.
MARY:  Hank did not have any paper.  Or, a pen.
ME:  I have a hunch that if we checked we would find this is Karl's handwriting.
JOHN:   Of course, Hank dictated it to Karl.
ME:  I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?
MARY:   Not now;  but years ago he would talk to some people.
ME:   I thought you said Hank was a philanthropist. What sort of
philanthropist kicks the crap** out of people just because they are
different?
MARY:  It's what Hank wants and Hank is always right.
ME:   How do you figure that?
MARY:  Item 7 says - Everything Hanks says is right.-  That's good enough
for me!
ME:  Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up.
JOHN (gasping)  No way!  Item 5 says, - Hank dictated this list himself.- Besides,
item 2 says, - Use alcohol in moderation. - Item 4 says, - Eat right.- And
item 8 says, - Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.- Everyone
knows *those* things are right; so the rest must be true, too.
ME:  But 9 says, - Do not drink alcohol - which does not quite go with item 2.
     And 6 says, - The moon is made of green cheese. - which is just plain wrong.
JOHN:  There is no contradiction between 9 and 2.  9 just clarifies 2. As far as
6 goes, you have never been to the moon; so you cannot say for sure.
ME:  Scientists have pretty firmly established that the moon is made of rock.
MARY:  But they do not know if the rock came from the Earth, or from out of
space, so it could just as easily be green cheese.
Me:  I am not really an expert but I think the theory that the Moon came
from the Earth has been discounted.  Besides, not knowing *where* the rock
came from doesn't mean it *could* be green cheese rather than rock.
JOHN:   Aha!  You just admitted that scientists make mistakes, but we know
Hank is always right!
ME:  We do?
MARY:   Of course we do, Item 5 says so.
ME:  So, you're saying that Hank is always right because the list
says so? The list is right because Hank dictated it and we know that Hank
dictated it because the list says that he dictated says so?
JOHN:   Now you're getting it!  It's so rewarding to see someone come around
to Hank's way of thinking.
ME:  But...Oh,  never mind.  What's the deal with the hotdogs?
Mary blushes.
JOHN:   Hotdogs; in buns, no condiments.  It's Hank's way. Anything else
is wrong.
ME:  What if I don't have a bun?
JOHN:   No bun, no weiner.  A weiner without a bun is wrong.
ME:  No relish? No Mustard?
Mary looks positively stricken.
JOHN shouts, "There's no need for such language!  Condiments of any
kind are wrong!"
ME:  So a big pile of sauerkraut with some weiners chopped up in it
would be out of the question?
MARY (sticking her fingers in her ears):   I am not listening to this! 
La la la, la la, la la la.....
JOHN:   That is disgusting. Only some sort of evil deviant would eat that.
ME:  But it's good! I eat it lots of times.
Mary faints.  John catches her.
JOHN:   Well, if I had known you were one of THOSE, I wouldn't have wasted
my time.  When Hank kicks the *bleep* out of you, I want to be there.

John drags Mary to their waiting car and speeds off to another house down the way."
{* - euphemism   ** - another eumphemism}

[SurveyMack10]

if someone chooses to be unhealthy it does not affect you in any way. Also, not everyone who eats at at McDonalds is unhealthy.

Seriously? 'Now, the reason obese people are a burden to society, and the medical industry in paticular, is that they are more susceptible to heart attacks, cancer, and diabetes than people who are not overweight. Over sixty-eight BILLION dollars a year are spent on doctor's fees and missed time at work. They are the third largest segment of the population impacting the total cost of health care.'

I am going to continue to have an intelligent conversation with falconer and opt out of the word games you like to play on every forum- ALSO, if someone wants to spend their money on healthcare instead of dieting that is their free will. Your lifestyle choices do not reflect those of everyone else, and as long as you want that to happen you are going to live a very unsatisfactory life. Great thing about America is that we have freedom. Once again, NOT EVERYONE WHO EATS AT MCDONALDS IS UNHEALTHY.

[SurveyMack10]

Christians on this forum are NOT "unintelligent, delusional, or irrational  by definition" and if you look back through these posts often, but not always, atheists do call them dumb whe it is totally uncalled for

Like I stated before, not all of them display these traits. But many of them have. We've had such posters arguing that faith healing cures AIDS, constant end-of-the-world promoters, one saying hell is physical and lies at the center of the earth, fearmongering jerks that bash other beliefs and say 'they're taking over slowly!'. Heck, one person told me I was going to hell because I caught him in a philosophical conundrum. Another said I was posessed by a demon because I was being skeptical of her claim. If you don't think these examples fit within the "unintelligent, delusional, or irrational" group, then...umm....I really don't know what to say except 'just another day in D+D'.

if someone chooses to be unhealthy it does not affect you in any way. Also, not everyone who eats at at McDonalds is unhealthy.

Seriously? 'Now, the reason obese people are a burden to society, and the medical industry in paticular, is that they are more susceptible to heart attacks, cancer, and diabetes than people who are not overweight. Over sixty-eight BILLION dollars a year are spent on doctor's fees and missed time at work. They are the third largest segment of the population impacting the total cost of health care.'

This is why I didn't want to get too far into the example since it will get too technical, but good point nonetheless. All religions are just like fast food places-- they say they've got the best burgers, tacos, etc. and they're usually not afraid to get in your face to say they're the one and only. It can taste good, but in the end it's all junk food and it's really not healthy for society when you eat too much of it.

I do agree that those extremists are not exemplifying what Christianity is supposed to be about, and they often give the whole group of Christians a bad name. Which is one reason many of us join in these debates to explain that not all Christians are that way. On the same note, I have encountered many atheists- even here on D&D- that dont give atheists a very good name either, and I don't loop them all into one category because of it.

[superteacher]

To be or not to be that is a question! to believe it or not! ancient emperors must have believed it so much that they built massive tombs to protect their bodies.