Do you believe in the afterlife?

[sarabtrayior]

Yes, I believe in the afterlife, but I won't get to see it until I die and neither will anyone else...

[queenofnines]

how do you possibly feel that you have the right to downplay someone's life? Especially on an internet forum, when you know nothing of what they have or have not done in their life- and nowhere near enough to assert that you are the one who should decide whether they deserve to spend their afterlife in heaven.

It seems you don't know your own doctrine -- it really doesn't matter what a Christian has done in their life... they could be a murderer, rapist, or just plain lazy waste of a human being who neither did any harm NOR good...none of this matters, all that matters is how gullible you are to a ridiculous ancient fable that defies all logic.  So, it is quite self-centered if you ask me to expect fantastical things when you die just because you believe "god" murdered himself to himself as some kind of loophole because a talking snake convinced a ribwoman to eat a cursed fruit and now all of humanity is f--ked because of that.  Let's not forget that on the other side of the coin, anyone who doesn't share your belief in this ridiculous story is doomed to eternal torture simply for not believing...again, one's actions in life matter squat in this case.

You are correct that the poster I addressed could indeed be a good person who does wonderful things; however, it doesn't matter if they are or aren't, because Christians don't get their afterlife "reward" due to actions... and everyone who does not partake in their mythology are damned all to hell.  4 BILLION currently damned to hell to be exact.  That is an incredibly messed up ideology to base your life on, if you ask me.

[SurveyMack10]

how do you possibly feel that you have the right to downplay someone's life? Especially on an internet forum, when you know nothing of what they have or have not done in their life- and nowhere near enough to assert that you are the one who should decide whether they deserve to spend their afterlife in heaven.

It seems you don't know your own doctrine -- it really doesn't matter what a Christian has done in their life... they could be a murderer, rapist, or just plain lazy waste of a human being who neither did any harm NOR good...none of this matters, all that matters is how gullible you are to a ridiculous ancient fable that defies all logic.  So, it is quite self-centered if you ask me to expect fantastical things when you die just because you believe "god" murdered himself to himself as some kind of loophole because a talking snake convinced a ribwoman to eat a cursed fruit and now all of humanity is f--ked because of that.  Let's not forget that on the other side of the coin, anyone who doesn't share your belief in this ridiculous story is doomed to eternal torture simply for not believing...again, one's actions in life matter squat in this case.

You are correct that the poster I addressed could indeed be a good person who does wonderful things; however, it doesn't matter if they are or aren't, because Christians don't get their afterlife "reward" due to actions... and everyone who does not partake in their mythology are damned all to hell.  4 BILLION currently damned to hell to be exact.  That is an incredibly messed up ideology to base your life on, if you ask me.

That was a cute little rant, however irrelevant. Especially considering I didn't even mention Christianity- just that you do not have the authority to determine where someone should or shouldn't spend their afterlife, especially someone you do not know. And as for me not knowing my own doctrine, that was an ill-infomed statement as I said nothing about it NOR did i say anything about  the "everyone better believe what i believe" philosophy that you tried to claim as my words, when really you are the one saying everyone who is not an athiest believes in fairytales. Love the hypocrisy though, never changes

[queenofnines]

Especially considering I didn't even mention Christianity- just that you do not have the authority to determine where someone should or shouldn't spend their afterlife, especially someone you do not know.

Well that's incredibly ironic of you to say.  This is exactly what your religion does.  I'm hardly on the same playing field when it comes to being guilty of such a thing considering I don't consider the afterlife to be existent in the first place!

And why are you pretending there's this huge possibility that I might not be addressing Christians when I say all of this?!  We live in one of the most religious, Christian-dominated countries in the world.  Come on now.  Plus I know for a fact that you're Christian from speaking to you before.  All of this is quite relevant when dealing with a concept ( the afterlife) that stems largely from a religious belief.

NOR did i say anything about  the "everyone better believe what i believe" philosophy that you tried to claim as my words, when really you are the one saying everyone who is not an athiest believes in fairytales. Love the hypocrisy though, never changes

I didn't claim in that particular response that you, SurveyMack, do this.  I meant the Christian belief in general (which encompasses some - but not all - Christians).

As for me wanting everyone to be atheist... no.  I'd be happy with simply more "mushy Christians" -- those that claim to believe on god when pressed, but live their lives like secular people.
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[luveyourworld]

yes. i do. 144,000 will go to Heaven with God. The rest will go to  a New World that has streets paved with gold, etc. much like the garden of Eden where we will have houses of our own and crowns with jewls, etc. Then those who dont make it there, will spend enternity in hell, but it is really called something that starts with S. (This is all in the Bible) It is dark, there is fire, there are things that rip apart flesh but you dont "die", etc. I am trying to get to at least the New World. I believe the 144,000 will be either from the original 12 tribes of Israel...or Judah (wich ever one it was) or select people who were righteous in God's sight like how Mary the Virgin was (only not her b/c she is allready there.)

[queenofnines]

Why does this bother you so much if you do not even believe in hell?

Going down this road again...

Really?  You can't think of any possible reason(s) why it could be harmful to preach that those who do not adhere to the same faith as you will be tortured, tormented, burned, punished FOREVER?  ...Really?

It doesn't matter that your hell isn't real in reality, it's still incredibly sick to delight in the thought that your fellow human beings...billions of them...deserve to be in excruciating agony because your god failed to provide sufficient evidence for his existence, all the while shouting from the rooftops that this monster you all invented is a "god of love".  Please.  Anyone who truly believes this will be the majority of humanity's fate and is fine with it should be ashamed...and get their head examined.

If you ever stopped for long enough to really THINK about the whole hell dilemma, you'd see where I'm coming from, you'd see how it's a sham, and how it's an incredibly demented form of religious control.

[mary_k]

I believe in an afterlife, but I don't think there is any "hell" involved. Jesus died for our sins, Right?

[SurveyMack10]

Especially considering I didn't even mention Christianity- just that you do not have the authority to determine where someone should or shouldn't spend their afterlife, especially someone you do not know.

Well that's incredibly ironic of you to say.  This is exactly what your religion does.  I'm hardly on the same playing field when it comes to being guilty of such a thing considering I don't consider the afterlife to be existent in the first place!

And why are you pretending there's this huge possibility that I might not be addressing Christians when I say all of this?!  We live in one of the most religious, Christian-dominated countries in the world.  Come on now.  Plus I know for a fact that you're Christian from speaking to you before.  All of this is quite relevant when dealing with a concept ( the afterlife) that stems largely from a religious belief.

NOR did i say anything about  the "everyone better believe what i believe" philosophy that you tried to claim as my words, when really you are the one saying everyone who is not an athiest believes in fairytales. Love the hypocrisy though, never changes

I didn't claim in that particular response that you, SurveyMack, do this.  I meant the Christian belief in general (which encompasses some - but not all - Christians).

As for me wanting everyone to be atheist... no.  I'd be happy with simply more "mushy Christians" -- those that claim to believe on god when pressed, but live their lives like secular people.

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Still avoiding the point that you do not have the authority to sit around on a forum and tell people who they do or do not deserve to spend their afterlife. You complain constantly that Christians have a belief that nonbelievers will end up in hell, yet you sit here and tell someone on a forum where they will end up? That is SO hypocritical. How can you possible judge someone's entire life by a post you read on a thread on fusion cash.

Beyond that, you say that the Christian belief is based on judging people's actions and where they will end up. That is not even close to the Christian doctrine. I am not saying that Christians do not judge people, we are human too and we make mistakes, but it is clearly stated in the Bible that we are not the ones who should judge one another, that only God can judge us. So when you say that Christianity is based on that you are COMPLETELY wrong.

[jcribb16]

Quote from queenofnines:
As for me wanting everyone to be atheist... no.  I'd be happy with simply more "mushy Christians" -- those that claim to believe on god when pressed, but live their lives like secular people.


That's a lot to ask of Christians who are dedicated to the Lord.  To only acknowledge their belief in God when pressed is like asking them to be afraid of being a Christian openly and speaking of God openly.  It's a good example of a young elementary student saying to another, "I'll be your friend if you don't talk about God."  Christians aren't cowards.  They are also asked by Jesus, Himself, "to go out in the streets, and the hedgeways,,, telling and spreading the news of salvation."  I am not going to be "mushy" and hide my belief in God.  It then affects any secular activity or otherwise that I may go and do.

What exactly do you mean by secular?  You are almost making it sound like "mushy Christians" can have their cake, and eat it, too.  It seems as if you are okaying these to go out and do whatever they want with no regard to right or wrong and yet not have to be accountable to God at the same time.

[Falconer02]

I hope I'm not intruding, but I'd like to comment here...

That's a lot to ask of Christians who are dedicated to the Lord.  To only acknowledge their belief in God when pressed is like asking them to be afraid of being a Christian openly and speaking of God openly.

It's called being courteous. For instance I try not to bring up these type of things unless they're introduced into a conversation. I just don't randomly bring them up and assert them like chrisitians do. It would seem those dedicated to your lord are very rude and naively disrespectful to others.

"I'll be your friend if you don't talk about God."  Christians aren't cowards.

Except when it comes to proof! lol seriously though, normal people aren't asking this. Any decent person wouldn't mind talking about politics, sex, music, sports, philosophy, or religion to someone they already know decently. Someone coming up to you that starts introducing and asserting wild and crazy ideas is just...I'm sorry...F'd up beyond belief. I have a few friends who do this type of thing (with my list above) to people and it's...ugh...I just either sit their facepalming or I walk away for a while.

It seems as if you are okaying these to go out and do whatever they want with no regard to right or wrong and yet not have to be accountable to God at the same time.

I'm under the impression she's talking about other belief systems and how they're respectful to others and wish to not bring them up unless asked. Your god should not bully the playground. There are plenty of other gods on it too.

[queenofnines]

What exactly do you mean by secular?

Not being able to tell what religion someone is (or if they have a lack of religion) because we conduct ourselves in a way that separates faith from public life.

You are almost making it sound like "mushy Christians" can have their cake, and eat it, too.

They sure can!  If someone wants to believe in a god because they are scared of dying, or it gives them a sense of not being alone when things go wrong, but they otherwise conduct themselves as secular, that's a lot, lot better than someone who is actively spreading poisonous lies that are associated with their faith.

It seems as if you are okaying these to go out and do whatever they want with no regard to right or wrong and yet not have to be accountable to God at the same time.

Just because someone is a mushy Christian doesn't mean they are without morals.  I know plenty of mushy Christians, and they are just regular, normal people...the main difference being, they are not the nuts who forbid their kids to read Harry Potter or mass email all of their acquaintances warnings about hell like a Christian of "better" faith might be more inclined to.

[SurveyMack10]

It is so arrogant to sit around and say "all Christians bring up their religion and throw it in everyone's face." 1st of all, you haven't met all Christians. 2nd of all, living a certain way isn't throwing your religion in someone's face. And 3rd, if someone DOES bring up their religion, and does it in the right way, they they aren't throwing it in your face- but are instead just sharing their way of life and faith with others. Something very different then hanging out on a forum all day saying "God is not real, God is like santa claus, anyone who believes in God can't think for themself and is delusional." Seems like the atheists around here are the ones throwing their beliefs or lack thereof in someone's face, so PLEASE try to think about how hypocritical you may sound before you speak.

[Falconer02]

It is so arrogant to sit around and say "all Christians bring up their religion and throw it in everyone's face." 1st of all, you haven't met all Christians. 2nd of all, living a certain way isn't throwing your religion in someone's face. And 3rd, if someone DOES bring up their religion, and does it in the right way, they they aren't throwing it in your face- but are instead just sharing their way of life and faith with others

No, obviously not all of them do this. But a lot of them do and that's what we're talking about.

Something very different then hanging out on a forum all day saying "God is not real,

Perhaps you're not familiar with the usual pattern of events with your claim. Most of the time there is a christian thread that is full of contradictions and naivety (example = end of the world threads), and we just comment and debate such claims mainly asking for proof and showing our proof of why it's wrong.

Seems like the atheists around here are the ones throwing their beliefs or lack thereof in someone's face, so PLEASE try to think about how hypocritical you may sound before you speak.

Count how many atheist threads there are that throw beliefs in peoples faces. Now count how many christian threads there are that do the same thing.

[freepcmoney]

I believe in Eternal Life in Heaven or Hell.

[sh1980]

yes I believe in afterlife..