Do you believe in the afterlife?

[Annella]

I beleive there is afterlife in Heaven or Hell and our choices and beliefs here in our life time designate where we will be. It is our choice to believe in the Bible and having a relationship with Jesus Christ and this is our faith. I know with out a shadow of doubt that I will go to Heaven, because of my relationship with Christ and my faith.

Your absolutely right vmcutshall!  Your relationship with God is the most important thing in this life.  The more you seek Him, the more He will reveal Himself to you.  It is a choice as you have stated, and the just shall live by Faith!

Welcome to the forum.

[Annella]

I'm not religious at all, but there is a lot of undebunked paranormal evidence which might indicate the existence of an afterlife.

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/

There is a lot of undebunked paranormal evidence.  There are also things that happen (some say miracles), that can't be explained because it is outside the realm of our understanding.  If it wasn't, then it wouldn't be a miracle, or unexplained phenomena.

[walksalone11]

Sheryl, if you prayed and prayed today, then you surely did not hear from the God I serve. It was wasted time, if you actually prayed. That's right! Your bitterness and critical spirit is paramount in your postings. Again, take the beam from your own eye, before you take it from mine.

WTF?!?!?

are you like, Creators personal secretary or something?

[Annella]

I'm not religious in any sort (no church, no declared faith) but I simply believe that whatever we believe to be after will be after. If I had to find anything to be true it'd be the following statements: 1) - Perception is reality 2) The Laws of Conservation for Mass and Energy. Mass and Energy cannot be created or destroyed so our 'mass and energy' has to go somewhere, kinda like the Force in Star Wars. But our subconscious will always be our own and that, I believe, can NOT die at all, so we'd live on subconsciously with whatever we feel is true.

Yes, we will live on in an afterlife.  Welcome to the forum.

[Annella]

WTF?!?!?

are you like, Creators personal secretary or something?

An observation.....doesn't ring true.  You don't threaten physical violence to anyone, if your touting the "love" message.  I'm feeling "checked" in the Holy Ghost.  While you may not understand what that means Walks, every Christian on here does.

[walksalone11]

WTF?!?!?

are you like, Creators personal secretary or something?

An observation.....doesn't ring true.  You don't threaten physical violence to anyone, if your touting the "love" message.  I'm feeling "checked" in the Holy Ghost.  While you may not understand what that means Walks, every Christian on here does.

"Checked"?

Right...I'm getting a pretty clear mental picture.

[jcribb16]

Quote from Sheryl:
 A real Christian should be able to answer a non-Christian's answers respectfully.  It's a HUGE part of being a witness for Him.   If someone feels someone else has "cut them off", been sarcastic or whatever---is it SO HARD to post back and ask them why?  Is it so hard to let them know you will not be responding to them in the future if that continues?  Is it SO HARD to hear out the other person before accusing them of something?  People on here, they have their own beliefs-- most of them aren't on here with empty cups waiting for some "stranger" to fill it.   Chances are---you won't change their minds and they won't change yours.  Is it so hard to realize that and let that topic go BEFORE it comes down to "degrading" someone??
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Sheryl, are you giving this advice to me, individually, or to others it may apply to?  I have asked why they have been sarcastic to me, (I'm really only speaking of 2 posters) and their response to me is usually along the lines of not being in reality or being in a make-believe world with a security blanket or an idiot for believing like I do.  I ask you, is that a fair and mature response from an unbeliever?  No, it is just as wrong as you are accusing Christians in here of.  I'm saying both sides need to be mature about their responses, not just one side or the other.  I am a Christian and I have tried to maintain that testimony in here as much as I humanly can.  I am human and have gone too far a couple of times to a particular poster because it rankled me how this poster would respond to newbies, with sarcasm as listed above, and then you may never see them again.  That is wrong in my book, too.  So I have done what you are doing right now, and say something to the poster.  Even Jesus overturned the moneytables in the temple and was angry.  The Bible says we can respond in righteous anger; and to be angry and sin not.

There are nonchristians in this forum I have no problem with.  They are wonderful, kind, and treat me as adult with my own views. We don't agree on certain religious things, but we maintain civility.  We also communicate in other threads about our careers, family, etc. There are a couple of them in this very thread.  I appreciate what they have to offer and challenge me with, and they, in return accept my challenging questions and responses.

[queenofnines]

God does make it very clear what he thinks of the wicked.  He does love the sinner.

Why am I "wicked" and a "sinner" just because I don't buy the Bible?  Those are some harsh words towards someone who hasn't even gotten a speeding ticket.

What has age got to do with it?

Because it is believed that humans are supposed to mature as they climb in years, not the opposite.  I've quickly figured out in my relatively short time as an adult that this is not the case, but I know many other people still expect it.  

If I want to help newbies in here so they don't just post once and then don't ever post again because they have been flamed, then what concern is that to you?

The only service you're doing with this is to your own ego.  95% of the people who post a sentence or two and never come back do so NOT because they've been "flamed", but because they don't actually read more than the OP and don't actually give a damn about doing anything more than their minimum posts.  You haven't figured this out by now?  Ha.

Two newbies came into this thread and had something to say.  Has anyone welcomed them?

See above.  They won't be back, anyway, so you shouldn't be concerned with what does or doesn't get said to them.

[walksalone11]

Welcome Noobs!

Please....no whinners.

[amyrouse]

Thank you for your apology, Annella.


May this be the last thing I ever say to you.

[Annella]

qon wrote:

Why am I "wicked" and a "sinner" just because I don't buy the Bible?  Those are some harsh words towards someone who hasn't even gotten a speeding ticket.

Uh.........You don't even believe in God or the Bible.  However...............the words "wicked" and "sinner" are just two of the Biblical words/expressions assigned to unbelievers, and those who reject God.  There are much harsher words used to describe sin, and the unbeliever in the Bible. To be honest, the words wicked and sinner are relatively "tame" according to some others in the Word.

While it's commendable that you have never gotten a speeding ticket (I can't say that, I have a lead foot).  It's irrelevant to the definition of what the Bible defines as wickedness and sin.

qon wrote:

Because it is believed that humans are supposed to mature as they climb in years, not the opposite. I've quickly figured out in my relatively short time as an adult that this is not the case, but I know many other people still expect it.

How you rate maturity could be foolishness, childishness, or wisdom to someone else, or visa versa.  Remember this one?

At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus , saying, Who is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven?  And Jesus called a little child unto Him, and set him in the midst of them, and said, Verily I say unto, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.   Matthew 18:1-3

Did you know that the words "mature" or "maturity" are not in the Bible? 

qon wrote:

The only service you're doing with this is to your own ego.  95% of the people who post a sentence or two and never come back do so NOT because they've been "flamed", but because they don't actually read more than the OP and don't actually give a damn about doing anything more than their minimum posts.  You haven't figured this out by now?  Ha.

My ego?  Insulting, Inconclusive, and only your opinion.....  Uh, do you have a crystal ball that tells you what people will or will not do?  However, you HAVE swooped down on newbies and HAVE flamed them, and they haven't been back.  I think we should at least be cordial, and let them make up their own minds about how and what they want to post.  They are called newbies for a reason.  They are brand new, and are looking to be accepted in a forum and site that is new to them.  By all means, lets make them feel unwelcome. Especially those who post about God, and/or a belief in Him. How dare they!!

qon wrote:

They won't be back, anyway, so you shouldn't be concerned with what does or doesn't get said to em.

Really? So I guess, if I'm in a foreign country, I can be just as obnoxious as I want to be, because I'll be going home in a few days anyway, and won't ever see those particular people again.  Or I'm on a road trip, and stop in a restaurant.  Might as well treat the wait person like they are beneath me because after all, they are servants right?  I won't be seeing them after I leave anyway.  Might as well leave them with the impression that their idiots for even being in the customer service industry. 

qon do you have any idea what your posts are revealing about your overall character?

[Falconer02]

STILL disagree with me falconer about the "demon possession" thingy?

Bravo, m'lady. Bravo. Also, thanks for keeping things pretty sane here for the last 2 pages or so. Though at this point I don't see why anyone would even post back to her with anything heavily insightful (no offense to you). She spreads witchcraft and makes christianity look pretty awful-- I'm sure that much is apparent to everyone. What a goofball! Oh wait-- I forgot to answer one of her questions-

Why is this such a threat to you?

You want a basic non-sarcastic answer? Sure! Because it has hurt and killed a lot of people through superstitious idiocy and spreading it around is the spawn of exponential foolishness. Only my opinion? Tell that to the dead, witchcraft courier.

[Annella]

 I would call someone like that a false Christian.

Annella,  You might want to get some facts straight or pop some med's before you go posting away.  It doesn't matter that YOU would call them a false christian, you didn't trademark the term "christian", ANYONE can use it.  HOW MANY posts have I posted stating that anyone & anything can call themselves a "christian anything" and people had better have enough sense to check out all their sources before believing anything?  It wasn't MY idea to call them "christian witches", it was THEIRS.  It ONLY came up because YOU ACCUSED falconer of making up that term, and I was pointing out that he didn't.  This is what you said:

Something else......there is no such thing as Christian witchcraft.  That's something you made up.  

 and here's the link to learn all about how they do exist: http://witchychristian.tripod.com/ChristianWitch.html  Maybe you should apologize to Falconer for being incorrect  and NOT knowing that such a thing existed---instead of trying to act like you knew rightly all along?  

My last post was neither sarcastic or demeaning to Falconer.

 I didn't mean to imply that you were sarcastic or demeaning to JUST Falconer...you're "fair", you really believe in "spreading it all around".  

Sheryl, do you even read your posts?  The very thing you are hammering me about, is glaringly clear in your own posts. You will knock me down to bring someone to Jesus?  What?

 Yes ma'am, I do re-read my own posts.  You got your "knickers-in-a-knot" all thinking I threatened physical violence which is beyond hysterical so let me re-phrase that for you since you apparently worship a god so tiny that he would be no match for me....  Anyone that has that much of the devil in them is no match for a child of God, God will knock them down.  You just keep piling up those bricks of manure and they'll keep getting knocked down!   NEWSFLASH: YOU DON'T GET TO DECIDE WHO GETS TO GO TO HEAVEN OR HELL! ANOTHER NEWSFLASH: If you keep letting all those bitter feelings you got toward qon drag you down, then down is where you will be going.  If you can't forgive her, you yourself won't be forgiven.  The Bible says so...yours does too unless that's another one of the verses you've torn out.  

I've seen the enemy mimic the spirit of God. He does it right here in this forum.  The Bible says that satan can present himself as an angel of light, but actually, he's a deceiver and accuser of the redeemed.

 Yeah, if you're referring to me there---how Christian of YOU.  

 There IS a Heaven and there IS a Hell. Uh, I didn't write the book.

No kidding!  That's a good thing to do Annella...keep reminding yourself that YOU didn't write the book.  

However, asking is not demeaning, put downs, or dragging your belief in the mud. That's not a question. That's an insult.

Um, yeah...do you re-read your own posts Annella?  THAT IS AN INSULT, I AGREE--- THAT is what you have been doing to MANY on here!!  (    hopefully, she's FINALLY beginning to see the light!)  

You also accused me of "baiting", which I've never done.  I can't think of one Christian topic that I have started in this forum anywhere.

 Really?  One doesn't need to start a topic to "bait".  All they need to do is post all "nicey" and wait for the first person to post something that doesn't coincide with what you believe...and "it's on".  The we get the " " and it isn't long before it all begins again.  THAT ISN'T "baiting"??  You aren't putting a worm on your little old hook there and waiting to catch someone?  r i g h t.  

Huh? What has age got to do with it?

 REALLY?  You don't think the older one is, the more concerned they should be with setting a good example for the younger generations then?  Hey whatever...it's your right to act childish then.  It's not very becoming for an "evangelist" and all but, whatever.  

If I want to help newbies in here so they don't just post once and then don't ever post again because they have been flamed, then what concern is that to you?  Anybody can fill out a support ticket to Admin. anytime they please......Go for it!  However, this is D&D, which clearly states to enter at your own risk.

 Exactly, "enter at your own risk"---INCLUDING newbies.  My "concern" wasn't that great, the point was you are overstepping your bounds.  How would you like it if I issued a welcome warning about you to every newbie?  I wouldn't because I am not about to stoop to your level of madness...and also because by now I'm sure they're ALL be aware of your foolishness.  (Do you do this in your church too because you are quite the busy-body here.  You can act all innocent if you wish, you aren't fooling anyone.  

Sheryl, if you prayed and prayed today, then you surely did not hear from the God I serve.

How right you are there...lol  I don't want NUTTIN to do with whatever it is you are serving!  NO thank you.

It was wasted time, if you actually prayed.

 No because I prayed to Jesus.  The same Jesus that died on the cross and has forgiven me of my sins.  The same Jesus I have had a close personal relationship for many years.  The same Jesus I have spent years studying so that I might be a better follower.  The same Jesus that taught me if a person doesn't have God's love in their heart---then they don't have a very effective ministry (which is what YOU got, isn't it?  An "ineffective" ministry?  Because there is NOT much in your posts that says love for others at all.)  I don't "worship" you and never will.  Get over it.  

Your bitterness and critical spirit is paramount in your postings

 Really? That's hilarious.  I'm not "bitter" and just like God...I am totally willing to let you keep on making a total "whatever-you-wanna-call-it" of yourself.  Keep posting away, keep digging that hole deeper & deeper.  The BIBLE says that if a person's words & actions aren't 100% in line with the Bible, then what one is looking at is a "phony".  I measure every Christian to that and double if they say they are an evangelist.  If that makes me "critical" so be it.  It also keeps me from having the "wool" pulled over my eyes...so of course that would upset you.  

Two newbies came into this thread and had something to say.  Has anyone welcomed them?  No, you were too busy being the "righteous" voice here, and trying to reprimand me.

 My bad...I thought YOU WERE the welcoming committee!   WHY would I feel like welcoming someone new into this mess that all began because you were mean to multiple people on here?  Makes no sense!  

The so called religious leaders reprimanded Christ also, because he went against what they had been practicing for hundreds of yearsThey were a very pious and lifted up group of individuals that finally ended up crucifying their very Messiah.

 HOW DARE YOU compare yourself to Christ!  Unbelievable.  That was about as blasphemous as one could get on this forum & in life!  

Who is Dr. Oz?

A well known medical doctor with a daily tv show.  Actually my mentioning him would have been a benefit to your post about "faith healing" because Dr. Oz is a very well known, popular  & well known doctor but forget it.   Interesting though how you can not even know who he is or know anything about him and yet claim he has an imitation religion.  My mentioning him didn't even have anything to do with his religion.  

I think the real spirit of God gets mimicd falsely by individuals who want to go on National TV and spout whatever.  They are seeking self glory and not Christ's.

REALLY? , are you aware that there are some GREAT evangelists & Christians on tv with their own networks?  They are FANTASTIC, you might want to watch them and try to learn something.  Summation: My patience has all run out with you.  I've tried to be as nice as I could be.   Your blasphemous statement  above was the last straw for me.   I can forgive you for even that because you won't be keeping me out of heaven.  Everyone can see you have some BIG problems.  I'm quite convinced you might be demon possessed from your last post to me here.  Put a person with a demon in a chit-chat with a Christian and the demons can't help but get nervous and then the REAL comes out as demonstrated multiple times in Annella's last post.  (STILL disagree with me falconer about the "demon possession" thingy?)  Good luck with trying to fool the newbies, mentioning your "plans" to try & make it seem like you are such an accomplished evangelist is wasted on me---even Kelly Rippa's husband could get hisself ordained to marry Howard Stern... so?  Anyone can get ordained, anyone can be an evangelist, etc.  The point is, after all this....WHO wants to go to church with Annella?  Come on now, raise your hands...don't be shy!!

Sheryl  I'm afraid for you.

[jcribb16]

Quote from Sheryl:
  Again, here's a verse being used out of context.  If one bothers to read the next verse, they would see this: "Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven".
Obviously the chapter is less about being immature (a.k.a. "childish") and more about being humble.  (I can see how that word "humble" though would fly right over someone's head...)  WHAT a GREAT evangelist posting a Bible verse out of context as an excuse for inexcusable behavior.   And then try to be all "Mr. Rogers" by asking 
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 I would like to add the next 3 verses:

KJV:
 4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

 5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea .



There is offending going on in here.  We need to be very careful when using God's Word.  There are consequences as the verses read above.

[Annella]

I would like to add the next 3 verses:
There is offending going on in here.  We need to be very careful when using God's Word.  There are consequences as the verses read above.

   You're right, I was offended.  Someone compares themself to Christ and I'm supposed to be ok with that and not call that for what it is...TOTAL BLASPHEMY?  Someone posts a load of garbage and expects people to believe it's in the Bible when it isn't---I have EVERY RIGHT to point out the inacurracies and I WILL.   

Jesus left the great commission with us.  We are His witness's.  We are in Christ's stead.  We will reign and rule with Christ someday. Especially those in the Ministry are anointed to stand in Christ's stead. We are not God, but we stand and work in his stead to bring souls into the Kingdom.  He filled His Children with the Holy Ghost, which is Christ IN US, the hope of Glory.  If we have the Holy Ghost abiding IN us?  Who's spirit is that? That makes us heirs and joint heirs with Christ.  One with Him. If you do it to one of these little ones, you do it to me?  Your "blasphemy" comment is no more than sensationalism.

As far as my post back to qon, there was nothing wrong with the post.  I answered all her questions, and gave my own opinion about some things, as she gave hers.

Sheryl, you are becoming increasingly volatile in your postings.  How could you call any Christian (Minister or not), demon possessed?  Be careful, God is very clear about His anointed.