Do you believe in the afterlife?

[jordandog]

I have been gone for a few weeks. My kids bought me a round trip flight for Christmas so I could NOT come up with an excuse for not taking a vacation due to work as I have for last 5 years. I thought it would be good to see what has happened around FC. It is GREAT that I am seeing posts from Walks again, yay to that! Thumbs down to the self appointed 'Ruler of Rhetoric' aka Annella, Anna, Mom. I thought you might have backed off, possibly humbled yourself and made nice with Amy again, and regained a bit of sanity in addition to taking the appropriate amount of time necessary to understand what is actually being said in posts. I would have been closer if I had hoped to find a pile of gold in my foyer when I came home. Life goes on and some things just never change. I have to ask this. Do you have a special pop-up window installed on your computer monitor that alerts you when QON posts so you can swoop in and 'stand up' for newbies (or anyone else you deem worthy) whether THEY want or need it, Annella? It sure seems like it judging by the amount of time between replies. Nothing, zero, zip, zilch.....newbie posts.....Queen replies with valid words.....BOOM! You come flying in to set things back in order as YOU see fit. Utilize the ignore button before you actually do find out if your heaven exists through a self-imposed stroke.....

This below really caught me off guard though. Did I miss something huge?!

Amy is Jewish and does not believe in God

[Robspad]

Read what the "reward for incoruptability is. Look at the fact Jesus will get the jewel of incorruptability in his crown. See the fact that he will rule a few thousand years in the flesh in the new heaven and jeruselem. Then lastly look up the old testiment when the entire army of" dry bones" was brought back to life and won the war they were brought back for. A prophet was made to stack the dry bones and comand them to rise! If that is so. Recieve immortality like Jesus will. By being incorupt. Simple!

[jordandog]

Good post, Sheryl, and thank you for what you said, would miss you too. I have also noticed, reading back to catch up, all the warnings and instructions re "go back through and read their posts". What new person has the time or desire to go through thousands of writings? If they have a mind of their own, they are certainly able to form an opinion of their own.

Note on my previous post: When I asked if I had missed something huge and quoted jcribb re Amy, I meant the part about not believing in god, NOT the part about being Jewish.

I just looked and have not had enough posts to claim the $3 bonus since December. That just reinforces how redundant things have gotten in D&D - I haven't even bothered to put in my thoughts and that's unusual for me.

[walksalone11]

Walks may believe in a creator, but we both know it is not God.

Excuse me???

There is only one Creator, whether one calls them Creator, God, Yahweh, Messiah or what have you. It's just that some people believe that through their interpretation of what is divinely inspired they can find justification to act in very superior ways and force, by what ever means necessary, others to adopt their dogmatic ways. Whether that force is by way of intense peer pressure, intimidation and literally scaring "hell" out of someone, up to and including genocide. I do not. I believe every single individual has the divine right to be who they are and no other individual has the right to attempt to force them to be else.

I have been accused of christian bashing. Bull *bleep*. There are christian s on this forum I have openly supported and even encouraged them to further their studies and pursue a position within the clergy. I will speak out and probably even "bash" on anyone of any mindset who acts as if they are superior or preaches intolerance of anyone else.

Some people in here need to learn the differance between "fact" and "opinion" and not try to force acceptance of one represented as the other.

[jordandog]

Walks may believe in a creator, but we both know it is not God.

Excuse me???

There is only one Creator, whether one calls them Creator, God, Yahweh, Messiah or what have you. It's just that some people believe that through their interpretation of what is divinely inspired they can find justification to act in very superior ways and force, by what ever means necessary, others to adopt their dogmatic ways. Whether that force is by way of intense peer pressure, intimidation and literally scaring "hell" out of someone, up to and including genocide. I do not. I believe every single individual has the divine right to be who they are and no other individual has the right to attempt to force them to be else.

I have been accused of christian bashing. Bull *bleep*. There are christian s on this forum I have openly supported and even encouraged them to further their studies and pursue a position within the clergy. I will speak out and probably even "bash" on anyone of any mindset who acts as if they are superior or preaches intolerance of anyone else.

Some people in here need to learn the differance between "fact" and "opinion" and not try to force acceptance of one represented as the other.

Setting the record straight with fact and NOT opinion, Walks.
"I believe every single individual has the divine right to be who they are and no other individual has the right to attempt to force them to be else."   Hooyah!

[queenofnines]

Do you have a special pop-up window installed on your computer monitor that alerts you when QON posts so you can swoop in and 'stand up' for newbies (or anyone else you deem worthy) whether THEY want or need it, Annella? It sure seems like it judging by the amount of time between replies. Nothing, zero, zip, zilch.....newbie posts.....Queen replies with valid words.....BOOM! You come flying in to set things back in order as YOU see fit.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who has noticed this!

Utilize the ignore button before you actually do find out if your heaven exists through a self-imposed stroke.....

Haha, totally.  SCREAMING that I'm a liar because I pointed out how she got annoyed by being called Anna?  Get a grip!!  

You've never blasted either one of them because neither one of them believe in Christianity or being a Christian..so YOU figure it out smart mouth!

Leave it to a Christian to try to weasel the situation into something it's not.  There's much more to this "common denominator" than them not believing in Christianity; that is beside the point.  It's the fact that they don't run around spewing fallacies left and right nor are they trying to overthrow society with any dogma.  

Geez, I really had to spell it out for ya, huh?

[queenofnines]

Walks may believe in a creator, but we both know it is not God.  So that doesn't rankle you, of course.  Amy is Jewish and does not believe in God, and is still waiting for her Messiah.  So that doesn't cross you either.  So, duh, it wasn't hard to figure out....

Wow, that is incredibly disrespectful of you, jcribb.  Your invisible, unprovable god can beat up their invisible, unprovable gods, can he?  

Christians are so supremacist.  Of course many religions like to tout how they are the correct one (which is laughable); Christians in particular seem to do it more than anyone else.

And I've already explained above why Walks and Amy's beliefs don't "rankle" me.  

I can assure you Christians aren't the only ones worthy off criticism.  If you're a fundamentalist nut about anything, gtfo!

[jcribb16]

Walks may believe in a creator, but we both know it is not God.  So that doesn't rankle you, of course.  Amy is Jewish and does not believe in God, and is still waiting for her Messiah.  So that doesn't cross you either.  So, duh, it wasn't hard to figure out....

Wow, that is incredibly disrespectful of you, jcribb.  Your invisible, unprovable god can beat up their invisible, unprovable gods, can he?  

Christians are so supremacist.  Of course many religions like to tout how they are the correct one (which is laughable); Christians in particular seem to do it more than anyone else.

And I've already explained above why Walks and Amy's beliefs don't "rankle" me.  


I can assure you Christians aren't the only ones worthy off criticism.  If you're a fundamentalist nut about anything, gtfo!

I hope Sheryl sees your disrespect as well, qon.  Especially your ending.  I have never and will never speak to you that way.
I was only saying what they have inferred in other posts in other threads.  I will remove it as I was reacting to your posts.  And I apologize to them.  Whether Sheryl has read your comments in other threads, I don't know.  But I sure do hope she will see the one you just finished with.

[jcribb16]

Christianity aside, we are all human here.   qon has just as much right to post her opinions/ beliefs on whatever topic she chooses just like anyone else, and the right to question what is posted.   Noone has the right to treat another human being like dirt.  What kind of d&d section would it be if everyone agreed about everything with everyone else?   qon always has people posting that they enjoy her posts & style---she inspires people, she makes them think.  I have to applaud anyone that can make any person "stop and really think" about anything these days. (I'm not saying I always agree with her but I do know that she is a very intelligent, compassionate, fun and witty individual with a great sense of humor and I love that.)  qon's posts have gotten shorter (from what they used to be) and I don't think she hasn't posted as frequently as before... and it does seem to me like she's being bullied on the forum.   I think it's petty to be "warning" newbies about other FC members as soon as they (newbies) post.  People should be able to form their own opinions/impressions of others and not have someone else do it for them.  FC rules says to observe the golden rule and treat others the way you'd like to be treated--- how many FC members would like another member warning newbies right on the forum for everyone else to see...about you?  qon is very well & able of defending/taking care of herself, it's just that I have noticed these things and I don't believe all this "strife" is right.  Falconer contributes alot of wit, humor and knowledge to the forum.  I don't have to always agree with him to enjoy his "presence" in the forum.  Same goes for Amy, Walks and Jordandog.  I consider them all to be "treasures" that I appreciate having found on FC and if they were missing, I would most definitely miss them.  They are all unique & special individuals.  There is no need to "warn" newbies about anybody.  According to my Bible, we all came from Adam & Eve.  That makes qon AND Annella my "sisters"...whether they like it or not.    That makes ALL of us "brothers" & "sisters" until the day we stop breathing.   and   (**walks...the emoticons...you are precious!)

Sheryl, I totally agree with you.  And it was that way for awhile.  But you have apparently missed many threads as of late with how she spoke to newbies and others who differed in her views.  Debating is great, but not when they are called idiots, not in reality, make-believe security blankets (toward their belief in God.)  Even God's Word says to "Do unto others as they would do unto you."  People, including myself, have respected her choice and her reasons and don't cut her down.  She does not usually offer the same in return.  People can only take so much and either ignore or spark back.  I enjoy debating with her as long as there is respect between us.

[jcribb16]

Out of respect to Amy, what I meant by my comment in regards to her, is that Jesus is not God.  In my faith, Jesus is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.  To her, it means different when it comes to Jesus and the New Testament.  She does not follow that.  So when I said she didn't believe in God, I should have said Jesus instead. (It is confusing since to me Jesus is God.)  So, my apologies to Amy for my wrong comment.  I did not mean it that way at all, as I have explained why.

[Annella]

I addressed qon personally because she thought it was a good idea to bash me in various threads without addressing me one on one.  I called her on it!!  I'll do it again!  I called her a liar because she lied in her responses.  

Yes, newbies do need an explanation if someone swoops down on them and attacks them for no good reason except they said they believe in God.  Anybody can go back and read anybody's posts to get a good idea about what they are all about.  I will educate whomever to explain why they are being shredded just because they say they are a believer.  One newbie got qon's number right quick last week, and qon didn't respond to her anymore. However, there are newbies that have just as much right to post whatever they feel, without the verbal sarcasm. Everybody on here deserves to be heard if we believe like they do or not, without being called names, put downs, cursed at, etc.

Jordondog, your on ignore so I don't know your responses, and won't go back to read them.....that's just how it is.

Sheryl, the Bible says we are brothers and sisters if we do the will of the Father.  Not everyone in the world is our brother or sister.  What agreement has light with darkness?  How can two walk together unless they agree? There are children of perdition.  We do fight the enemy of our souls, or do you not believe that?  You don't have to answer.

I came back into D&D because I was defending a friend.  However, she can defend herself just fine.

To qon:  Expect to get the same kind of treatment you dish out to me. That's a promise!

Amy, you don't believe in God as we believe that He is Jesus (God manifested in the flesh). You do not believe in Jesus at all, that's what Jcribb was saying. She was not disrespecting you.

I read one of Mackenzies post a couple weeks ago, and she said something like, she had been away for months and came back to see what was up, and it was the same negative crap (her words).  I'm going to have to agree. Time to do something else.

No matter what is said back and forth......we do not agree, and will not.  That's the bottom line.  I won't change your mind, and you won't change mine.  There comes a time when you realize there is nothing left to do, but shake the dust off, wash your hands of it, and move on.

[Annella]

jcribb:   I've been sick off & on and hadn't been on FC much so I missed something, apparently.  I think if newbies or anyone else has a gripe with how qon is "speaking" to them then they either need to take it up with qon and if that doesn't settle it then try Admin or the "ignore" button.  There's only been 1 person that I had warned newbies to stay away from and that is because whatever had been going on there was just wasting everyone's time and was an emotional drain on many.  Unless someone is really doing something wildly crazy...I do not think anyone has the right to be telling newbies anything about other members right on the forum.  Here's ONE post I saw today and it bothered me:

Trebor and Willie......come in here any time you want and say what you want.  This is your forum also.  qon is a miserable woman who hates God, Bible, etc.  Oh wait, she confesses to be an Atheist.  She spends her time putting down Christians, and those who believe in His existence and the Bible.  While a lot of people don't believe that way, they are courteous about it.  qon has not learned the common art of manners.

 It's one thing to welcome a newbie, another to do "THAT".  I have never been under the impression that QON is miserable.  If she ever posted as such, I missed that too.  I don't believe I ever seen qon post that she "hated God", I only have seen her post that she didn't believe in God.  So what if she says she's an atheist?  EVERYONE is entitled to be what they choose.  So what if she spends time putting down Christians?  Christians on this forum have spent a considerable amount of time themselves putting down atheists & everyone else BUT themselves.  The ending sentence was the "clincher" for me: "qon has not learned the common art of manners".  I don't believe it was "good manners" to post something like that for "newbies" to see as a "welcome".  I don't believe that post says "courtesy, shows maturity or the love of God.   I don't think Annella means to come across as "holier than thou", but she does.  I love her, but I don't enjoy reading most of her posts when they start getting innaccurate or hateful.  I don't believe a Christian or any other person has to be treated like a doormat anywhere in life but I think if they truly have the love of God in their hearts then it should always show in their words, actions and attitude.  "idiots, not in reality, make-believe security blankets etc." ---is our God NOT BIGGER than this?  "God's Word" and what is in it doesn't apply to qon while she's an atheist, she doesn't believe in it.  You can't force her to adhere to priciples in a faith she wants nothing to do with...that's not fair.  Have you ever read or seen the book/movie "The Cross & the Switchblade"?  Nicky Cruz was a tough guy.  David Wilkerson was a Christian/preacher.  Nicky Cruz threatened to kill David if he came near him.  David didn't go nuts and start spewing how Nicky was evil, wicked, filthy and vile.  What David said was "Yeah, you could do that. You could cut me up into a thousand pieces and lay them in the street, and every piece will still love you".  THAT was the LOVE I've been talking about.  If a Christian doesn't have the LOVE of GOD inside them, they don't have much.  David Wilkerson eventually brought Nicky Cruz to the Lord and what a testimony he has.  He has accomplished great things for the Lord.  I don't know about you & Annella but I sure would love to see everyone on the FC forum someday in heaven-- but it's never going to happen if our God is so small that we can't be overcomers of this.  ***Note: I HATE having to say when I have a problem with how another Christian is posting but for me to see what has been posted and to not say anything gives all other non-believers the impression that because I said nothing then I must be in agreement when I surely am not.  I know Annella isn't perfect, I know I surely am not perfect.  When I see something that "bugs" me, I am going to say something...it's the honest thing to do.  I did notice that Annella had a number of posts that were "different" from the "mud-slinging" before and some were very informative or helpful as well so I'm not saying her posts aren't appreciated...only that it's a fine line we start walking when we start imitating a non-believer's behavior.

Sheryl, your certainly entitled to your opinion, but you are not my spiritual authority and you don't or have not gotten all the facts.  You don't have to be in agreement.  If you want to give them a platform to continue their blasphemy of everything a Christian holds dear, then go ahead.....I will not. So, I suppose your on here to receive all the accusations, name calling, put downs, calling our God a sky daddy, blasphemies, etc., and turn the other cheek?  Okay, good for you.  I no longer want to give the enemy the time and place to blaspheme my God that I hold precious.   

You know, it's real funny how you can go back and pull my posts out of context, and not pull qon's posts backbiting me for no reason at all, shredding newbies, ect. That's what I called her on.  You don't think that's a good welcome for newbies, but to shred them verbally because they wrote one sentence that they believed in God is a good welcome?  Since when am I forcing my Faith on her? That's not true.  My problem is her lack of manners, name calling, cursing, etc.

As a matter of fact, one newbie did stand up to her, and then qon didn't post to her anymore.  If you had been sick and don't know everything that's been said in other threads leading up to this, then how can you judge me? Again, you are not my spiritual authority, and have no right to judge me on anything.  God judges me, and believe me, I don't get away with anything.

Idiots, not in reality, security blankets?  What are you talking about?  I never said those words.

Since you don't enjoy reading my posts Sheryl, there's an ignore button for anybody who wants to use it.

Your post last time, and this time, makes me realize that I shouldn't have come back in here. I cannot take plates of blasphemy and garbage and smile while I eat it and say....yummmm this is good!  Go ahead if you want to, but it's not for me.  My zeal and passion for God will always be there and nothing can dampen it......nothing! 

[sflynt]

Sheryl, your certainly entitled to your opinion, but you are not my spiritual authority and you don't or have not gotten all the facts.  You don't have to be in agreement.  If you want to give them a platform to continue their blasphemy of everything a Christian holds dear, then go ahead.....I will not. So, I suppose your on here to receive all the accusations, name calling, put downs, calling our God a sky daddy, blasphemies, etc., and turn the other cheek?  Okay, good for you. always be there and nothing can dampen it......nothing!  

& ETC.      W-O-W Annella, you outdid yourself with this one, truly.  I never claimed to be your "spiritual authority", CLEARLY you are your own.  I don't give anyone a platform to do anything, FC has given the forum to EVERYBODY regarless of how they "believe" or "don't".  QON is just 1 person with accusations, name calling, put downs, calling our God a sky daddy, blasphemies, etc.  ALL of this and more happens in the REAL world---I can't help but wonder how in the world you can handle it out there if one person doing so little on a on-line forum can "bring out the devil" like that in you.  I didn't "pull your post out of context", I pulled it for what it was---"distasteful".  I also pulled it "line by line" so if it was "out of context" somehwere, feel free to clarify and clear up the "real meaning" for everyone.  Not everyone has good manners, some people do participate in name calling, cursing, etc.  It's been my experience that this is how the majority of the world IS.  Do you really expect to make a difference in the world by doing the same as well?  If a newbie had a problem with qon and called her on it...and then qon didn't respond back---I would call that "problem solved", WHY don't you?  Quote from Annella:" Idiots, not in reality, security blankets?  What are you talking about?  I never said those words".  Ok, here's one of the reasons everyone is having such a problem with you.  I NEVER SAID you said those words, my post was to jcribb...do ya see "jcribb" at the beginning of that post? I know all about the "ignore" button Annella and because I serve a BIG & MIGHTY God and actually have the faith to back  that up---I don't need to use an "ignore" button.  (I don't think God uses one either.)   God gives me all the strength I need to "deal" on a forum.  lol.  I wasn't trying to dampen your "zeal & passion for God", just trying to get you to realize that there should be some "LOVE of God" in your heart to go with it!!

 

[Annella]

Sheryl, the Bible says we are brothers and sisters if we do the will of the Father.  Not everyone in the world is our brother or sister.  What agreement has light with darkness?  How can two walk together unless they agree? There are children of perdition.  We do fight the enemy of our souls, or do you not believe that?  You don't have to answer.

 The Bible says we all are made of the same stuff---"All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again."  Ecc 3:20 and that Adam & Eve were the first humans from where all humans come, even Jesus' genealogy is traced back to Eve.  So yes, we are ALL related.  (We can have our "sisters & brothers in Christ" but what does that really mean when many of those "sisters & brothers in Christ" aren't authentic Christians and know more about "lip-service" than having a personal relationship with the Lord?)  There is no agreement with light & darkness,however in John 8:12 Jesus Himself says He is the light of the WORLD, Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."  Since noone is born "walking in the Light", I would assume you were once in darkness?  I would also assume it was a Christian that showed you the Light?  If that Christian had been so obsessed with "what agreement light has with darkness", I wonder where would you be today?  I'm not sure what the "walking together" has to do with anything, we are on a forum.  If you don't want to go where people of all sorts of beliefs & non-beliefs "walk" then there are other topics to post in besides d&d however, it's not an all-Christian group that treads through there either.  Yes I do believe we fight the enemy of our souls.  I also think we give the enemy way too much credit and we are a big enemy to ourselves all by ourself.  You act like it's all over and anyone that doesn't believe or believe like you do can just go to hell right now, and that is NOT your call to make.  Not now---not ever.   It's an odd attitude for an Christian to have let alone an evangelist too, btw.  This might just be a "forum" and  I would expect QON to despise my gutts.  I still pray for her and will continue to pray for her until either God finds a way to prove Himself to her or the day I die, whichever comes first. ( If a Christian doesn't pray for her...WHO will?)  Someday, I expect to find her in Heaven.  As long as a person is breathing, there is still hope.  A Christian that believes in fighting the enemy for souls doesn't just give up on a person that doesn't believe the way they do and let the enemy have them!  qon isn't really guilty of anything except of having been deceived by the enemy and various false christians which has put her in the place she is in TODAY.  God loves qon just as much as He loves anyone else on this earth, God doesn't have any favorites.  Hate from a non-Christian toward a Christian is to be expected.  Hate from a Christian right back toward a non-Christian is unacceptable.  I would also say that the way you respond to the others with various beliefs haven't been so pleasant either.  This isn't the first time you've managed to stir up a bee's nest in the forum, MANY have called you on it.  If there wasn't a problem there with your personal self...this wouldn't be.  just say'in..

You are certainly entitled to your opinion Sheryl.  However, you have no idea what is in my heart. In fact, your posts are nothing but critical.  No, you are not my spiritual authority, and I do have a "head" over me.  Your posting about my being my own authority certainly opens up that you yourself have a problem with spiritual authority.  

I do not participate in name calling, and cursing, and I take great offense of you accusing me of it.

I've read how you have had so many problems with your neighbors and so on, you have posted many posts about how your Christian friends did not treat you right, and so and so right, and on and on.  You, my dear, have a critical spirit against your own brothers and sisters, and everybody else.  I have to call it as I see it.  Take the mote out of your own eye, before you try to remove it from mine.  

Btw, God does have an ignore button, He most certainly says he will ignore the prayers and pleadings of the wicked at times.  Read your Bible. There is a goodness and a severity to God. Do you know that God said "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated"?  Because of the reprobate and idolatry Esau fell into and taught his house to do, God cut him off. Yes, God is Love, but also he is just. Hate is an emotion just like love, anger, kindness, etc, and God gave them all to us.  There is a time to hate and a time to love?

I hate every blasphemy that is thrown out.  It vexes my spirit.  Maybe you are different or it doesn't affect you like it does me. God is everything to me, and I will defend His Name, Supreme King that He is! You are correct about one thing.  I came in here to defend another Christian and got caught up in the "mess" again.  I regret that.  Easily remedied.

You feel you should pray for qon, by all means, we are to pray for those that are lost. How do you know I don't pray for her too?  See, you have made a lot of assumptions that you really don't know. We are to pray for those who despitefully use us, who offends us.  By doing so, we reap a blessing. I pray for all on here, but that's actually between me and my personal time with God.  Since you felt like you should chide me, I wanted to let you know that you are making assumptions that you don't really know.

I do want to address one thing, because I've been accused of it over and over, and somehow you have picked it up and accused me of it also.  I never had said that if people don't believe as I do, they will go to hell...never have I said that.  What I have said, is if people neglect the plan of Salvation which is in the Bible, there is a hell to look forward to.  With it, you also insulted my position as an Evangelist with this accusation.

Now, again, you are entitled to your opinion Sheryl.  

[Annella]

I do want to answer this after going back and reading your post again.  You criticized me not being able to stand the blasphemies, cursings, etc., in the real world.  Sometimes people blaspheme because they don't know any better.  They have never know Christ, and are doing it ignorantly.  It's different.  However, even if someone was doing it ignorantly in a church service, they would be asked to leave. What I'm saying is that we overlook that because they don't know any better, and have never come to the knowledge of Christ.

Now...those on here that blatantly blasphemes DELIBERATELY, have been professed former Christians. They know what they are doing, and do it with deliberate spite, and full knowledge. The Bible calls someone like that a reprobate. I agree. That kind of filth and blasphemy comes from nothing else but a bitter reprobate heart and spirit.  Now.....there are some on here who believes in a God who is doing it ignorantly.  Others are not.