I don't believe in the Devil or Hell

[jcribb16]

Yes, qon, it makes me sad that you aren't seeing your true destiny, either.  In the long run, who does it hurt, anyway, accepting the Lord?    If you think there's no God and you die and go back to dust and that's it, then no one's been done in because they are dead and that's it. However, for those that do believe in the Lord, when they die, they are eternally happy in heaven with God and angels and loved ones who also are there, while nonbelievers, when they die, will forever regret not making that eternal choice.  Instead, they will be forever in that burning place of punishment.
In short, leave people alone who want to accept the Lord as Savior. If they don't choose to believe (like you) then that's their/your choice. Either way, it's personal and it's their business.

[Falconer02]

In short, leave people alone who want to accept the Lord as Savior. If they don't choose to believe (like you) then that's their/your choice. Either way, it's personal and it's their business.

Then maybe christians should mind their own business? That's our whole point here. It isn't the nonbelievers who are constantly seen running around "spreading the good word" on this god with this rude philosophy that they hold most dear.

[jcribb16]

In short, leave people alone who want to accept the Lord as Savior. If they don't choose to believe (like you) then that's their/your choice. Either way, it's personal and it's their business.

Then maybe christians should mind their own business? That's our whole point here. It isn't the nonbelievers who are constantly seen running around "spreading the good word" on this god with this rude philosophy that they hold most dear.

I am minding my business, Falconer.  I accept the Lord, you don't.  That's our choices.  I'm not in these forums telling people to get their act together and accept the Lord now. I'm not in here cutting down your beliefs either and calling them stupid or delusional names either.  That's not my business to do that.  But I am in here debating and discussing our differences in eternity because this is a forum for that. 

I'm not pushing anyone to make a choice - I'm trying to give answers to your challenging questions and ask you questions for your answers (as we were doing in a previous thread.) It's when posters get mean, intimidating, name-calling, etc. over the way someone believes as a Christian, that the Christians stand up for their belief in the Lord and defend it or defend others (especially newbies that are just trying to share what they believe or join in with a statement or a question.) I have seen way more of you and qon getting sarcastic and mean to Christians and newbies than I've seen Christians getting mean and sarcastic to you and her, unless provoked.

[kezalter]

Yes, qon, it makes me sad that you aren't seeing your true destiny, either.  In the long run, who does it hurt, anyway, accepting the Lord?  

You mean...besides this?

I have to say, in defense of Falconer and queenofnines, they seem willing to talk to anyone regardless of their beliefs, and they seem egalitarian in how they will treat them.  Others on here have made it clear that they need to infer a million things about what I personally believe before they determine how or even if they want to talk to me.  The words in my posts aren't enough, they need to know if I'm a "believer" in exactly the same way as them or I may not be worth a response.  Falconer and qon have never laid out prerequisites before deciding if I or anyone else is worth their time, at least not that I've seen.  I've only been around a few months, though.

[jcribb16]

Yes, qon, it makes me sad that you aren't seeing your true destiny, either.  In the long run, who does it hurt, anyway, accepting the Lord?  

You mean...besides this?

I have to say, in defense of Falconer and queenofnines, they seem willing to talk to anyone regardless of their beliefs, and they seem egalitarian in how they will treat them.  Others on here have made it clear that they need to infer a million things about what I personally believe before they determine how or even if they want to talk to me.  The words in my posts aren't enough, they need to know if I'm a "believer" in exactly the same way as them or I may not be worth a response.  Falconer and qon have never laid out prerequisites before deciding if I or anyone else is worth their time, at least not that I've seen.  I've only been around a few months, though.

They are both friendly in other threads. They are also great at debating certain things. I have enjoyed debating with them before.  I don't have a problem with that.  It's only when they cut people for their belief in God with demeaning comments, sarcasm, etc. that I don't like or appreciate. One of them, in particular, really likes to do this type of thing instead of discussing it.  Who wants to discuss a religious/non-religious subject with someone who doesn't want to discuss but cut-down and cut-off and try to make you look stupid for believing like you do?  That is what I am meaning.

[amyrouse]

Yes, qon, it makes me sad that you aren't seeing your true destiny, either.  In the long run, who does it hurt, anyway, accepting the Lord?  

You mean...besides this?

Who wants to discuss a religious/non-religious subject with someone who doesn't want to discuss but cut-down and cut-off and try to make you look stupid for believing like you do?

I've had this happen to me before, and it was not qon or Falconer who did this to me...just sayin'.

Everyone gets heated when it comes to religion; some handle it differently.  Just because someone shares the belief that g-d exists with me doesn't mean that they haven't cut me down or belittled me because I interpret what is written differently.

That segues into my next comment about who it hurts when someone believes in g-d.  The simple belief itself isn't harmful, but the actions people take on behalf of their belief in the interpretation of what is written.  For example, I do not believe homosexuality is sinful, but many others do, and because others do they vote in a way that is discriminatory and act differently toward people who are homosexual.  People pass judgment on the lives of others (while saying they love the sinner but hate the sin) in the ways they act toward people who are homosexual and in the things that have become acceptable everyday conversation.  Don't like something; it must be gay.  Kids were kicked down the stairs and bullied because they are effeminate, well those boys should man up because everyone has been bullied and maybe they shouldn't act so gay. 

Believe it or not, like it or not, everyone's religion plays a dominant part of how they act, especially toward others.  I think it is this type of action that Falconer and qon have such a hard time with.  Forgive me if I'm wrong, Falc and queen. 

[Silverxjp3012]

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[mstachitus]

In short, leave people alone who want to accept the Lord as Savior. If they don't choose to believe (like you) then that's their/your choice. Either way, it's personal and it's their business.

Then maybe christians should mind their own business? That's our whole point here. It isn't the nonbelievers who are constantly seen running around "spreading the good word" on this god with this rude philosophy that they hold most dear.

I kind of disagree.  Though christians are trying to spread their various forms of doctrine, "non-believers" are doing the same thing, just in a different tone.  I have had atheistic views pushed on to me time and time again (not necessarily by anyone here), just as often, in fact, as religious ones.

Both sides try to sell their points equally as often.

[Annella]

Yes, qon, it makes me sad that you aren't seeing your true destiny, either.  In the long run, who does it hurt, anyway, accepting the Lord?  

You mean...besides this?

Who wants to discuss a religious/non-religious subject with someone who doesn't want to discuss but cut-down and cut-off and try to make you look stupid for believing like you do?

I've had this happen to me before, and it was not qon or Falconer who did this to me...just sayin'.

Everyone gets heated when it comes to religion; some handle it differently.  Just because someone shares the belief that g-d exists with me doesn't mean that they haven't cut me down or belittled me because I interpret what is written differently.

That segues into my next comment about who it hurts when someone believes in g-d.  The simple belief itself isn't harmful, but the actions people take on behalf of their belief in the interpretation of what is written.  For example, I do not believe homosexuality is sinful, but many others do, and because others do they vote in a way that is discriminatory and act differently toward people who are homosexual.  People pass judgment on the lives of others (while saying they love the sinner but hate the sin) in the ways they act toward people who are homosexual and in the things that have become acceptable everyday conversation.  Don't like something; it must be gay.  Kids were kicked down the stairs and bullied because they are effeminate, well those boys should man up because everyone has been bullied and maybe they shouldn't act so gay. 

Believe it or not, like it or not, everyone's religion plays a dominant part of how they act, especially toward others.  I think it is this type of action that Falconer and qon have such a hard time with.  Forgive me if I'm wrong, Falc and queen. 

Amy......Christians do not kick gays down stairs or bully gays because they are gay.  However, I vote the dictates of my heart as a Christian.  I don't go to the polls to vote with a vendetta against any group of people.  My Christianity does have an effect on how I vote on some issues (I'm conservative).  I believe what the Bible says, and line my life up to it as much as possible.  That's my right as an American Citizen, and everybody else Amy....believer in God or non.  You cannot post that how we vote is not acceptable, because the law says we can vote how ever we want....so can you.  You have posted this voting thing before and how it upsets you.  Use your energy to change what you don't like. That's what my church does.

Whatever hard time anybody (falconer, qone, etc.) has with anything posted on this forum, they are welcome to post a rebuttal or whatever......with manners.  However, that has not been the case. The Christians on here don't call names, belittle, or call people stupid, for not believing.  I find it hilarious that a lot gets swept under the rug what is said to believers on here, but we are accused of not acting like how Christians should.  If we stand up for anything that is said against us, then we aren't walking the "walk".

Who's judging who Amy?

[jcribb16]

Quote from Amy:
I've had this happen to me before, and it was not qon or Falconer who did this to me...just sayin'.

That's fine and well!  I'm speaking of my experience and others' experience with them on here on this certain subject.

[amyrouse]

Annella, you're just continuing to take what a person posts and twist it to what you want to say.  How was anything I said judgmental?  Please, take your own advice and get over yourself.  Try fully reading what a person posts before you jump all over them.  This is the second time you've done this to me unprovoked.  Christians don't kick gay people down stairs?  Try again.  They may not fit the ideal of what you may perceive to be Christian, but many of them claim the religion.  Are they "True Christians?" Not for me to decide.  I'm not a Christian, however, the majority of this country is.  Do the math.

Jcribb, I was agreeing with you that people don't want to discuss topics with people who cut down and belittle them.  I was not trying to cut you down with my post, but just add another dimension to the issue.  Please don't have any hard feelings with me regarding that.  I have nothing but the highest respect for you as a person, otherwise I would not talk with you outside this forum.   

[Annella]

When it comes to Heaven or Hell, there is no gray area.  You either accept the Lord or you don't.  What is so hard to believe about that?  

It's VERY hard to believe.  And not for some b.s., inane reason like I want to go boink a bunch of random guys while simultaneously shooting up coke and eating babies.  It's very hard to believe because your dogma shoots itself in the foot.  A "loving, just" god is going to torture me FOREVER just because I wasn't impressed by the piece of toast he appears in as "proof" of his existence?  But the rapist who murdered your mother?  He's cool, because god doesn't give a damn about your ACTIONS, only your beliefs.  A PERFECT god would not need nor demand worship, etc. etc.  This is not me being a defiant brat, this is logical reality.  

You people are playing one hell of a dangerous game of make believe.  You believe this world is not how it actually appears but is instead some kind of twisted test where those who fail will roast for eternity and those who pass will get Disneyland.  This is pure fantasy and delusion and it makes me very sad for humanity.

It would be a very scary world were living in if your god were actually true.

There is a Hell to avoid, and a Heaven to gain.  I'm indecent for telling it like it is?  So be it!

Yes you're being indecent because what you're selling is a fraud and is extremely detrimental both on an individual and societal level.

For one thing, I'm NOT selling anything but the Word of God.....and that is free to anybody, which YOU don't believe in anyway.

Go back and read your post and pick out all the belittling words you used above, and this is one of your tamer posts.  I'll go pull some that will just about fry the hair.  

You ARE being a defiant brat!  You said it yourself many times that you were once a Christian.  Now all you can do is spew out hate against a loving God, and those who love Him.  You call our Christianity b.s., inane, God doesn't give a damn, He appears as a piece of toast as proof of His Deity, our belief is fantasy and delusional, we are selling a fraud, we are detrimental to individuals, and society.

Just because you decided to turn your back on God, is not our fault!!  Get it??  Your hate and animosity comes through loud and clear. You like to swoop down on people and try to verbally shred them.  Especially newbies.  A newbie yesterday put you in your place when you blasted them for no reason.  You even belittled them for being a newbie, and shouldn't have any opinion because they were new.  Who do you think you are?

The challenge still stands.  One on one...you and me.  No religion, no evolution, nothing.  You have "slammed" me to others without really addressing me.  Here's your chance.  Let's get this taken care of once and for all. I'd like to ask that everybody else let us do this one on one.

You come down on Jcribb when she tells the truth.  You belittle her posts when she clearly has one "upped" you on something.  You turn around and tear up her posts bit by bit.  You accuse her of posting sites, and definitions to words, to clearly explain her response, but you just tear her up some more, pointing fingers for the same things you have done in your posts. That's a double standard!  You have posted some very nasty things about me without actually posting to me. That's a backbiter. You want to say something about me?  Say it to me.

You told someone recently.....I can't deal with 2 Annella's.  Okay.....here I am....the original!  

[Annella]

Annella, you're just continuing to take what a person posts and twist it to what you want to say.  How was anything I said judgmental?  Please, take your own advice and get over yourself.  Try fully reading what a person posts before you jump all over them.  This is the second time you've done this to me unprovoked.  Christians don't kick gay people down stairs?  Try again.  They may not fit the ideal of what you may perceive to be Christian, but many of them claim the religion.  Are they "True Christians?" Not for me to decide.  I'm not a Christian, however, the majority of this country is.  Do the math.

Jcribb, I was agreeing with you that people don't want to discuss topics with people who cut down and belittle them.  I was not trying to cut you down with my post, but just add another dimension to the issue.  Please don't have any hard feelings with me regarding that.  I have nothing but the highest respect for you as a person, otherwise I would not talk with you outside this forum.  

I'm not jumping on you.  I was answering a post about voting and being a Christian.  Amy, I think you take things a bit too personal.  There's nothing in my post that you should take offense of.  

However, when I take offense, it's pretty clear.  Right now I've taken offense to some very personal pointed attacks from qon that I'm addressing right now.  If you would like, we can discuss this later.  However, you are reading in things that are not there.

The phrase of "passing judgement" was used by you, and I was only addressing such. Yes, I know you are not a Christian.  You and I have had extensive posts on what the Bible says about homosexuals, the phrase "hate the sin, but love the sinner" was mine.  Excuse me for making a connection that I thought was there.

I can't "twist" words that are clearly inserted into your post.

[amyrouse]

Try reading what I wrote again, Annella.

That segues into my next comment about who it hurts when someone believes in g-d.  The simple belief itself isn't harmful, but the actions people take on behalf of their belief in the interpretation of what is written.  For example, I do not believe homosexuality is sinful, but many others do, and because others do they vote in a way that is discriminatory and act differently toward people who are homosexual.  People pass judgment on the lives of others (while saying they love the sinner but hate the sin) in the ways they act toward people who are homosexual and in the things that have become acceptable everyday conversation.  Don't like something; it must be gay.  Kids were kicked down the stairs and bullied because they are effeminate, well those boys should man up because everyone has been bullied and maybe they shouldn't act so gay. 

Believe it or not, like it or not, everyone's religion plays a dominant part of how they act, especially toward others.  I think it is this type of action that Falconer and qon have such a hard time with.  Forgive me if I'm wrong, Falc and queen. 

Do you own the words "love the sinner but hate the sin" because you should be receiving royalties on them if you do.  I've heard them countless times by countless people. 

But, please, twist that, too, in such a way that you can sleep better tonight knowing that you're right and I'm wrong.  Allow me to quote you here: I'm done.

[Annella]

Try reading what I wrote again, Annella.

That segues into my next comment about who it hurts when someone believes in g-d.  The simple belief itself isn't harmful, but the actions people take on behalf of their belief in the interpretation of what is written.  For example, I do not believe homosexuality is sinful, but many others do, and because others do they vote in a way that is discriminatory and act differently toward people who are homosexual.  People pass judgment on the lives of others (while saying they love the sinner but hate the sin) in the ways they act toward people who are homosexual and in the things that have become acceptable everyday conversation.  Don't like something; it must be gay.  Kids were kicked down the stairs and bullied because they are effeminate, well those boys should man up because everyone has been bullied and maybe they shouldn't act so gay.  

Believe it or not, like it or not, everyone's religion plays a dominant part of how they act, especially toward others.  I think it is this type of action that Falconer and qon have such a hard time with.  Forgive me if I'm wrong, Falc and queen.  

Do you own the words "love the sinner but hate the sin" because you should be receiving royalties on them if you do.  I've heard them countless times by countless people.  

But, please, twist that, too, in such a way that you can sleep better tonight knowing that you're right and I'm wrong.  Allow me to quote you here: I'm done.

Amy, what in the world is wrong with you?  You are making a mountain out of a molehill.  I was answering your post.  You are absolutely reading something into this that is not there. It's silly. Okay, be done...I think that's a good choice at this point....shalom.

Amy, we disagree on a lot, and it comes out in our posts, but I thought you had better understanding than this.  

I do want to say this....no matter how falconer or qon acts towards any Christians post, it can be done without cutting them down, belittle the Christian, call them names, degrade their Faith, etc.  There is no excuse for that kind of behavior, no matter if they are unbelievers.  We as Christians don't do it to them.....so I'm going to have to disagree with your above post concerning them.