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Re: I don't believe in the Devil or Hell
« Reply #360 on: February 11, 2011, 07:47:30 am »
You just insulted my Christianity, and called it witchcraft.  That was pretty low.  

 ::)  You're so oppressed, I know!

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You are mean.

Yes, Falconer is so mean, that's why he paid me one of the nicest compliments of my life when he first met me and barely knew me.  A year of knowing ya now, Falc!   :wave:
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Re: I don't believe in the Devil or Hell
« Reply #361 on: February 11, 2011, 09:31:31 am »
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I really could care less what you deem annoying or a nuisance, when I'm bearing witness to the Holy Scriptures.

Because we all know that the Phelps approach always works perfectly when spreading what one deems a good message.

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falconer, you are not looking for answers so get off the finger pointing and accusation that I'm not doing my mission according to your specs.  You have said you don't believe.  Not you or anybody tells me how to go about my Father's business, except my Father!

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The Bible is black and white, yea or nay.  Your frustration is unfounded because all I'm doing is living what preach. It won't change.

Nothing in life is ever black and white. The fact that you preach that at your age is what I'm trying to grasp.

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You just insulted my Christianity, and called it witchcraft.  That was pretty low.  You are mean.

Considering this thread is where it originated, I thought it was pretty obvious that this was aimed at your undying belief in 'faith-healing' witchcraft. Because that's exactly what it is.
"Witchcraft, in historical, anthropological, religious and mythological contexts, is the alleged use of supernatural or magical powers."  - Wiki
« Last Edit: February 11, 2011, 09:35:26 am by Falconer02 »

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Re: I don't believe in the Devil or Hell
« Reply #362 on: February 11, 2011, 09:37:29 am »
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Yes, Falconer is so mean, that's why he paid me one of the nicest compliments of my life when he first met me and barely knew me.  A year of knowing ya now, Falc! 

 :D Yay!


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Re: I don't believe in the Devil or Hell
« Reply #363 on: February 11, 2011, 03:48:27 pm »
You just insulted my Christianity, and called it witchcraft.  That was pretty low.  

 ::)  You're so oppressed, I know!

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You are mean.

Yes, Falconer is so mean, that's why he paid me one of the nicest compliments of my life when he first met me and barely knew me.  A year of knowing ya now, Falc!   :wave:

Birds of a feather for sure......
« Last Edit: February 11, 2011, 04:13:25 pm by Annella »

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Re: I don't believe in the Devil or Hell
« Reply #364 on: February 11, 2011, 04:10:11 pm »
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I really could care less what you deem annoying or a nuisance, when I'm bearing witness to the Holy Scriptures.

Because we all know that the Phelps approach always works perfectly when spreading what one deems a good message.

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falconer, you are not looking for answers so get off the finger pointing and accusation that I'm not doing my mission according to your specs.  You have said you don't believe.  Not you or anybody tells me how to go about my Father's business, except my Father!

 :confused1:

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The Bible is black and white, yea or nay.  Your frustration is unfounded because all I'm doing is living what preach. It won't change.

Nothing in life is ever black and white. The fact that you preach that at your age is what I'm trying to grasp.

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You just insulted my Christianity, and called it witchcraft.  That was pretty low.  You are mean.

Considering this thread is where it originated, I thought it was pretty obvious that this was aimed at your undying belief in 'faith-healing' witchcraft. Because that's exactly what it is.
"Witchcraft, in historical, anthropological, religious and mythological contexts, is the alleged use of supernatural or magical powers."  - Wiki

What???  My age has nothing to do with anything, or how I think or believe.  I found God at 19 years old, and I still serve Him. 

YES, I believe in every word of the Bible!  Always will.  My God lives and deals in the supernatural.  Again, what I find funny, is if you don't believe in God, why should it matter to you if someone else does?  Why is it so important to tear them down verbally, degrade their intelligence, and all around "slam" them because their belief is different than yours?

Admonishing me how I deliver my message is calling the kettle black mister, considering how you and your troop go about posting to Christians.

Like I said before.........waste of time.


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Re: I don't believe in the Devil or Hell
« Reply #365 on: February 11, 2011, 04:30:31 pm »
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The fact that you preach that at your age is what I'm trying to grasp.


What is wrong with preaching at "your age?"  If people reach a certain age are they supposed to hole up and die?  There's no age involved when someone is witnessing for the Lord.

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Re: I don't believe in the Devil or Hell
« Reply #366 on: February 11, 2011, 05:37:50 pm »
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Birds of a feather for sure......

We're good pals!

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What???  My age has nothing to do with anything, or how I think or believe.
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What is wrong with preaching at "your age?"  If people reach a certain age are they supposed to hole up and die?  There's no age involved when someone is witnessing for the Lord.

I was under the impression that as one gets older, it's easier to see and understand the things around them moreso than simple B+W reasonings which is practically all you throw out in your arguments. It's like you've never even heard of the gray area. Maybe you have, but you don't even acknowledge it because it can crumble your base of beliefs.

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Again, what I find funny, is if you don't believe in God, why should it matter to you if someone else does?  Why is it so important to tear them down verbally, degrade their intelligence, and all around "slam" them because their belief is different than yours?

Magical thinking can be extremely dangerous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0JPRqjTp6Y&feature=related (7:48)
Considering you've fallen for faith-healing mysticism, I'm just trying to move around and figure out what leads one to fall for such obvious hogwash. That, and I'm trying to explain that going around 'advertising' a b+w choice (eternal happiness or punishment) is really not a good way to preach your beliefs. People don't like to hear that-- no matter what you think, you are cursing them. It's indecent to everyone. This aspect is more of a heads-up rather than me trying to provoke an argument. That's all.

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Admonishing me how I deliver my message is calling the kettle black mister, considering how you and your troop go about posting to Christians.

Admittedly I have been harsh at random times, I'm just calling out the major problems with what's being presented before the group runs with it. As others have pointed out, you tend to just take any variable personally and nuke the thread with emotional drama.

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Like I said before.........waste of time.

That's the christian spirit! lol
« Last Edit: February 11, 2011, 05:50:55 pm by Falconer02 »

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Re: I don't believe in the Devil or Hell
« Reply #367 on: February 11, 2011, 05:52:37 pm »
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What???  My age has nothing to do with anything, or how I think or believe.

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What is wrong with preaching at "your age?"  If people reach a certain age are they supposed to hole up and die?  There's no age involved when someone is witnessing for the Lord.

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I was under the impression that as one gets older, it's easier to see and understand the things around them moreso than simple B+W reasonings which is practically all you throw out in your arguments. It's like you've never even heard of the gray area. Maybe you have, but you don't even acknowledge it because it can crumble your base of beliefs.


Falconer, I acknowledge the gray area.  However, when I put my faith (trust) in God, that means that I have unshakeable belief in God over the "gray area."   But, once again, age has nothing to do with any of this as God can use anyone to be His testimony.  


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Re: I don't believe in the Devil or Hell
« Reply #368 on: February 11, 2011, 06:23:57 pm »
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Birds of a feather for sure......

OK The Devil and is real I can tell you that but hell I don't know about javascript:void(0);


We're good pals!

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What???  My age has nothing to do with anything, or how I think or believe.
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What is wrong with preaching at "your age?"  If people reach a certain age are they supposed to hole up and die?  There's no age involved when someone is witnessing for the Lord.

I was under the impression that as one gets older, it's easier to see and understand the things around them moreso than simple B+W reasonings which is practically all you throw out in your arguments. It's like you've never even heard of the gray area. Maybe you have, but you don't even acknowledge it because it can crumble your base of beliefs.

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Again, what I find funny, is if you don't believe in God, why should it matter to you if someone else does?  Why is it so important to tear them down verbally, degrade their intelligence, and all around "slam" them because their belief is different than yours?

Magical thinking can be extremely dangerous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0JPRqjTp6Y&feature=related (7:48)
Considering you've fallen for faith-healing mysticism, I'm just trying to move around and figure out what leads one to fall for such obvious hogwash. That, and I'm trying to explain that going around 'advertising' a b+w choice (eternal happiness or punishment) is really not a good way to preach your beliefs. People don't like to hear that-- no matter what you think, you are cursing them. It's indecent to everyone. This aspect is more of a heads-up rather than me trying to provoke an argument. That's all.

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Admonishing me how I deliver my message is calling the kettle black mister, considering how you and your troop go about posting to Christians.

Admittedly I have been harsh at random times, I'm just calling out the major problems with what's being presented before the group runs with it. As others have pointed out, you tend to just take any variable personally and nuke the thread with emotional drama.

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Like I said before.........waste of time.

That's the christian spirit! lol

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Re: I don't believe in the Devil or Hell
« Reply #369 on: February 11, 2011, 07:19:03 pm »
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Birds of a feather for sure......

We're good pals!

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What???  My age has nothing to do with anything, or how I think or believe.
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What is wrong with preaching at "your age?"  If people reach a certain age are they supposed to hole up and die?  There's no age involved when someone is witnessing for the Lord.

I was under the impression that as one gets older, it's easier to see and understand the things around them moreso than simple B+W reasonings which is practically all you throw out in your arguments. It's like you've never even heard of the gray area. Maybe you have, but you don't even acknowledge it because it can crumble your base of beliefs.

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Again, what I find funny, is if you don't believe in God, why should it matter to you if someone else does?  Why is it so important to tear them down verbally, degrade their intelligence, and all around "slam" them because their belief is different than yours?

Magical thinking can be extremely dangerous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0JPRqjTp6Y&feature=related (7:48)
Considering you've fallen for faith-healing mysticism, I'm just trying to move around and figure out what leads one to fall for such obvious hogwash. That, and I'm trying to explain that going around 'advertising' a b+w choice (eternal happiness or punishment) is really not a good way to preach your beliefs. People don't like to hear that-- no matter what you think, you are cursing them. It's indecent to everyone. This aspect is more of a heads-up rather than me trying to provoke an argument. That's all.

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Admonishing me how I deliver my message is calling the kettle black mister, considering how you and your troop go about posting to Christians.

Admittedly I have been harsh at random times, I'm just calling out the major problems with what's being presented before the group runs with it. As others have pointed out, you tend to just take any variable personally and nuke the thread with emotional drama.

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Like I said before.........waste of time.

That's the christian spirit! lol

When it comes to Heaven or Hell, there is no gray area.  You either accept the Lord or you don't.  What is so hard to believe about that?  The Bible puts it in a black and white stance concerning Salvation. You might find someone who can water it down for you, but that's not me.  I will give account if I warned humanity or not.  There is a Hell to avoid, and a Heaven to gain.  I'm indecent for telling it like it is?  So be it!

Now what I believe is hogwash?  Yes, it is the Christian Spirit to turn away from such obvious disrespect for God or His people, and the blasphemy that you like to dish out.  Waste of time!


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Re: I don't believe in the Devil or Hell
« Reply #370 on: February 11, 2011, 08:08:43 pm »
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What???  My age has nothing to do with anything, or how I think or believe.

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What is wrong with preaching at "your age?"  If people reach a certain age are they supposed to hole up and die?  There's no age involved when someone is witnessing for the Lord.

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I was under the impression that as one gets older, it's easier to see and understand the things around them moreso than simple B+W reasonings which is practically all you throw out in your arguments. It's like you've never even heard of the gray area. Maybe you have, but you don't even acknowledge it because it can crumble your base of beliefs.


Falconer, I acknowledge the ****gray area.  However, when I put my faith (trust) in God, that means that I have unshakeable belief in God over the "gray area."   But, once again, age has nothing to do with any of this as God can use anyone to be His testimony.

****To rephrase the "gray area":  I acknowledge it according to how you see it.  However, to a Christian, there is no gray area.  It's heaven or hell, no in-between.
 



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Re: I don't believe in the Devil or Hell
« Reply #371 on: February 11, 2011, 10:35:10 pm »
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When it comes to Heaven or Hell, there is no gray area.  You either accept the Lord or you don't.  What is so hard to believe about that?  The Bible puts it in a black and white stance concerning Salvation. You might find someone who can water it down for you, but that's not me.  I will give account if I warned humanity or not.  There is a Hell to avoid, and a Heaven to gain.  I'm indecent for telling it like it is?  So be it!

Do you realize that the reason you believe these things are because of little tiny organisms you can't see? They're called Body Thetans. They're lost souls of aliens who attach and cluster themselves around you and make you believe in crazy wacky things like this. The only way you can get rid of these things is to join my church and get a reading. If not, you'll wander this life completely void of any individualism and-- oh wait. This sounds pretty insane! Ah well. It's the only way to present it! I'm telling it like it is!

There's a reason scientologists don't tell people stuff like this right off the bat. Please think about the connection I'm trying to make.

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Now what I believe is hogwash?  Yes, it is the Christian Spirit to turn away from such obvious disrespect for God or His people, and the blasphemy that you like to dish out.  Waste of time!

Faith Healing? Totally! It's a scam and it's dangerous. After doing the research, it's much worse than hogwash and the fact that you were presenting it as truth is very scary. If that's disrespectful and "blasphemous", sorry. It's still 110% fake and surprisingly still a problem in the present. If you still think it's really legit, it says a lot about your ability to be reasonable-- I imagine you'll pull the faith card to this statement, but at this point it's nothing more than obvious self deception if you hold this witchcraftery as legit.   -..-
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Re: I don't believe in the Devil or Hell
« Reply #372 on: February 11, 2011, 11:10:59 pm »
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When it comes to Heaven or Hell, there is no gray area.  You either accept the Lord or you don't.  What is so hard to believe about that?  The Bible puts it in a black and white stance concerning Salvation. You might find someone who can water it down for you, but that's not me.  I will give account if I warned humanity or not.  There is a Hell to avoid, and a Heaven to gain.  I'm indecent for telling it like it is?  So be it!

Do you realize that the reason you believe these things are because of little tiny organisms you can't see? They're called Body Thetans. They're lost souls of aliens who attach and cluster themselves around you and make you believe in crazy wacky things like this. The only way you can get rid of these things is to join my church and get a reading. If not, you'll wander this life completely void of any individualism and-- oh wait. This sounds pretty insane! Ah well. It's the only way to present it! I'm telling it like it is!

There's a reason scientologists don't tell people stuff like this right off the bat. Please think about the connection I'm trying to make.

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Now what I believe is hogwash?  Yes, it is the Christian Spirit to turn away from such obvious disrespect for God or His people, and the blasphemy that you like to dish out.  Waste of time!

Faith Healing? Totally! It's a scam and it's dangerous. After doing the research, it's much worse than hogwash and the fact that you were presenting it as truth is very scary. If that's disrespectful and "blasphemous", sorry. It's still 110% fake and surprisingly still a problem in the present. If you still think it's really legit, it says a lot about your ability to be reasonable-- I imagine you'll pull the faith card to this statement, but at this point it's nothing more than obvious self deception if you hold this witchcraftery as legit.   -..-

Nope....not gonna pull any card, or run in this circle with you anymore.......goodbye.

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Re: I don't believe in the Devil or Hell
« Reply #373 on: February 12, 2011, 04:16:00 am »
Sometimes not believing in something doesn't make it not true. I have lots of things I don't want to believe right now.

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Re: I don't believe in the Devil or Hell
« Reply #374 on: February 12, 2011, 05:24:51 am »
When it comes to Heaven or Hell, there is no gray area.  You either accept the Lord or you don't.  What is so hard to believe about that?  

It's VERY hard to believe.  And not for some b.s., inane reason like I want to go boink a bunch of random guys while simultaneously shooting up coke and eating babies.  It's very hard to believe because your dogma shoots itself in the foot.  A "loving, just" god is going to torture me FOREVER just because I wasn't impressed by the piece of toast he appears in as "proof" of his existence?  But the rapist who murdered your mother?  He's cool, because god doesn't give a damn about your ACTIONS, only your beliefs.  A PERFECT god would not need nor demand worship, etc. etc.  This is not me being a defiant brat, this is logical reality.  

You people are playing one hell of a dangerous game of make believe.  You believe this world is not how it actually appears but is instead some kind of twisted test where those who fail will roast for eternity and those who pass will get Disneyland.  This is pure fantasy and delusion and it makes me very sad for humanity.

It would be a very scary world were living in if your god were actually true.

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There is a Hell to avoid, and a Heaven to gain.  I'm indecent for telling it like it is?  So be it!

Yes you're being indecent because what you're selling is a fraud and is extremely detrimental both on an individual and societal level.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2011, 05:27:27 am by queenofnines »
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