The New Dollar Coins in Circulation Now......Heads Up!!

[Annella]

The new dollar coins are out and yup! you guessed it....."In God We Trust" has been removed!  When did this get passed?  How did it come about?  Was it tacked onto another "Bill" that had nothing to do with it?

The minute we cut out "God" in anything we are asking for trouble.  I know there will be those that disagree. Why do you think God blesses America?  The Christians that pray for those lost, and our country everyday, the fact that we are a defender of Israel, and we acknowledge the ever helping hand of the Almighty. The Bible tells of the fall of civilizations and people's when they turned from God and worshipped Idols, men, and Mammon.

Our country is in trouble, and we would all be amazed how much into it we are at present.  Frankly, I'm about ready to "cash in" myself and go home.  The Bible says that when the Church (people of God) cry for the Lord to come......He will come.  Guess what I've been praying lately?

[kezalter]

Teddy Roosevelt wanted to get rid of "In God We Trust" from the money because he thought it was extremely disrespectful...not to people, but to God.  He said it was sacrilegous to put God's name on money, and urged Congress to not make it a law to command its use on currency.

Much like the phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, "In God We Trust" did not become required on all currency until the 1950s.  The reason was that mentioning God in the Pledge and on the money was intended to be a way to separate the US from the "godless Commies" of the Soviet Union.

The Cold War is over.  If the country got by for almost 200 years without legally requiring God's name to be printed on our money, why would we be inviting trouble if we went back to pre-Cold War practices?

[Annella]

Teddy Roosevelt wanted to get rid of "In God We Trust" from the money because he thought it was extremely disrespectful...not to people, but to God.  He said it was sacrilegous to put God's name on money, and urged Congress to not make it a law to command its use on currency.

Much like the phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, "In God We Trust" did not become required on all currency until the 1950s.  The reason was that mentioning God in the Pledge and on the money was intended to be a way to separate the US from the "godless Commies" of the Soviet Union.

The Cold War is over.  If the country got by for almost 200 years without legally requiring God's name to be printed on our money, why would we be inviting trouble if we went back to pre-Cold War practices?

It's obvious you don't know the Bible.  This is just one of many things that are happening to, and "in" our country (USA) to bring it to it's end.  I won't argue Bible with anyone if they don't believe the Word.  However, this is just one of the accumulated things that are happening to remove God from our daily lives, and our Nation as a whole.

Why is it that we won't allow God in our schools, but they can teach evolution?  How come Muslims can stop traffic during prayer time on the streets of the US, but let one of our Christian churches do the same, and we would be hauled off for unlawful assembly?

I have news for you.  We are still at war (not the cold war), in Afghanistan and Iraq.  We are still losing our young men and women on foreign soil.  Or did you forget about them?  I lost loved ones in previous wars so I can still enjoy the Freedoms I do today.  Their death paid a cost for not just me but everyone who loves Freedom, and will protect this Christian Nation and it's Freedoms.

We are in trouble because we are turning our backs on a God that has blessed this Nation because of our recognition of His Grace and Goodness, with acknowledging Him in our Pledge, Money, Freedoms, protecting Israel, and upholding Him as the Foundation this Nation was founded on.  There are those who want to reject Him, and that we are a Christian Nation.  They are welcome to it, but what will happen when all the Christians are gone (and they will be)?  Frankly, I don't want to be here when the man of perdition takes control.......so good luck!

Many Christians are realizing that our words are falling on deaf ears.  We are mocked and belittled because of what we believe.  We are now praying for Jesus to come and take us out of here.  The Bible said this would happen and it's happening.  We are tired.  We want to go home.

There's nothing sacriligous about putting "In God We Trust", "One Nation Under God", or any such thing on anything. It's to acknowledge who He is, and that He is the "Head" of all we have, and are thankful for.  Our Overseer, Defender, Protector......Our God.  Like I said, you don't know the Bible very well, or you would not make a statement like you did.  If old Teddy was alive, I'd tell him the same thing.  And if you want to get technical, God's Name is not "God".  "God" is His Title.

[lvstephanie]

I guess I don't mind whether our money has references to God or not, but what I do hate is how some people have become so intolerant of our country's history and too afraid to step on any toes of non-Christians. And it seems that lately the anti-religious go out of their way to antagonize the other side (mostly Christians). For example just recently our president has changed our national motto from "In God we trust" to "E Pluribus Unum" in a speech he gave: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJT_YtL2okc I have also heard of cities wanting to prevent churches from displaying nativity scenes during Christmas. Courthouses have removed the Ten Commandments (even if the reason for them is to show our governance under a rule of law in which no one is held above that law, similar to the way the commandments were a rule of law for the Hebrew people). Schools are probably the worst of the lot: preventing kids from wearing crucifix jewelry, being able to pray in school, to hold Bible (or some other religious) study clubs, or even wear red and green during the Christmas season (even though those colors have nothing to do with Christianity, but then again when some school won't even allow kids to wear patriotic items what should we expect).

People seem to forget that the constitution has two parts when it comes to religion: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" When government goes too far in trying to create a separation of church and state, they tend to make that "wall of separation" a wedge in which to create a secular populous. They go too far in trying not to impose any type of religion that they inadvertently (or maybe deliberately, for some anti-religious zealots) restrict people's right to freely express their own religious views.

If we were sincere in try to obliterate any mention of religion in government, then we should force Maryland to rename their state and change a whole slew of city names (like our state's capital of Saint Paul). Most of our courthouses would need to be stripped of any statue or painting depicting the Roman goddess Justitia (the blindfolded Lady Justice). Not to mention our iconic figure, Lady Liberty (ie the Statue of Liberty), which is the US's depiction of the Roman goddess Libertas. As you see, we really can go too far in trying to obliterate religious references without taking into consideration people's free expression nor our own history.

[Annella]

Well said Ivstephanie. 

[ktheodos]

Hm...interesting discussion....I haven't seen these new dollar coins yet, thanks for the heads up!

[kezalter]

It's obvious you don't know the Bible.  This is just one of many things that are happening to, and "in" our country (USA) to bring it to it's end.  I won't argue Bible with anyone if they don't believe the Word. 

I am a Christian and I keep four different copies of the Bible in my house.  My favorite version is the King James Bible.  It's obvious you didn't read nor care to put forth even a minimal effort to understand the actual point I was making had nothing to do with believing in the Bible or not, and everything to do with the history of the words "In God We Trust" and the fact that one can oppose those words being on our currency without being godless heathens.  I wasn't trying to "argue Bible" with you.

But if you want to go that route, you know what passage of the Bible I love?  "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things which are God's."  Jesus said this in direct reference to currency not having anything to do with God.

Also how narrow-minded are you that you think you can't discuss the Bible unless it's with someone who is a believer?  That is alarmingly bigoted of you to think that nobody's opinion matters unless they have the exact same religious belief as you.

Why is it that we won't allow God in our schools, but they can teach evolution?

God is religious theory and evolution is scientific theory.  I went to a public school and we were taught about religions and different religious beliefs.  No, they didn't read prayers over the PA system, but they did read the Pledge of Allegiance over it and yelled at anyone who didn't want to read along with it.  One of my classmates who got yelled at because he objected to being forced to say the words "under God" ended up enlisting in the army and getting killed in Iraq.  The school felt that saying "God" was more important than his personal beliefs, however.

How come Muslims can stop traffic during prayer time on the streets of the US, but let one of our Christian churches do the same, and we would be hauled off for unlawful assembly?

Strawman argument.

I have news for you.  We are still at war (not the cold war), in Afghanistan and Iraq.  We are still losing our young men and women on foreign soil.  Or did you forget about them?  I lost loved ones in previous wars so I can still enjoy the Freedoms I do today.  Their death paid a cost for not just me but everyone who loves Freedom, and will protect this Christian Nation and it's Freedoms.

Freedoms such as the freedom of every citizen to have his or her religious beliefs respected or at least tolerated.  These wars are not about whether "In God We Trust" belong on our currency, you're talking about something completely different to attach your political opinion with the troops and make me sound insensitive, but I have news for you: I have served two tours of duty in Iraq.  Don't condescend to me and claim I "forget" who is fighting the wars.

This nation has a Christian majority but it is not exclusively a "Christian nation" because we are ruled by law, not religious texts.  Even if some courthouses display the Ten Commandments, the Ten Commandments are not the official US law anywhere in the country.  The distinction is important, in both directions.  Not only is the government free from being controlled by any religion, but every religion is free from being controlled by the government.

We are in trouble because we are turning our backs on a God that has blessed this Nation because of our recognition of His Grace and Goodness, with acknowledging Him in our Pledge, Money, Freedoms, protecting Israel, and upholding Him as the Foundation this Nation was founded on.  There are those who want to reject Him, and that we are a Christian Nation.  They are welcome to it, but what will happen when all the Christians are gone (and they will be)?  Frankly, I don't want to be here when the man of perdition takes control.......so good luck!

A bunch of soothsaying and this doesn't have much to do with the original point you made or my response to it.

Many Christians are realizing that our words are falling on deaf ears.  We are mocked and belittled because of what we believe.  We are now praying for Jesus to come and take us out of here.  The Bible said this would happen and it's happening.  We are tired.  We want to go home.

Every religion knows people who mock and belittle what they believe.  Scientology is mocked and belittled, Islam is mocked and belittled, Hasidic Jews are mocked and belittled, and yes, so too are Christians.  But your initial complaint was about the government not including a certain phrase on every piece of currency, yet the country's politicians are overwhelmingly Protestant, so who is doing the mocking and the belittling here?

There's nothing sacriligous about putting "In God We Trust", "One Nation Under God", or any such thing on anything. It's to acknowledge who He is, and that He is the "Head" of all we have, and are thankful for.

All just your opinion, not fact.  Lots of people disagree.

Like I said, you don't know the Bible very well, or you would not make a statement like you did.  If old Teddy was alive, I'd tell him the same thing. 

Saying it doesn't make it true.  Please, show me where in the Bible the claim is made that the United States needs to have the phrase "In God We Trust" on our money in order for Christians to not feel oppressed.  You haven't quoted the Bible once but you don't let that stop you from saying "you don't know the Bible very well."  I could easily say "you don't know American history very well" because you have not once refuted my point about how those words ended up on our money in the first place, which had nothing to do with the Bible.

And if you want to get technical, God's Name is not "God".  "God" is His Title.

Yeah, I know.  Just like Christ is a title.  Just because I didn't have the exact same opinion as you in my reply don't assume that it means I don't know some of the same things you do.

[kezalter]

I guess I don't mind whether our money has references to God or not, but what I do hate is how some people have become so intolerant of our country's history and too afraid to step on any toes of non-Christians.

I agree with this and a lot of what you said(although I feel I should point out that "E Pluribus Unum" was the country's de facto motto until the '50s when it got replaced for the same Cold War reasoning as the currency change, but I think your point still stands that a president has to know better than to screw up our official motto).  I especially want to bang my head when Obama purposefully misquotes the Declaration of Independence to omit references to man's "Creator."  Too many people seem to think that the best way to show tolerance to some is by showing intolerance to others, and that's misguided and even dangerous.  Your examples were good but there's one that annoyed me even more: Recently in California kids got suspended for wearing red, white and blue at school during Cinco de Mayo celebrations.  How ridiculous is that?  Would they have gotten suspended for wearing those colors on St. Patrick's Day, too?

[Annella]

It's obvious you don't know the Bible.  This is just one of many things that are happening to, and "in" our country (USA) to bring it to it's end.  I won't argue Bible with anyone if they don't believe the Word.  

I am a Christian and I keep four different copies of the Bible in my house.  My favorite version is the King James Bible.  It's obvious you didn't read nor care to put forth even a minimal effort to understand the actual point I was making had nothing to do with believing in the Bible or not, and everything to do with the history of the words "In God We Trust" and the fact that one can oppose those words being on our currency without being godless heathens.  I wasn't trying to "argue Bible" with you.

But if you want to go that route, you know what passage of the Bible I love?  "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things which are God's."  Jesus said this in direct reference to currency not having anything to do with God.

Also how narrow-minded are you that you think you can't discuss the Bible unless it's with someone who is a believer?  That is alarmingly bigoted of you to think that nobody's opinion matters unless they have the exact same religious belief as you.

Why is it that we won't allow God in our schools, but they can teach evolution?

God is religious theory and evolution is scientific theory.  I went to a public school and we were taught about religions and different religious beliefs.  No, they didn't read prayers over the PA system, but they did read the Pledge of Allegiance over it and yelled at anyone who didn't want to read along with it.  One of my classmates who got yelled at because he objected to being forced to say the words "under God" ended up enlisting in the army and getting killed in Iraq.  The school felt that saying "God" was more important than his personal beliefs, however.

How come Muslims can stop traffic during prayer time on the streets of the US, but let one of our Christian churches do the same, and we would be hauled off for unlawful assembly?

Strawman argument.

I have news for you.  We are still at war (not the cold war), in Afghanistan and Iraq.  We are still losing our young men and women on foreign soil.  Or did you forget about them?  I lost loved ones in previous wars so I can still enjoy the Freedoms I do today.  Their death paid a cost for not just me but everyone who loves Freedom, and will protect this Christian Nation and it's Freedoms.

Freedoms such as the freedom of every citizen to have his or her religious beliefs respected or at least tolerated.  These wars are not about whether "In God We Trust" belong on our currency, you're talking about something completely different to attach your political opinion with the troops and make me sound insensitive, but I have news for you: I have served two tours of duty in Iraq.  Don't condescend to me and claim I "forget" who is fighting the wars.

This nation has a Christian majority but it is not exclusively a "Christian nation" because we are ruled by law, not religious texts.  Even if some courthouses display the Ten Commandments, the Ten Commandments are not the official US law anywhere in the country.  The distinction is important, in both directions.  Not only is the government free from being controlled by any religion, but every religion is free from being controlled by the government.

We are in trouble because we are turning our backs on a God that has blessed this Nation because of our recognition of His Grace and Goodness, with acknowledging Him in our Pledge, Money, Freedoms, protecting Israel, and upholding Him as the Foundation this Nation was founded on.  There are those who want to reject Him, and that we are a Christian Nation.  They are welcome to it, but what will happen when all the Christians are gone (and they will be)?  Frankly, I don't want to be here when the man of perdition takes control.......so good luck!

A bunch of soothsaying and this doesn't have much to do with the original point you made or my response to it.

Many Christians are realizing that our words are falling on deaf ears.  We are mocked and belittled because of what we believe.  We are now praying for Jesus to come and take us out of here.  The Bible said this would happen and it's happening.  We are tired.  We want to go home.

Every religion knows people who mock and belittle what they believe.  Scientology is mocked and belittled, Islam is mocked and belittled, Hasidic Jews are mocked and belittled, and yes, so too are Christians.  But your initial complaint was about the government not including a certain phrase on every piece of currency, yet the country's politicians are overwhelmingly Protestant, so who is doing the mocking and the belittling here?

There's nothing sacriligous about putting "In God We Trust", "One Nation Under God", or any such thing on anything. It's to acknowledge who He is, and that He is the "Head" of all we have, and are thankful for.

All just your opinion, not fact.  Lots of people disagree.

Like I said, you don't know the Bible very well, or you would not make a statement like you did.  If old Teddy was alive, I'd tell him the same thing.  

Saying it doesn't make it true.  Please, show me where in the Bible the claim is made that the United States needs to have the phrase "In God We Trust" on our money in order for Christians to not feel oppressed.  You haven't quoted the Bible once but you don't let that stop you from saying "you don't know the Bible very well."  I could easily say "you don't know American history very well" because you have not once refuted my point about how those words ended up on our money in the first place, which had nothing to do with the Bible.

And if you want to get technical, God's Name is not "God".  "God" is His Title.

Yeah, I know.  Just like Christ is a title.  Just because I didn't have the exact same opinion as you in my reply don't assume that it means I don't know some of the same things you do.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about putting the words "In God We Trust", I never said so.  But it does make reference in calling ourselves by the name of God, or stating our solidarity to whom we belong.  I have to find it, I think it's in Ezekiel where it says this.  I've looked for awhile in my Concordance, and can't seem to get the wording right to pull it up.....but I will.  It goes along the lines that we will call ourselves by the Name of the Lord and that we will put the name of our God on things we have......I'll find it.  It's been awhile since I've read it.

Okay I stand corrected Soldier.  I happen to be an Ordained Evangelist myself, so we both may have misunderstood each other.  I've had a lot of mocking and belittling aimed at me for being a Christian and standing up for my beliefs.  Even on this forum.  I refuse to argue the fine points of the Bible anymore.  

Rendering unto Ceasar (if you study it out), literally means what belongs to Ceasar (taxes, praying for our leadership, etc).  Money is referred to as mammon in the Bible.  We can not serve God and mammon both.  the Bible does say that money answereth ALL things, how to be diligent in business, spending habits, and good stewardship with our money.

What I was getting at was the tearing apart of the very fabric of what our Nation was founded on.  Christian principles, morals, and values.  We have watched little by little the unraveling of those very Christian foundations. Since this last election these actions have been escalated.  Hence the postings above ours. Our current President has no qualms about changing whatever he wants (like the above postings).  I teach Bible Prophecy (which you call soothsaying), and we are in the last of the last days.  Believe it or not.  I'm surprised and shocked, (as someone who keeps up with prophecy and studies it), how fast things are moving.  I had no idea that I would be seeing the things happen that I'm witnessing today.  We are out of time.  All I was saying that this move from God is in Bible prophecy.

Since to tout that you have various copies of the Bible in your possession does not make you a Christian.  I have 8 translations in my possession, plus various other religions books and teachings to try and understand why people believe what they believe.  Having the religious books or materials makes nobody a Christian.  Only a born again experience according to the Acts 2:38 message, and living for God everyday can make you Christ-like.

Calling my posting of the future events and the man of perdition of the end of days is not soothsaying.  All through the Bible it bears records of what will happen....and is happening today.  If your a Christian like you claim, how can you say the things you do?  Like the Bible is soothsaying?  One thing I want to address here is that we are to obey the laws of the land, but if that goes against God's law in our life, then we must adhere to God's law.  That's what rules every real Christian's life....or should.

I'm neither narrow minded or bigoted (your words).  Thank you for the name calling (shows real maturity).  did I call you names in order for you to feel free to do so?  I talk to literally thousands of people that are not my religion, and preach in their churches.  

The new dollar coin will spend like a dollar so go ahead and spend it.  I will not.  Call it a personal conviction if you will.  It's my own way of protesting one more change to take God out or off of anything.  No matter what it is.  If I get it in change, I'll politely ask for a paper dollar in exchange.  You are free to do what you want.  There is a religious bumper sticker on my car, various bible verses on my fridge and around my house.  I pledge to the Nation's, AND Christian's flag on July 4th, and whenever it merits.  Does that make me sacriligous?

And Christians are beginning to pray for God to take them out of here.  I'm seeing it wherever I go to minister.  It's actually fulfillment of prophecy in Revelation.

[kezalter]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about putting the words "In God We Trust", I never said so.  But it does make reference in calling ourselves by the name of God, or stating our solidarity to whom we belong.  I have to find it, I think it's in Ezekiel where it says this.  I've looked for awhile in my Concordance, and can't seem to get the wording right to pull it up.....but I will.  It goes along the lines that we will call ourselves by the Name of the Lord and that we will put the name of our God on things we have......I'll find it.  It's been awhile since I've read it.

You didn't say it in those words, but you did respond to my post by saying "It's obvious you don't know the Bible."  But the Bible doesn't take specific political stances on an issue like that so I don't see the relevance.

I also don't see how undoing something that happened only as recently as the 1950s, and is a rather innocuous change anyways, is a sign that this country is moving in one direction or another.  If we accept that the country was more Christian in its first hundred and fifty or so years, when the phrase in question was not required to be on all currency, then why would going back to such a state be a sign that we've lost our way?  I guess all I'm really saying is that you're making way too much of this because what our money says is not really reflective of the country's direction as a whole.

Since to tout that you have various copies of the Bible in your possession does not make you a Christian. 

True but I was responding to your saying I don't know the Bible and saying that I don't believe the word.  Neither of which are true.

What I was getting at was the tearing apart of the very fabric of what our Nation was founded on.  Christian principles, morals, and values.  We have watched little by little the unraveling of those very Christian foundations. Since this last election these actions have been escalated.  Hence the postings above ours. Our current President has no qualms about changing whatever he wants (like the above postings).  I teach Bible Prophecy (which you call soothsaying), and we are in the last of the last days.  Believe it or not.  I'm surprised and shocked, (as someone who keeps up with prophecy and studies it), how fast things are moving.  I had no idea that I would be seeing the things happen that I'm witnessing today.  We are out of time.  All I was saying that this move from God is in Bible prophecy.

Calling my posting of the future events and the man of perdition of the end of days is not soothsaying.  All through the Bible it bears records of what will happen....and is happening today.  If your a Christian like you claim, how can you say the things you do?  Like the Bible is soothsaying?  One thing I want to address here is that we are to obey the laws of the land, but if that goes against God's law in our life, then we must adhere to God's law.  That's what rules every real Christian's life....or should.

Different people interpret the same text different ways, and they interpret current events in different ways as well.  Different Christians have different beliefs about whether the world is near an end, or how to interpret parts of the Bible, and so on.  Every generation has had people claiming that the end times were near, including during the era in which the New Testament was written.  I didn't mean to seem disrespectful, just that I didn't see the connection between prophesying and what words are printed on our currency.

I agree about God's law trumping the law of the land.  I just don't see the two being in conflict on this specific issue.

I'm neither narrow minded or bigoted (your words).  Thank you for the name calling (shows real maturity).  did I call you names in order for you to feel free to do so?  I talk to literally thousands of people that are not my religion, and preach in their churches. 

I didn't really mean to call you bigoted, just that your stance about not discussing the Bible with non-believers seemed that way and narrow-minded.  The way you explained yourself in this post made me realize that I misunderstood what you meant, sorry about that.

I can't claim to be a very mature person, but it's something that I've been working to improve on for some time.

The new dollar coin will spend like a dollar so go ahead and spend it.  I will not.  Call it a personal conviction if you will.  It's my own way of protesting one more change to take God out or off of anything.  No matter what it is.  If I get it in change, I'll politely ask for a paper dollar in exchange.  You are free to do what you want.  There is a religious bumper sticker on my car, various bible verses on my fridge and around my house.  I pledge to the Nation's, AND Christian's flag on July 4th, and whenever it merits.  Does that make me sacriligous?

Only by some interpretations, but I don't have a problem with it either way.  All I know is that for atheists or Buddhists or others that don't have monotheistic faiths, they don't even have the option to choose to use some forms of currency over others if they don't like seeing what may look like the promotion of monotheism over their own beliefs.  You and I should be thankful that we have such a choice.

[Ittai]

wow!! i didn' t know till now that in God we trust has been remove! This is good discussion!

[Annella]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about putting the words "In God We Trust", I never said so.  But it does make reference in calling ourselves by the name of God, or stating our solidarity to whom we belong.  I have to find it, I think it's in Ezekiel where it says this.  I've looked for awhile in my Concordance, and can't seem to get the wording right to pull it up.....but I will.  It goes along the lines that we will call ourselves by the Name of the Lord and that we will put the name of our God on things we have......I'll find it.  It's been awhile since I've read it.

You didn't say it in those words, but you did respond to my post by saying "It's obvious you don't know the Bible."  But the Bible doesn't take specific political stances on an issue like that so I don't see the relevance.

I also don't see how undoing something that happened only as recently as the 1950s, and is a rather innocuous change anyways, is a sign that this country is moving in one direction or another.  If we accept that the country was more Christian in its first hundred and fifty or so years, when the phrase in question was not required to be on all currency, then why would going back to such a state be a sign that we've lost our way?  I guess all I'm really saying is that you're making way too much of this because what our money says is not really reflective of the country's direction as a whole.

Since to tout that you have various copies of the Bible in your possession does not make you a Christian.  

True but I was responding to your saying I don't know the Bible and saying that I don't believe the word.  Neither of which are true.

What I was getting at was the tearing apart of the very fabric of what our Nation was founded on.  Christian principles, morals, and values.  We have watched little by little the unraveling of those very Christian foundations. Since this last election these actions have been escalated.  Hence the postings above ours. Our current President has no qualms about changing whatever he wants (like the above postings).  I teach Bible Prophecy (which you call soothsaying), and we are in the last of the last days.  Believe it or not.  I'm surprised and shocked, (as someone who keeps up with prophecy and studies it), how fast things are moving.  I had no idea that I would be seeing the things happen that I'm witnessing today.  We are out of time.  All I was saying that this move from God is in Bible prophecy.

Calling my posting of the future events and the man of perdition of the end of days is not soothsaying.  All through the Bible it bears records of what will happen....and is happening today.  If your a Christian like you claim, how can you say the things you do?  Like the Bible is soothsaying?  One thing I want to address here is that we are to obey the laws of the land, but if that goes against God's law in our life, then we must adhere to God's law.  That's what rules every real Christian's life....or should.

Different people interpret the same text different ways, and they interpret current events in different ways as well.  Different Christians have different beliefs about whether the world is near an end, or how to interpret parts of the Bible, and so on.  Every generation has had people claiming that the end times were near, including during the era in which the New Testament was written.  I didn't mean to seem disrespectful, just that I didn't see the connection between prophesying and what words are printed on our currency.

I agree about God's law trumping the law of the land.  I just don't see the two being in conflict on this specific issue.

I'm neither narrow minded or bigoted (your words).  Thank you for the name calling (shows real maturity).  did I call you names in order for you to feel free to do so?  I talk to literally thousands of people that are not my religion, and preach in their churches.  

I didn't really mean to call you bigoted, just that your stance about not discussing the Bible with non-believers seemed that way and narrow-minded.  The way you explained yourself in this post made me realize that I misunderstood what you meant, sorry about that.

I can't claim to be a very mature person, but it's something that I've been working to improve on for some time.

The new dollar coin will spend like a dollar so go ahead and spend it.  I will not.  Call it a personal conviction if you will.  It's my own way of protesting one more change to take God out or off of anything.  No matter what it is.  If I get it in change, I'll politely ask for a paper dollar in exchange.  You are free to do what you want.  There is a religious bumper sticker on my car, various bible verses on my fridge and around my house.  I pledge to the Nation's, AND Christian's flag on July 4th, and whenever it merits.  Does that make me sacriligous?

Only by some interpretations, but I don't have a problem with it either way.  All I know is that for atheists or Buddhists or others that don't have monotheistic faiths, they don't even have the option to choose to use some forms of currency over others if they don't like seeing what may look like the promotion of monotheism over their own beliefs.  You and I should be thankful that we have such a choice.

I'm thankful for everything God has blessed me with.  Especially a Nation that gives me freedom of choice, and a God that does also.  Everybody has a choice.  As far as the Atheists, Buddhists, etc., they have chosen.  They have chosen not to believe in God, or they believe in a false God.

I believe through much study, and prayer, that we are in the last of the last days.  You disagree.....okay. Scripture is not hard to interpret, when you realize that scripture interprets scripture.  The more I study, the more I come to realize this fact.  There is no contradiction in the Bible as some people say. It's Truths are pretty plain, and laid out for anyone to understand them, if they want to really know the Truth.

Excuse me for saying this, and I don't mean any inference, but you don't talk like any established Christian I know.

[kezalter]

They've chosen their faiths, but they don't get to choose what's on their currency, not really.  Unless they want to leave but why should they have to face such an ultimatum in the land of the free?

No offense taken, I don't try to talk like anybody but myself.

[heartofphila]

well that sucks, money was a great way to advertise
God.

[queenofnines]

The new dollar coins are out and yup! you guessed it....."In God We Trust" has been removed!  When did this get passed?  How did it come about?  Was it tacked onto another "Bill" that had nothing to do with it?

lololol  YEEESSSS!  This is a step in the right direction!

Get with it, Annella; are you really so ignorant as to what our Constitution stands for...the government is not supposed to be endorsing any religion whatsoever, PERIOD.  If you want a theocracy, move to the Middle East, but this right here is a SECULAR country.

I find it hilarious that you are making a big fuss out of something that is ultimately meaningless.  You obviously feel very priveleged any time this country openly acknowledges a god, even though it is wrong to be doing so and is only happening because scared, superstitious, public pleasing officials allowed it to happen in the first place and some mistakes die hard.

The minute we cut out "God" in anything we are asking for trouble.

How is removing god where he/she/it shouldn't have ever been in the first place going to change ANYONE'S behavior who already believes??  You think a bunch of Christians are suddenly going to go, Oh snap, homie!  They took god off the money!  Heaven forbid!!!  Let's go rape and murder and steal now!!

Come on, even YOU aren't that illogical... or are you?

Why do you think God blesses America?

Oh Your Nonexistent God...you are soo spoiled and deluded!  Yes, let's all think we're special just because we were lucky enough to be born on a certain continent and into a family that wasn't poor.  Meanwhile, people who are a helluva lot more faithful and better believers than American Christians are starving every day, living in miserable conditions, and god NEVER answers their prayers.  You, my dear, worship a monster...an imaginary monster, but a monster nonetheless.  And you have the audacity to speak of how "blessed" you are just because the dice roll gave you the life you know?!  Get over yourself, you are incredibly full of it.