Regarding women not speaking in Church - LMAO

[marieelissa]

1 Corinthians 11:7
A man should not have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God.  But the woman is man's glory.
 

1 Corinthians 14:34
Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak.
 

1 Corinthians 14:35
If there is something they wish to know, they should ask their husbands at home, because it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in church.


1 Timothy 2:11-12
A woman should learn in silence and full submission.  I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man.  She must keep silent.
 

[Mickey001]

Cool!  I like the way you laid this out graphfically.  However, no matter what, even if the chucrh is on fire, the women must remain silent.  They should go down with the ship with everyone else in the church.  They must remain silent at all times!!   

[502mania]

can't wait to see the rationaliations for ths sexism.

[502mania]

BTW - did you make this?

[Annella]

Your taking scripture out of context again Marieelissa.

[shernajwine]

can't wait to see the rationaliations for ths sexism.

This statement has me thinking that anything anyone does to try and explain misinterpreted scripture, you will classify as a rationalization and not look at the presented explanation objectively.  

[sflynt]

I have always wondered about this.

My sister in law and her whole family are very religious and they believe that the woman is beneath the man. and to not argue or talk back to them. I'm sorry, but I do not agree! I'm curious though. and if anyone cares to interpret that, please do.

[shernajwine]

I have always wondered about this.

My sister in law and her whole family are very religious and they believe that the woman is beneath the man. and to not argue or talk back to them. I'm sorry, but I do not agree! I'm curious though. and if anyone cares to interpret that, please do.

On "keeping silent in church" - Women are more verbal than men, and when they get together, they tend to move from subject to subject. In the synagogues, the women were segregated from the men. If they had any questions on the worship or the teachings, they would have had to shout them over to the men, or discuss them among themselves, which would have resulted in an inability to maintain order. In addition, Paul emphasizes that his rules for church are given so that everything would be "done in a fitting and orderly way." (1 Corinthians 14:40)39  Disorderly communication, such as uninterrupted speaking in tongues, was also prohibited.40

On "not being permitted to teach" - Some interpret this passage to mean that women should never teach in the assembled church. However, commentators point out that Paul did not forbid women from ever teaching. Paul's commended co-worker, Priscilla, taught Apollos, the great preacher (Acts 18:24-26).41 In addition, Paul frequently mentioned other women who held positions of authority in the church. Phoebe worked in the church (Romans 16:1).8 Mary, Tryphena, and Tryphosa were the Lord's workers (Romans 16:6, 12).8 Paul was very likely prohibiting the Ephesian women, not all women, from teaching. To understand these verses (Ephesians 2:9-15), we must understand the situation in which Paul and Timothy worked. In first-century Jewish culture, women were not allowed to study. When Paul said that women should learn in quietness and full submission, he was offering them an amazing new opportunity. Paul did not want the Ephesian women to teach because they didn't yet have enough knowledge or experience. The Ephesian church had a particular problem with false teachers. Evidently, the women were especially susceptible to the false teachings (2 Timothy 3:1-9), because they did not yet have enough Biblical knowledge to discern the truth. In addition, some women were apparently flaunting their new-found Christian freedom by wearing inappropriate clothing (1 Timothy 2:9). Paul was telling Timothy not to put anyone (in this case, women) into a position of leadership who was not yet mature in the faith (1 Timothy 3:6). The same principle applies to churches today.

Many women don't like what the Bible says because it calls wives to "submit to their husbands."25 However, submission is not limited to wives submitting to their husbands. We are told to submit to God,26 governmental authorities,27 our boss,28 and leaders in the church.29 We are also told to submit to one another, which includes men submitting women and vice versa.30 God is a God of order. In a sinful world, submission to those in authority is the only way to maintain order. What form does this submission to authority take? In every instance where submission is called for wives, it is conditioned with the phrase "as to the Lord" or some other reference to Jesus Christ. The submission takes on the form of being in the will of God. If the husband asks the wife to do something outside the will of Christ, she is under no obligation to follow him. Accompanying each command for wives to submit to their husbands is the command for the husband to love his wife.31 In the book of Ephesians, this love is to be "just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her." Such a love is not one that dominates and subjugates another person, but a self-sacrificing love that will give up its own life for another's.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sexism.html

Hope that helps 

[sflynt]

I have always wondered about this.

My sister in law and her whole family are very religious and they believe that the woman is beneath the man. and to not argue or talk back to them. I'm sorry, but I do not agree! I'm curious though. and if anyone cares to interpret that, please do.

On "keeping silent in church" - Women are more verbal than men, and when they get together, they tend to move from subject to subject. In the synagogues, the women were segregated from the men. If they had any questions on the worship or the teachings, they would have had to shout them over to the men, or discuss them among themselves, which would have resulted in an inability to maintain order. In addition, Paul emphasizes that his rules for church are given so that everything would be "done in a fitting and orderly way." (1 Corinthians 14:40)39  Disorderly communication, such as uninterrupted speaking in tongues, was also prohibited.40

On "not being permitted to teach" - Some interpret this passage to mean that women should never teach in the assembled church. However, commentators point out that Paul did not forbid women from ever teaching. Paul's commended co-worker, Priscilla, taught Apollos, the great preacher (Acts 18:24-26).41 In addition, Paul frequently mentioned other women who held positions of authority in the church. Phoebe worked in the church (Romans 16:1).8 Mary, Tryphena, and Tryphosa were the Lord's workers (Romans 16:6, 12).8 Paul was very likely prohibiting the Ephesian women, not all women, from teaching. To understand these verses (Ephesians 2:9-15), we must understand the situation in which Paul and Timothy worked. In first-century Jewish culture, women were not allowed to study. When Paul said that women should learn in quietness and full submission, he was offering them an amazing new opportunity. Paul did not want the Ephesian women to teach because they didn't yet have enough knowledge or experience. The Ephesian church had a particular problem with false teachers. Evidently, the women were especially susceptible to the false teachings (2 Timothy 3:1-9), because they did not yet have enough Biblical knowledge to discern the truth. In addition, some women were apparently flaunting their new-found Christian freedom by wearing inappropriate clothing (1 Timothy 2:9). Paul was telling Timothy not to put anyone (in this case, women) into a position of leadership who was not yet mature in the faith (1 Timothy 3:6). The same principle applies to churches today.

Many women don't like what the Bible says because it calls wives to "submit to their husbands."25 However, submission is not limited to wives submitting to their husbands. We are told to submit to God,26 governmental authorities,27 our boss,28 and leaders in the church.29 We are also told to submit to one another, which includes men submitting women and vice versa.30 God is a God of order. In a sinful world, submission to those in authority is the only way to maintain order. What form does this submission to authority take? In every instance where submission is called for wives, it is conditioned with the phrase "as to the Lord" or some other reference to Jesus Christ. The submission takes on the form of being in the will of God. If the husband asks the wife to do something outside the will of Christ, she is under no obligation to follow him. Accompanying each command for wives to submit to their husbands is the command for the husband to love his wife.31 In the book of Ephesians, this love is to be "just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her." Such a love is not one that dominates and subjugates another person, but a self-sacrificing love that will give up its own life for another's.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sexism.html

Hope that helps 

Thank you Sherene!! It does help!! 

[Annella]

I'm really pressed for time, and want to do this question justice.  If you study Biblical history, the Corinthian church had many problems.  A lot of the women won over to Christ in this early church, were ex temple prostitutes that had married Christian men.  They were segregated, and sometimes yelled out to their husbands on the other side about an issue being made by the speaker.  Not done decently and in order.

I will come back and give you a long explanation on this in awhile what the Bible actually says about this.

I think it was Phillip(?) (help me out here Sherene) who had 4 daughters that prophesied (preached and taught). Deborah in the OT was an honored Judge by God.  There are many women that had high positions in the church, and were called the "Elect" women.

I really must go, but will be back and give further explanation if you want me to.  However, Sherene is very intelligent herself about these things, and what the Bible says.

[shernajwine]

sflynt~the website I linked to has a lot of stuff that helps explain things we often find confusing, plus lots of other information that's just interesting to read for the heck of it lol. When you have time you should peruse it 

Also I have found a lot of good information simply by typing my question in the search engine and seeing what pops up!