WTH happened in here?

[SurveyMack10]

(Thanks for answering my question jordandog, that was what I was wanting to know.)  So now I have more random questions for anyone....  This thread was started by walks, if his previous postings were so degrading to christians then why even join him here on THIS thread?   "downgrading, cussing, calling names, goading"  by non-believers to christians HAPPENS, it happens on forums and it happens in REAL LIFE---it ALWAYS will and alot of times I think it's because christians "bring it on" by their "baiting, egging it on, keeping it going, insulting un-believers intelligence, by judgmental & superior attitude, and yes  GOADING".  If not, they would simply quit wasting their time and walk away.  It doesn't seem like a wise choice to me for a Christian to keep going back when they know more WILL follow.  I've had Christian friends check out FC and they wanted nothing to do with FC at all period once they saw the forum.  They've asked me how I can be a Christian and post here because they don't believe it's a place where a Christian should be "wasting their time", or the comment "NO good Christian I know would have anything to do with this", and they've said alot worse so obviously they weren't impressed at all with ANY of the Christians on here.  I have started threads that were Christian-based, NONE of the non-believers went to that thread and caused any trouble---so I don't know why a christian would "park" on their threads and attack them.     Just something to think about.

To my experience when a Christian thread has been started here a select few atheists are quick to join in and begin degrading the belief. I have not seen anyone on here trying to convert someone to Christianity or trying to bash atheism, but I have seen plenty of others bash Christiany and try to convert Christians to atheism. The double standard is ridiculous...but I digress. A Christian thread has not been started on this forum since I've been here without it being overloaded with nonbelievers, and for the most part they don't want to debate or discuss they want to DEGRADE AND ATTACK.

[Annella]

(Thanks for answering my question jordandog, that was what I was wanting to know.)  So now I have more random questions for anyone....  This thread was started by walks, if his previous postings were so degrading to christians then why even join him here on THIS thread?   "downgrading, cussing, calling names, goading"  by non-believers to christians HAPPENS, it happens on forums and it happens in REAL LIFE---it ALWAYS will and alot of times I think it's because christians "bring it on" by their "baiting, egging it on, keeping it going, insulting un-believers intelligence, by judgmental & superior attitude, and yes  GOADING".  If not, they would simply quit wasting their time and walk away.  It doesn't seem like a wise choice to me for a Christian to keep going back when they know more WILL follow.  I've had Christian friends check out FC and they wanted nothing to do with FC at all period once they saw the forum.  They've asked me how I can be a Christian and post here because they don't believe it's a place where a Christian should be "wasting their time", or the comment "NO good Christian I know would have anything to do with this", and they've said alot worse so obviously they weren't impressed at all with ANY of the Christians on here.  I have started threads that were Christian-based, NONE of the non-believers went to that thread and caused any trouble---so I don't know why a christian would "park" on their threads and attack them.    Just something to think about.

Christians bring it on???  Christians are "baiting the unbelievers, and egging it on???  Insulting their intelligence with our judgmental and superior attitude???  We attacked them???  The Christians are goading the unbelievers???

Do you have blinders on, or do you actually believe what your accusing Christians in your post?  If you don't think it's a good place for Christians.....and believe we're wasting our time, why are YOU here then?

Just which F/C forum did your Christian friends check out?  There are more parts to this forum besides D&D.  Also, I've seen a lot of the nonbelievers go over to Off-Topic, etc, and post.  D&D is "enter at your own risk".  If your friends don't want to post here, there's plenty of other threads to post in.  So that little "jab" doesn't fly.

Now, not that I have to answer to you, but when my friends are being verbally shredded or being backed in a corner with verbal abuse, I will come to their defense.  I don't care who started the thread.  Also, I don't feel it's a waste of time to stand up and defend the Gospel, Jesus Christ, the Bible, OR our walk with God.  Not one Christian on this forum has started ANYTHING!  Or instigated an altercation against unbelievers.....EVER  Our posts are in answer to theirs.

Your rebuke is uncalled for. There's no substance to your accusations to believers/Christians on this forum.  In fact, you insulted us.  Thank you very much.

[Annella]

(Thanks for answering my question jordandog, that was what I was wanting to know.)  So now I have more random questions for anyone....  This thread was started by walks, if his previous postings were so degrading to christians then why even join him here on THIS thread?   "downgrading, cussing, calling names, goading"  by non-believers to christians HAPPENS, it happens on forums and it happens in REAL LIFE---it ALWAYS will and alot of times I think it's because christians "bring it on" by their "baiting, egging it on, keeping it going, insulting un-believers intelligence, by judgmental & superior attitude, and yes  GOADING".  If not, they would simply quit wasting their time and walk away.  It doesn't seem like a wise choice to me for a Christian to keep going back when they know more WILL follow.  I've had Christian friends check out FC and they wanted nothing to do with FC at all period once they saw the forum.  They've asked me how I can be a Christian and post here because they don't believe it's a place where a Christian should be "wasting their time", or the comment "NO good Christian I know would have anything to do with this", and they've said alot worse so obviously they weren't impressed at all with ANY of the Christians on here.  I have started threads that were Christian-based, NONE of the non-believers went to that thread and caused any trouble---so I don't know why a christian would "park" on their threads and attack them.     Just something to think about.

To my experience when a Christian thread has been started here a select few atheists are quick to join in and begin degrading the belief. I have not seen anyone on here trying to convert someone to Christianity or trying to bash atheism, but I have seen plenty of others bash Christiany and try to convert Christians to atheism. The double standard is ridiculous...but I digress. A Christian thread has not been started on this forum since I've been here without it being overloaded with nonbelievers, and for the most part they don't want to debate or discuss they want to DEGRADE AND ATTACK.

[jordandog]

All I was saying is that there are MANY threads where you, qon, and Walksalone have had conversations where we did not agree.  All of those threads have led up to this one.  This thread is not unique by a long shot as there are numerous threads with the same content of downgrading, cussing, calling names, goading, etc.  Get your facts straight because I never called anyone a swine.  Go back and read the thread. 

People can still read both of our posts and get a good idea what's been going on from the beginning.  However, you really stepped it up after I came back from the Philippines.  Unless you've gone back and deleted some of your posts?  I've actually saved, and printed off every one of such threads.

Get your facts straight because I never called anyone a swine.

Just who are you telling to get their facts straight? Me?! The remark about the swine (*below) was made by Walks, so do NOT tell me to get my facts straight, I was posting a direct quote. I don't need to go back and read the thread - I am the one who remembered it right off the bat without even thinking about it. Like I said, I have around 4 posts in it because I wanted nothing to do with what it turned into. You however are throughout the entire thread, so don't blame me for it and what it led to.

*Walks:« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2010, 08:54:52 pm » Message ID: 253826 Quote 
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Alright now!!! Y'all watch calling each other swine an such in here.....JC might put you in time out!
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Unless you've gone back and deleted some of your posts?

Seriously? You have a lot of nerve Annella to even remotely suggest that. I have never deleted a post on here and never will. You think I am not going to stand behind what I write? You have them all printed, so go and check off each one on your list against my post history if you are that obsessed with this.

I'll repeat myself one more time. Sheryl asked about a specific thread leading to this one. There may be a million other ones, but THIS one was the answer to THAT question.

You might want to rethink who is going to look the fool when comparing our posts against each other. Seems to me you are the one who has done the majority of stirring things up with everyone, not just me. You seem to have a huge amount of paranoia and feelings of being persecuted around here. You might want to take a serious look at where that is coming from because if you are strong enough in your beliefs, you really should NOT be bothering with the petty nitpicking and making implications that hold no water. It seems every post has some underlying meaning to you.  You see an 'anti-christian' message in just about all of them and that's a problem.

[Annella]

All I was saying is that there are MANY threads where you, qon, and Walksalone have had conversations where we did not agree.  All of those threads have led up to this one.  This thread is not unique by a long shot as there are numerous threads with the same content of downgrading, cussing, calling names, goading, etc.  Get your facts straight because I never called anyone a swine.  Go back and read the thread.  

People can still read both of our posts and get a good idea what's been going on from the beginning.  However, you really stepped it up after I came back from the Philippines.  Unless you've gone back and deleted some of your posts?  I've actually saved, and printed off every one of such threads.

Get your facts straight because I never called anyone a swine.

Just who are you telling to get their facts straight? Me?! The remark about the swine (*below) was made by Walks, so do NOT tell me to get my facts straight, I was posting a direct quote. I don't need to go back and read the thread - I am the one who remembered it right off the bat without even thinking about it. Like I said, I have around 4 posts in it because I wanted nothing to do with what it turned into. You however are throughout the entire thread, so don't blame me for it and what it led to.

*Walks:« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2010, 08:54:52 pm » Message ID: 253826 Quote  
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Alright now!!! Y'all watch calling each other swine an such in here.....JC might put you in time out!
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Unless you've gone back and deleted some of your posts?

Seriously? You have a lot of nerve Annella to even remotely suggest that. I have never deleted a post on here and never will. You think I am not going to stand behind what I write? You have them all printed, so go and check off each one on your list against my post history if you are that obsessed with this.

I'll repeat myself one more time. Sheryl asked about a specific thread leading to this one. There may be a million other ones, but THIS one was the answer to THAT question.

You might want to rethink who is going to look the fool when comparing our posts against each other. Seems to me you are the one who has done the majority of stirring things up with everyone, not just me. You seem to have a huge amount of paranoia and feelings of being persecuted around here. You might want to take a serious look at where that is coming from because if you are strong enough in your beliefs, you really should NOT be bothering with the petty nitpicking and making implications that hold no water. It seems every post has some underlying meaning to you.  You see an 'anti-christian' message in just about all of them and that's a problem.

I'll repeat MYSELF one more time so pay attention.  All I was saying is that there are more threads than this one, or the one you are referring to, that you and I have butt heads.  In fact, we don't agree on anything.....and never have. You have made it real plain that you don't believe in God or the Bible.  Since my life is centered around God and the Bible, we will NEVER agree.

Oh, you think I'll look the fool?  Well, I challenge anyone who wants to go back, and read our posts, and then put them together, make up their own mind, and who is stirring up what.  Obsession (as you put it) has nothing to do with it.  Truth is truth, and no implications of any kind have been made by me at all.  This is your same "oh I'm so innocent, and your misunderstanding what was written, blah blah blah".

I'll answer any post I want to if I deem it necessary.  No insults thrown out about my posting as petty or whatever is going to stop me.  Frankly, your the last person I need to provide any explanation to about how and what I post. I don't really give a rip if you like it or not.

[queenofnines]

There are countless members on this forum who are complete strangers to you. They read the posts, they look at your profile, why is it creepy to print the conversations and show to other people?

It is more weird than creepy.  I'm surprised that what some random people say on a $3/mo. forum would matter enough for people to actually take the time to print it out and do anything with it.  I'm aware that anyone can read it...it is actually good for people searching on search engines, perhaps they'll learn something.  But sorry, I just don't trust Annella not to manipulate what has been said on here in her favor, as evidenced by her childish reaction to my saying it is weird/creepy.

[queenofnines]

Why would I change what I wrote?

Oh heavens no, of course not what YOU wrote!

Your comments are especially funny to my group of young people.  One night they stood over my shoulder during one of my sessions online here.  We laughed until we cried.

You're a really bad liar, you know.  This is a classic tactic of a person fabricating events.  Young people stood over your shoulder while you visited a forum?  Are you a Catholic priest or something?  It's not that "my feelings" are hurt or anything, it's just this *bleep* is not believable.  If it really did happen, well...they are not too bright.

I use her postings to actually "teach" on the subject, and others.

So copy-pasting from bogus, unscientific sites wins the intelligence award in your book?  Okay then.   

Everyone likes her, and thinks she's one of the smartest people on here.  They're right.

Are you falsifying who you are on here?  Because you sound like you're 6, not 60.  "She's so smart and you're not!!"...come on now, that is extremely sad coming from an old woman.  I'm decades younger than you and am more mature.

[queenofnines]

Christians bring it on???  Christians are "baiting the unbelievers, and egging it on???  Insulting their intelligence with our judgmental and superior attitude???  We attacked them???  The Christians are goading the unbelievers???

Watch out, Sheryl.  Just because you're a believer, if you disagree with Annella, she'll bite your *bleep* head off.

Do you have blinders on, or do you actually believe what your accusing Christians in your post?  If you don't think it's a good place for Christians.....and believe we're wasting our time, why are YOU here then?

Wow, in her few short months here, Annella has just continued to take a downward spiral into being more and more of a *bleep*.

Your rebuke is uncalled for. There's no substance to your accusations to believers/Christians on this forum.  In fact, you insulted us.  Thank you very much.

Boo hoo?

[Annella]

There are countless members on this forum who are complete strangers to you. They read the posts, they look at your profile, why is it creepy to print the conversations and show to other people?

It is more weird than creepy.   forum would matter enough for people to actually take the time to print it out and do anything with it.  I'm aware that anyone can read it...it is actually good for people searching on search engines, perhaps they'll learn something.  But sorry, I just don't trust Annella not to manipulate what has been said on here in her favor, as evidenced by her childish reaction to my saying it is weird/creepy.

Well, I could care less if you trust me, only that God can trust me.  I would never manipulate anything because that would be lying.  Every word is verbatim.  What childish reaction would that be?  That I print postings off and use them as study materials?  Actually, I get my material from a hugh variety of sources. The postings here are just one of them.

qon said:

I'm surprised that what some random people say on a $3/mo.

Are you talking about yourself here?

[Annella]

Christians bring it on???  Christians are "baiting the unbelievers, and egging it on???  Insulting their intelligence with our judgmental and superior attitude???  We attacked them???  The Christians are goading the unbelievers???

Watch out, Sheryl.  Just because you're a believer, if you disagree with Annella, she'll bite your *bleep* head off.

Do you have blinders on, or do you actually believe what your accusing Christians in your post?  If you don't think it's a good place for Christians.....and believe we're wasting our time, why are YOU here then?

Wow, in her few short months here, Annella has just continued to take a downward spiral into being more and more of a *bleep*.

Your rebuke is uncalled for. There's no substance to your accusations to believers/Christians on this forum.  In fact, you insulted us.  Thank you very much.

Boo hoo?

Anytime someone resorts to name calling or cursing, they have nothing intelligent to contribute.  Call me a liar, I don't have to prove one thing to you Ms. know it all.

[queenofnines]

What childish reaction would that be?

Claiming that people laugh specifically at my posts, saying "bwahaha", etc.

Are you talking about yourself here?

Yes, yes I am.  I may get frustrated with some people and "sound superior" sometimes, but I know I am just a person you will probably never meet.  It's your choice to take anything I have to say into consideration, or not.  Only YOU have the power to let go of your superstitions...all I can do is challenge you.  If you truly wanted to be honest with your students, you would be using materials from people who make careers out of this stuff (Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins).

[Annella]

What childish reaction would that be?

Claiming that people laugh specifically at my posts, saying "bwahaha", etc.

Are you talking about yourself here?

Yes, yes I am.  I may get frustrated with some people and "sound superior" sometimes, but I know I am just a person you will probably never meet.  It's your choice to take anything I have to say into consideration, or not.  Only YOU have the power to let go of your superstitions...all I can do is challenge you.  If you truly wanted to be honest with your students, you would be using materials from people who make careers out of this stuff (Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins).

Now if I taught that drivel, I would be lying to my students.  You don't sound superior, you sound like a sailor, and nothing like a lady.

Yes, they do laugh at your posts and how "out there" you are.  They also laugh at some things others write too.  Nobody knows who you are, your real name, or what state you even live in.  

[shernajwine]

So copy-pasting from bogus, unscientific sites wins the intelligence award in your book?  Okay then

You know have made many implications in your statements to me and others about my intelligence or lack of it. So, I'm just going to ask you straight out. Do you think I am unintelligent?

If your answer is yes, what do you base this from? Merely my religious beliefs, or have I just somehow made myself look like a moron somewhere in here?

If the answer is no, then I would really appreciate if you would stop implying otherwise. Thank you.

And for anyone else who is interested, queen is referring to a website I refer to most often called godandscience.org, which is created by a scientist who happens to be a Christian.

Richard Deem earned his bachelor of science degree in biological sciences at the University of Southern California. He received his master of science degree in microbiology from California State University, Los Angeles, and has been working in basic science research since 1976. He has authored and co-authored a number of studies......... In addition, he has presented his work at a number of national and international scientific meetings.

He also references and links to other articles by other scientists writing about why evolution and atheism is wrong.

It is only deemed unscientific by those who refuse to open their eyes to the possibility they are wrong, so if they can say it isn't science, they feel justified in ignoring the information.

[jordandog]

All I was saying is that there are MANY threads where you, qon, and Walksalone have had conversations where we did not agree.  All of those threads have led up to this one.  This thread is not unique by a long shot as there are numerous threads with the same content of downgrading, cussing, calling names, goading, etc.  Get your facts straight because I never called anyone a swine.  Go back and read the thread.  

People can still read both of our posts and get a good idea what's been going on from the beginning.  However, you really stepped it up after I came back from the Philippines.  Unless you've gone back and deleted some of your posts?  I've actually saved, and printed off every one of such threads.

Get your facts straight because I never called anyone a swine.

Just who are you telling to get their facts straight? Me?! The remark about the swine (*below) was made by Walks, so do NOT tell me to get my facts straight, I was posting a direct quote. I don't need to go back and read the thread - I am the one who remembered it right off the bat without even thinking about it. Like I said, I have around 4 posts in it because I wanted nothing to do with what it turned into. You however are throughout the entire thread, so don't blame me for it and what it led to.

*Walks:« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2010, 08:54:52 pm » Message ID: 253826 Quote  
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Alright now!!! Y'all watch calling each other swine an such in here.....JC might put you in time out!
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Unless you've gone back and deleted some of your posts?

Seriously? You have a lot of nerve Annella to even remotely suggest that. I have never deleted a post on here and never will. You think I am not going to stand behind what I write? You have them all printed, so go and check off each one on your list against my post history if you are that obsessed with this.

I'll repeat myself one more time. Sheryl asked about a specific thread leading to this one. There may be a million other ones, but THIS one was the answer to THAT question.

You might want to rethink who is going to look the fool when comparing our posts against each other. Seems to me you are the one who has done the majority of stirring things up with everyone, not just me. You seem to have a huge amount of paranoia and feelings of being persecuted around here. You might want to take a serious look at where that is coming from because if you are strong enough in your beliefs, you really should NOT be bothering with the petty nitpicking and making implications that hold no water. It seems every post has some underlying meaning to you.  You see an 'anti-christian' message in just about all of them and that's a problem.

I'll repeat MYSELF one more time so pay attention.  All I was saying is that there are more threads than this one, or the one you are referring to, that you and I have butt heads.  In fact, we don't agree on anything.....and never have. You have made it real plain that you don't believe in God or the Bible.  Since my life is centered around God and the Bible, we will NEVER agree.

Oh, you think I'll look the fool?  Well, I challenge anyone who wants to go back, and read our posts, and then put them together, make up their own mind, and who is stirring up what.  Obsession (as you put it) has nothing to do with it.  Truth is truth, and no implications of any kind have been made by me at all.  This is your same "oh I'm so innocent, and your misunderstanding what was written, blah blah blah".

I'll answer any post I want to if I deem it necessary.  No insults thrown out about my posting as petty or whatever is going to stop me.  Frankly, your the last person I need to provide any explanation to about how and what I post. I don't really give a rip if you like it or not.

I never said that there were NOT more threads because they are a LOT of them.
Why no answer as to you telling ME to get MY facts straight when you are the one who seems unable to?
Why no acknowleding of your implying I might have deleted posts?
Why can't you answer to these things, especially when you seem to jump in and answer direct questions I pose to others and not to you on a regular basis? Do you do this when you are in a room full of people - answer even when YOU were not asked the question or your views on something?
Sheryl writes a post you don't like and you jump her? She went outside the party lines and you don't like it? You also didn't like the 2 people who cut me some slack, tried to tell you they didn't see what you see, and were encouraging to me either did you? I was more than willing to leave things alone as far as you and I go until I saw that YOU were never going to alllow that to happen.
Do you actually read your words before you post them because I see an awful lot of editing going on long after your initial posts are put up here. I ask becuase you trying to play innocent in all this is absolutely ridiculous and based on fantasy. That is what Sheryl was trying to get across and you did not like that one iota - why? Again, she crossed the 'party line' and voiced what she feels (which she has every right to do) and you didn't like that, did you? Is there NO view but your's on here that is acceptable?

[queenofnines]

Anytime someone resorts to name calling or cursing, they have nothing intelligent to contribute.

Aw, did I hurt your feelings by using a naughty word?  Sorry, but I live in the real world where people are not afraid to use certain words for emphasis on occasion.  You should put on your big girl panties rather than being self-righteous and skirting the issue, because there is nothing wrong with it.  You have proved by your posts that a person can be perfectly vile without using an expletive.

I like Richard Dawkins...I don't hear him calling people names or any of the stuff atheists on this forum do..something to take into consideration.

You obviously haven't seen/read much of his stuff then.  I can remember specifically when talking to a group of people at a lecture, he referred to those who deny evolution as unintelligent.  Instead of being so afraid of being called an ill name, why don't you analyze the accusation and see if the person is right.