Killing in the name of......

[amyrouse]

marie's statment rises questions to me. if god has a purpose for everyone, why does hell exist? and if he knows the future, why even allow the person that will do wrong in the world exist?

Keep reading that book, Chase.  You'll find the answers...to either believe or not, agree or not.  Its your ballgame, now.  Read it and make your own decisions and interpretations.  I know you haven't gotten to hell yet in the bible...so don't get ahead of yourself and keep reading!

[shernajwine]

marie's statment rises questions to me. if god has a purpose for everyone, why does hell exist? and if he knows the future, why even allow the person that will do wrong in the world exist?

Chase the websites I linked to talk about that. I don't know if you have looked at them yet but almost any question that has been asked in this forum, and by myself during my Christian experience is addressed there. But even a person who does wrong has a purpose. And really, we ALL do wrong. Hell exists for people who don't want to surrender their lives to God. They don't want Him, and they choose to live their life without Him.

God knows who will choose Him and who won't. But to suggest He not even create the ones who will reject Him is assuming things about God's character that are invalid for Christianity. And even the people who will go to hell because they didn't want God, will still serve a purpose in their life.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/destined.html
This particular page addresses this.

The page I linked to earlier is the main page that is indexed with many many other questions. If you haven't checked it out, please do. Even if you choose to reject what the writer is saying, I will at least know you are serious about finding answers.

[502mania]

I'm about to check the link you posted shern, but first let me ask you this. if god really sends people to hell, why create a life that will suffer? would you have a baby if you knew it would suffer his/her whole life?

[queenofnines]

Whoa a minute.....  chill out.........  why in the world would it matter to you so much?  Especially enough to YELL on here. Good grief - let him make up his own mind.  You're letting it get to you way too much....

And you criticizing the way I emphasize things is admirable?  No, no it isn't.  I realize sometimes I get carried away with the bolds and underlines and whatnot, but really all I'm trying to do is get people to see common sense.

It matters because you people actually BELIEVE in a god that mass murders people and MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIM, and I frankly do not want laypeople running around with an idea like that in their heads.  It's dangerous.

And don't try to say that I'm "thinking" for 502.  No, if you go back and read his first post, you'd realize I'm encouraging the critical thinking he's doing.  He's on the right track.  Believers on here, on the other hand, are the ones trying to talk 502 out of his sensible thinking by justifying/explaining away the horrible things Biblegod has done.

[502mania]

where hav youbeen QON?

[sflynt]

Chase the websites I linked to talk about that. I don't know if you have looked at them yet but almost any question that has been asked in this forum, and by myself during my Christian experience is addressed there. But even a person who does wrong has a purpose. And really, we ALL do wrong. Hell exists for people who don't want to surrender their lives to God. They don't want Him, and they choose to live their life without Him.

God knows who will choose Him and who won't. But to suggest He not even create the ones who will reject Him is assuming things about God's character that are invalid for Christianity. And even the people who will go to hell because they didn't want God, will still serve a purpose in their life.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/destined.html
This particular page addresses this.

  Thank you for posting that link, Sherene!

[jcribb16]

Whoa a minute.....  chill out.........  why in the world would it matter to you so much?  Especially enough to YELL on here. Good grief - let him make up his own mind.  You're letting it get to you way too much....

And you criticizing the way I emphasize things is admirable?  No, no it isn't.  I realize sometimes I get carried away with the bolds and underlines and whatnot, but really all I'm trying to do is get people to see common sense.

It matters because you people actually BELIEVE in a god that mass murders people and MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIM, and I frankly do not want laypeople running around with an idea like that in their heads.  It's dangerous.

And don't try to say that I'm "thinking" for 502.  No, if you go back and read his first post, you'd realize I'm encouraging the critical thinking he's doing.  He's on the right track.  Believers on here, on the other hand, are the ones trying to talk 502 out of his sensible thinking by justifying/explaining away the horrible things Biblegod has done.

I am so sorry for you and your not seeing reason here.  The bottom line is it's his business not yours.  He's being given info by both sides. No one has yelled about it but you.  I have to wonder if your particular beliefs are the dangerous ones.  I would, as a non-christian searching for answers, be freaked out by your odd ways of trying to scare people away from God.

[shernajwine]

I'm about to check the link you posted shern, but first let me ask you this. if god really sends people to hell, why create a life that will suffer? would you have a baby if you knew it would suffer his/her whole life?

If I had the foreknowledge of my children's lives I would see much more than just their suffering. I would see the purpose in it. Just like God saw the purpose in my own sufferings when I couldn't. Just like He continues to see past my current sufferings and I make it through my day with joy and peace despite the storm I have to go through, because of hope.

[jcribb16]

I'm about to check the link you posted shern, but first let me ask you this. if god really sends people to hell, why create a life that will suffer? would you have a baby if you knew it would suffer his/her whole life?

If I had the foreknowledge of my children's lives I would see much more than just their suffering. I would see the purpose in it. Just like God saw the purpose in my own sufferings when I couldn't. Just like He continues to see past my current sufferings and I make it through my day with joy and peace despite the storm I have to go through, because of hope.

That is a really mature way of looking at that. 

[Annella]

I also believe he will find his way.  His desire to even learn more is not ignored by God.  He has been presented both sides, and the choice is his like Jcribb or Sherene said.

author=queenofnines link=topic=20004.msg253773#msg253773 date=1287013903]
Stick to your guns, 502 -- god ordering people to commit horrific genocide and mass murdering a sh*tton of people himself IS NOT OKAY.  Never was, never will be.

qon, there you go again justifying how you post to people, when in all honesty it's rude and abrasive.  Bold caps is yelling in any posting.  Everybody knows that.

[Annella]

Stick to your guns, 502 -- god ordering people to commit horrific genocide and mass murdering a sh*tton of people himself IS NOT OKAY.  Never was, never will be.

God's murders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTKWIMYK_x0

If you really believe that critically reading the bible is enough to make a person not believe in God, then I'm surprised to see you so aggressively interjecting here. I would think you would be encouraging him to read it and wouldn't feel the need to "interpret" it for him.

But God has a plan and purpose for Chase and I'm confidant that he will find the path God has for him, regardless of you interjections. 

Yeah like God has plans for everyone else, even burning in hell.

Marie, do you remember how upset and offended you would get when someone would say something to you about religion?  Think about how much it bothered you when someone put you down or make a snarky comment about what you believed...and then remember that when replying to someone else about what they believe.   

Thank you Amy

[queenofnines]

Bold caps is yelling in any posting.  Everybody knows that.

Yes, let's all jump on a font style and completely ignore the truthful point I was making.  That's what Christians do best -- distract from the issue.

[queenofnines]

P.S.  Quoting it multiple times only keeps my irrefutable point alive and visible for any audience lurkers.  So good job!  lol

[Annella]

Bold caps is yelling in any posting.  Everybody knows that.

Yes, let's all jump on a font style and completely ignore the truthful point I was making.  That's what Christians do best -- distract from the issue.

Really?  Looks like the Christians on here gave some very explanatory answers on the the issues at hand.  None of them distracted from the issues at all.  Or do you mean your issues?  However, your point as being "truthful" may be something they may feel to distract from though.  You don't expect Christians to agree with you do you?

[jcribb16]

Christians would rather believe in a God that sends people to hell...  good job at scaring the crap out of people.

When presented differently, patiently, lovingly, etc., it's a lot more different than qon's post scaring the tar of people herself, including yelling.