Another god-related topic

[queenofnines]

I have a hard time taking any of this seriously because...it isn't that bad because people continue to have babies after babies after babies. People in North Korea don't seem to mind, they have babies after babies after babies.

I would think, if life was that horrible then people wouldn't have children, they wouldn't bring babies into a world where they will just suffer and be miserable.

If things were that miserable, you wouldn't have sex.

You need to stop using this weak, nonsensical argument, marie.  Poor people have babies for a variety of reasons: they're too irresponsible to use birth control, they got raped, they're trying to cash in on welfare, they think a kid will bring meaning to their miserable lives, they're selfish and too stupid to think about the children suffering.  Very rarely is it an active decision to bring more mouths to feed into this world for a lot of people.

Also, we're compelled by our genes to reproduce like mad.  Some people just can't help themselves.

[jordandog]

Talking about other countries and over population/babies? It may come as a huge surprise, but Taiwan is now considering following the lead of Japan, South Korea, and Singapore. The governments in those last 3 countries subsidize IVF (in vitro fertilization) because their numbers of births have vastly decreased in the last 10 years and they now want to increase birthrates and need more babies born. It is necessary for their economic workforces as the older retire. I know, sounds crazy, but it is true.

As far as god not providing for people, I was personally corrected on that when I said it in another thread. I stated not seeing evidence of money, food, housing, health, etc. being dropped into anyone's lap. I was told god can, will, and does provide for those who believe in and go to him and that this has been seen in this person's life many times. That is not the exact wording, but close enough. So does that in turn become another implication that if you are specifically a follower of god, you are okay, but if you follow another 'deity' you are out? Many third world countries do not identify with god, so that must be what the problem is, eh?

[jordandog]

God didn't create more of himself though I am sure he could, he chose to create creatures that can think for themselves.

So, using the 'god created all creatures' basis, what you said above doesn't apply across the board. If by saying creatures you mean a living organism, then many of the invertebrates, plants, protozoans, fungi etc. do not have a 'brain', but almost all are necessary parts of the ecological chain of life here on earth. They are able to react to their surroundings, stimuli, etc., but they certainly can't think for themselves.

[teflonfanatic]

This is probably a terrible reason but, he doesn't just stop what's happening in the world and puts "the one taunting him" to rule, so we can see that man can't direct his own step.  Let's say your best friend slandered your reputation, is it better to punch that person in the face, or is it better for others to find out that person is a liar?

It's coming soon, it's been 6,000+ years now!!! 7 is in important number in the bible signifying completion.

[hwilliams591]

The difference between a person that believes in god and a person that doesn't is...one needs something to beliveing in to make their lives better and the other needs only themselves!
I really hate these religious post and can see why all my other forums don't allow it.

God does not exist.

Saying that it is sad the way others have to live through out the world, I know most of the time it is out of their hands.

[queenofnines]

Not true. Maybe for some people but I would be fine if I found out for sure there was no God..

I have a hard time believing you'd be "fine" if you could one day be on the same intellectual level as those who know the Christian god doesn't exist.  You may dabble in agnosticism at times, but you always come back to your personal, mushy version of god.  

Marie's made-up god: very loosely based on the Christian deity, as she's only read a few pages of the Bible; used evolution to create us (conflicting with said Christian god); believes homosexuals are people, too (good! but this doesn't jive with Biblegod); believes god is not active in this world when you point out all the suffering (again, this contradicts the Christian god she pretends to defend); somehow still believes in the devil and heaven and hell...

[SurveyMack10]

Not true. Maybe for some people but I would be fine if I found out for sure there was no God..

I have a hard time believing you'd be "fine" if you could one day be on the same intellectual level as those who know the Christian god doesn't exist.  You may dabble in agnosticism at times, but you always come back to your personal, mushy version of god.  

Marie's made-up god: very loosely based on the Christian deity, as she's only read a few pages of the Bible; used evolution to create us (conflicting with said Christian god); believes homosexuals are people, too (good! but this doesn't jive with Biblegod); believes god is not active in this world when you point out all the suffering (again, this contradicts the Christian god she pretends to defend); somehow still believes in the devil and heaven and hell...

The "same intellectual level"?

[SurveyMack10]

you just have to remember the world wasn't this messed up when He started it...it became that way when people abused their free will.

When we (metaphorically, of course) ae the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil? why put the tree there in the first place? and why punish generation after generation for the crime of TWO people? if someone goes to jail for murder, he deserves it, but does the rest of his family generation from that moment on deserve to be jailed for life?

Well once they took that step, it's not like their offspring could be kept in innocence. He has provided us with enough to help ourselves and others, we just choose not to take advantage of it.

[hwilliams591]

I'd be fine...remember I still have the voices and hallucinations, whether God is real or not.

I'd be a little upset, but who wouldn't?

You are simply a nut job that needs mentally help...even your crutch (god) can't help you. 

[502mania]

We will see who the nut is when we all die. I bet I will be laughing at your *bleep* in hell...saying who's the nut job now!! 

Pssshhhhh. right after you go to candy land and play poker with the easter bunny.

But back on topic. So why did god even put the tree here in the first place? to test us for some type of experiment? So we're all guinea pigs?

[502mania]

We will see who the nut is when we all die. I bet I will be laughing at your *bleep* in hell...saying who's the nut job now!! 

Pssshhhhh. right after you go to candy land and play poker with the easter bunny.
But back on topic. So why did god even put the tree here in the first place? to test us for some type of experiment? So we're all guinea pigs?

Why are you talking about nonsense? Huh? Play candy land with the Easter Bunny! What the hell are you talking about God for if this is how you feel? Seems retarded to me.

The stuff i mentioned is imaginary, just like hell.

[502mania]

OK marie, please, i don't want to argue the existence of heaven or hell. Just want everones poin of view on why god dosen't help, etc..

[queenofnines]

Pssshhhhh. right after you go to candy land and play poker with the easter bunny.

lol

So why did god even put the tree here in the first place? to test us for some type of experiment? So we're all guinea pigs?

Some of the logical fails surrounding the story:

#1  A "perfect" god was incomplete in the aspect of needing/wanting to create ANYTHING.  Therefore, he's not actually perfect.
#2  What exactly was god doing for the eternity before October 23, 4004 B.C. (the Biblical date of creation)?
#3  A perfect god would not need 7 days to make anything.
#4  A perfect god would be incapable of creating anything imperfect or have the capacity to become imperfect.  And yet enter humans.
#5  God - being "omniscient" - already knew of every horror that would ever happen before it did.  And yet he planted the mine that set it all in motion.
#6  Adam and Eve could not have known right from wrong BEFORE eating the fruit that contained the knowledge of good and evil.  So it's like god is punishing the dog who didn't know any better.

Isn't it great that we have now have the intelligence to pick apart and expose these primitive myths for what they really are -- fearful attempts to explain a pre-scientific world.

[amyrouse]

#6  Adam and Eve could not have known right from wrong BEFORE eating the fruit that contained the knowledge of good and evil.  So it's like god is punishing the dog who didn't know any better.

I have seen parents put children in time out...they didnt know any better, but they need to learn it was BAD. They don't need to know right from wrong, just that God told them not too.

A parent leaves an 8 year old in the house and tells the child things they are not suppost to do, like turn on the stove, what do you think the first thing that child is gonna do? Turn on the damn stove!!

You really want God, to hover and make all your choices for you? Thanks to him, I can think for myself.

I put my child in time out...but only after I have explained to her several times why she is making a bad choice.  It would be wrong for a parent to point, say "don't do that" without giving an explanation, and then spanking the child after bringing it to her attention and she does the "forbidden act" out of curiosity.  It teaches the wrong lessons.  Besides that...when did we get the capacity for reason?  After we gained the capacity for knowledge.  How is a child supposed to know what "bad" is without it being explained or experienced?  The fall from grace is not equivalent to a time out.  I hate the prevalent view that Eve sinned by eating from the tree...it makes no sense.

[amyrouse]

#6  Adam and Eve could not have known right from wrong BEFORE eating the fruit that contained the knowledge of good and evil.  So it's like god is punishing the dog who didn't know any better.

I have seen parents put children in time out...they didnt know any better, but they need to learn it was BAD. They don't need to know right from wrong, just that God told them not too.

A parent leaves an 8 year old in the house and tells the child things they are not suppost to do, like turn on the stove, what do you think the first thing that child is gonna do? Turn on the damn stove!!

You really want God, to hover and make all your choices for you? Thanks to him, I can think for myself.

I put my child in time out...but only after I have explained to her several times why she is making a bad choice.  It would be wrong for a parent to point, say "don't do that" without giving an explanation, and then spanking the child after bringing it to her attention and she does the "forbidden act" out of curiosity.  It teaches the wrong lessons.  Besides that...when did we get the capacity for reason?  After we gained the capacity for knowledge.  How is a child supposed to know what "bad" is without it being explained or experienced?  The fall from grace is not equivalent to a time out.  I hate the prevalent view that Eve sinned by eating from the tree...it makes no sense.

Whatever works for you.

And out comes the rude attitude again...