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« Reply #75 on: October 06, 2010, 10:29:33 am »
actually guys, there's not nearly enough thc in second hand marijuana smoke to get you high from breathing it. The smoke you blow out has no thc at all because your body has just absorbed it. the smoke from the joint itself isn't enough for you to get high. the contact buzz theory is plain ridiculus. and if you believe in imaginary contact buzzs
(which only exist in movies) and don't want to inhale it.... leave the room or the house. nobody's gonna put a gun to your head nd make you breathe it.

I am going to call you out right now on this part of your post. The other person may not feel like they have gotten high, but if they are around you long enough and are close enough to smell/breath it, a urine test and/or a blood draw will show a measurable level of THC. Unless you also have a medical degree and are practicing medicine, I don't think you are in a position to argue this one. I am not going to waste my time refuting all the other incorrect things in here, but that one I will. I know of many who have been put in a tough spot after an accident even when they were NOT the person 'purposely' smoking it. Kids who live with adults that smoke around them can and do absorb the THC also. Do you realize, considering the body mass of say a 3 year old, how little smoke it actually requires for them to be affected? Do you have any idea how many kids have been removed from homes by Childrens Services for this very reason ie they tested positive because of parents/adults in the home?


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« Reply #76 on: October 06, 2010, 12:39:05 pm »
actually guys, there's not nearly enough thc in second hand marijuana smoke to get you high from breathing it. The smoke you blow out has no thc at all because your body has just absorbed it. the smoke from the joint itself isn't enough for you to get high. the contact buzz theory is plain ridiculus. and if you believe in imaginary contact buzzs
(which only exist in movies) and don't want to inhale it.... leave the room or the house. nobody's gonna put a gun to your head nd make you breathe it.

I am going to call you out right now on this part of your post. The other person may not feel like they have gotten high, but if they are around you long enough and are close enough to smell/breath it, a urine test and/or a blood draw will show a measurable level of THC. Unless you also have a medical degree and are practicing medicine, I don't think you are in a position to argue this one. I am not going to waste my time refuting all the other incorrect things in here, but that one I will. I know of many who have been put in a tough spot after an accident even when they were NOT the person 'purposely' smoking it. Kids who live with adults that smoke around them can and do absorb the THC also. Do you realize, considering the body mass of say a 3 year old, how little smoke it actually requires for them to be affected? Do you have any idea how many kids have been removed from homes by Childrens Services for this very reason ie they tested positive because of parents/adults in the home?
I have to disagree here in ALL cases this is not true.  It would be impossible to prove this unless it happened to yourself and you knew 100% that you had never smoked.  Anyone can say Ive never smoked I was just around others that had when in fact they had.  I personally have been around my hubby several days a week when he's smoked and have had drug tests for employment even the same day of my test and never showed any THC in my system. I was even honest with the staff that tested me because I was concerned the first time that second hand smoke would effect my test. They laughed at me lol, and provided me with results on paper that showed no illegal substances at all.  I have never smoked myself nor have I ever felt any effects of second hand smoke.  Of course I would never condone any use of any drug around children(not because I fell its unsafe I wouldn't drink around children either).  But in my case I am an adult and I can choose to get up and leave the room if want.
  
LOL..the only ones wanting this rediculious thing to be legal are those that are breaking the law doing it now. And some how in their high imaginary minds do they think taxing this will be good for the economy. It is not going to bring jobs anywhere as it is not and never been illegal to make products from it....it is just not the best material for the job!

That post doesn't change my view on it at all. It is proved that hardcore drug use almost always started with marijuana. It is addicting, seen this first hand.
I will tell you working with someone that didn't do their morning lite-up shows how much of a dependance the drug has on them.

Just because it is a plant doesn't mean it is good for you. No diffence in altering your judgement as alcohol, but with a presence that effects others.
There are other drugs made from plants.....lets just have the crackheads preach about the coca plant and how it should be legal.

IMO smoke what you want but do it away from me.
Please don't lump everyone that's for legalizing it into one category by saying their the ones breaking the law by doing it. I have never nor will I ever smoke weed or anything else for that matter because that's a personal choice I have made for myself.  But I am for legalizing it,  wake up its already here in our society people are going to smoke it legal or not there is nothing you can do to stop that.  Its not like people want to stand on the street and smoke there going to continue to do what they do now smoke inside the comfort of their own home should it be legalized.  I used to be very against smoking as that is what I was taught growing up.  Until I saw first hand what it does for the people I know that use it.  My feelings have changed on the subject I have seen how pot relieves debilitating pain my mother in law experiences due to Fibromyalgia which her doctors wont give her medication for because they conflict with other medications she needs more.  I have seen how it helps my hubby focus better on whatever task hes doing at the time.  He say's it motivates him to get stuff done and its true I can get him to do just about anything around the house long as hes been smoking lol.   I have seen my hubby and my mother in law and many others very stoned and never have they done anything harmful to anyone it does not make them angry or violent like a drunk if anything it calms them and has a relaxing effect.  
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« Reply #77 on: October 07, 2010, 07:35:57 am »
actually guys, there's not nearly enough thc in second hand marijuana smoke to get you high from breathing it. The smoke you blow out has no thc at all because your body has just absorbed it. the smoke from the joint itself isn't enough for you to get high. the contact buzz theory is plain ridiculus. and if you believe in imaginary contact buzzs
(which only exist in movies) and don't want to inhale it.... leave the room or the house. nobody's gonna put a gun to your head nd make you breathe it.

I am going to call you out right now on this part of your post. The other person may not feel like they have gotten high, but if they are around you long enough and are close enough to smell/breath it, a urine test and/or a blood draw will show a measurable level of THC. Unless you also have a medical degree and are practicing medicine, I don't think you are in a position to argue this one. I am not going to waste my time refuting all the other incorrect things in here, but that one I will. I know of many who have been put in a tough spot after an accident even when they were NOT the person 'purposely' smoking it. Kids who live with adults that smoke around them can and do absorb the THC also. Do you realize, considering the body mass of say a 3 year old, how little smoke it actually requires for them to be affected? Do you have any idea how many kids have been removed from homes by Childrens Services for this very reason ie they tested positive because of parents/adults in the home?
I have to disagree here in ALL cases this is not true.  It would be impossible to prove this unless it happened to yourself and you knew 100% that you had never smoked.  Anyone can say Ive never smoked I was just around others that had when in fact they had.  I personally have been around my hubby several days a week when he's smoked and have had drug tests for employment even the same day of my test and never showed any THC in my system. I was even honest with the staff that tested me because I was concerned the first time that second hand smoke would effect my test. They laughed at me lol, and provided me with results on paper that showed no illegal substances at all.  I have never smoked myself nor have I ever felt any effects of second hand smoke.  Of course I would never condone any use of any drug around children(not because I fell its unsafe I wouldn't drink around children either).  But in my case I am an adult and I can choose to get up and leave the room if want.
  
LOL..the only ones wanting this rediculious thing to be legal are those that are breaking the law doing it now. And some how in their high imaginary minds do they think taxing this will be good for the economy. It is not going to bring jobs anywhere as it is not and never been illegal to make products from it....it is just not the best material for the job!

That post doesn't change my view on it at all. It is proved that hardcore drug use almost always started with marijuana. It is addicting, seen this first hand.
I will tell you working with someone that didn't do their morning lite-up shows how much of a dependance the drug has on them.

Just because it is a plant doesn't mean it is good for you. No diffence in altering your judgement as alcohol, but with a presence that effects others.
There are other drugs made from plants.....lets just have the crackheads preach about the coca plant and how it should be legal.

IMO smoke what you want but do it away from me.
Please don't lump everyone that's for legalizing it into one category by saying their the ones breaking the law by doing it. I have never nor will I ever smoke weed or anything else for that matter because that's a personal choice I have made for myself.  But I am for legalizing it,  wake up its already here in our society people are going to smoke it legal or not there is nothing you can do to stop that.  Its not like people want to stand on the street and smoke there going to continue to do what they do now smoke inside the comfort of their own home should it be legalized.  I used to be very against smoking as that is what I was taught growing up.  Until I saw first hand what it does for the people I know that use it.  My feelings have changed on the subject I have seen how pot relieves debilitating pain my mother in law experiences due to Fibromyalgia which her doctors wont give her medication for because they conflict with other medications she needs more.  I have seen how it helps my hubby focus better on whatever task hes doing at the time.  He say's it motivates him to get stuff done and its true I can get him to do just about anything around the house long as hes been smoking lol.   I have seen my hubby and my mother in law and many others very stoned and never have they done anything harmful to anyone it does not make them angry or violent like a drunk if anything it calms them and has a relaxing effect.  

Thank you Alyia for posting that!  :thumbsup:


well, the difference is, alcohol is LEGAL and It does kill innocent bystanders ALL the time, it also affects people in many ways, like anger, for one. that drunk A**hole takes it out on his/her family, beats his/her children, or drives drunk and kills a whole family.
and your right, sitting next to an alcoholic or someone drinking you wont get the same effects, but it can have an affect on that person sitting next to them. they may start running there mouth to you, start a fight, throw up on you lol... Alcohol takes away your perception, you may not even remember what you did, like punching up on your kids, breaking one of there arms, shoving your pregnant sister into a table and almost making her lose her baby, raping someone, murdering them.... I'm sorry, but the alcohol defense hits a nerve with me. Don't take it personally. I just don't agree.
Your just grabbing for straws now!
It is plainly obvious alcohol is legal.
Were you fail to realize is none of the effects of alcohol is passed on to those around the person drinking.
Marijuana can have the same effects you are decsribing about alcohol.

You are against alcohol but for marijuana? That makes no sense at all. Read up on it alot more that what was posted by those that are for it. You will have a better understanding if you can see both sides.
Everything that has happened from a person under the influence of alcohol has also happed to a person under the influence of marijuana.

I never said alcohol was good, so learn how to read as I'm not defending it at all.

oh I gotcha. I'm not grasping for anything. and I can READ just fine, thank you. No need to insult my intelligence.
 What I don't understand, is if they both harm people and as you stated: "Everything that has happened from a person under the influence of alcohol has also happed to a person under the influence of marijuana," then why is one legal and one not?? I personally think that alcohol is worse.(of course thats my opinion) I have known many potheads and many alcoholics in my day, and those alcoholics have harmed more people. If someone wants to drink or smoke pot in there own home, that should be fine. Its never okay to drive under the influence of anything. Just because someone doesn't get drunk by another person drinking doesnt mean it doesnt affect them in some way. I understand what you are saying, by someone smoking weed around other people they'll get high too, but it shouldn't be smoked around other people who don't smoke. Trust me, I understand both sides and I've definitely read all the posts in here.
Hmm... maybe you should go back and read them... I think you missed some stuff.

My question still remains unanswered though... "if they both harm people and as you (hwilliams) stated: "Everything that has happened from a person under the influence of alcohol has also happed to a person under the influence of marijuana," then why is one legal and one not?? How could it be any different than alcohol if it were legalized, if, what you stated, is the facts?
« Last Edit: October 07, 2010, 11:44:27 am by sflynt »
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« Reply #78 on: October 07, 2010, 07:51:35 am »
I tell you what, If all you people that are argueing so much about this would just take the time to read my post, it woulod open your blind eyes to many of the benefits of hamp/marijuana. IT CURES CANCER AND MANY OTHER DISEASES!!!!!!!!!!!

You really need to just chill out and burn a big joint. It would calm your nerves and relieve your stress.
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If it becomes leagalized just like liquor and everything else out there there will be the ones that abuse it and go on to the next thing people do not know how to do things in a small way kids will find away to get it and it is a drug but I feel liquor is a drug the government will take full advantage of it and ruin things by getting involved they always want to control whatever comes along to make more money for them so if it is lagalized watch out!!!   :sad1: :dontknow:

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« Reply #79 on: October 07, 2010, 11:21:44 am »
I tell you what, If all you people that are argueing so much about this would just take the time to read my post, it woulod open your blind eyes to many of the benefits of hamp/marijuana. IT CURES CANCER AND MANY OTHER DISEASES!!!!!!!!!!!

You really need to just chill out and burn a big joint. It would calm your nerves and relieve your stress.

If it becomes leagalized just like liquor and everything else out there there will be the ones that abuse it and go on to the next thing people do not know how to do things in a small way kids will find away to get it and it is a drug but I feel liquor is a drug the government will take full advantage of it and ruin things by getting involved they always want to control whatever comes along to make more money for them so if it is lagalized watch out!!!   :sad1: :dontknow:

Do you honestly believe that anyone who would abuse pot just because it was legal isn't already abusing it as you put it?  Do you really believe that kids are not getting it now while its not legal? I fail to see how it being legal would make it any easier for kids to get it than they already are.  Its not like you would be able to walk into a gas station and buy it with no age restrictions.  Facts are pot is here and those that use it are still going to use it if its legal or illegal no matter what their age.  And as for kids using it or any other drug including alcohol, its our responsibility as parents to teach our kids how to make responsible choices for themselves, the laws are not there for us to fall back on and be lazy as parents and not teach our kids how to make the right choices.  As a parent myself I would never trust that the laws in place were enough to keep my child from using alcohol or pot or any other drug, rather I would teach her to be responsible and make good choices for herself just like my mother did for me.   As for the government getting involved and wanting to control it to make more money that's the point we need more money in our economy.  And the pot is already here being used why not tax it and make some extra money.  I know quite a few people that would pay the extra tax with no complaints.
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« Reply #80 on: October 07, 2010, 11:34:33 am »
Exactly, Alyia,
Also, no one would be doing jail time for setting a small peice of a plant on fire. Weed dosen't hurt anyone, except maybe the user, but everyone can make thier own choices. Weed has been proven more effective than kimo. but it's a "mind-altering-soul-destroying-"addictive"-narcotic.  pshhh. please. I'm living proof, you can be successful and still smoke weed.
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« Reply #81 on: October 07, 2010, 01:57:21 pm »
This is not about weed vs alcohol! But if you can't see the difference they you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

As far as people being around someone smoking and not testing/failing a drugtest is BS! It has been done.
I have worked many goverment contract jobs and taken/scheduled alot of drug tests.

As far as taxes you people really have no clue how anything works do you. Please explain it how it will benefit you to legalize marijuana?
It will not create jobs, marijuana is not a suitable subsitute material for many items, it is not illegal to use it for goods. This or any law will not change the fact at all.
They tax marijuana and the price goes up, street value goes up, crime stays the same or increases.
Crime goes down!!!! ??? :bs:

And do you still realize that this will still not change most drug test at work! I know places that won't hire if you smoke cigarettes.

There are alot more con's then there is pro's to legalize it.

And if you think it cures cancer you really need to read up before you post!

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« Reply #82 on: October 07, 2010, 02:04:52 pm »
This is not about weed vs alcohol! But if you can't see the difference they you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

As far as people being around someone smoking and not testing/failing a drugtest is BS! It has been done.
I have worked many goverment contract jobs and taken/scheduled alot of drug tests.

As far as taxes you people really have no clue how anything works do you. Please explain it how it will benefit you to legalize marijuana?
It will not create jobs, marijuana is not a suitable subsitute material for many items, it is not illegal to use it for goods. This or any law will not change the fact at all.
They tax marijuana and the price goes up, street value goes up, crime stays the same or increases.
Crime goes down!!!! ??? :bs:

And do you still realize that this will still not change most drug test at work! I know places that won't hire if you smoke cigarettes.

There are alot more con's then there is pro's to legalize it.

And if you think it cures cancer you really need to read up before you post!

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« Reply #83 on: October 07, 2010, 02:09:07 pm »
Closed minded

Actually you are the one that is showing you are closed minded.

If you have anything to add then do so. Trying to hide behind others post especially when their point of view is wrong makes you look like you really don't know what you are talking about.

If you have anything to show that I am wrong then post otherwise save the simple post so you don't look simple! ::)

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« Reply #84 on: October 07, 2010, 02:28:30 pm »
hwilliams,
Hemp is stronger than cotton. clothing industry
hemp fuel is better than gasoline. remove foriegn oil dependency
hemp is just as strong if not stronger than lumber. save trees,
hemp makes great paper. save more trees
hemp oil can be made into biodegradable plastic. save the environment
hemp oil can be made into all natural meat substitute - full of protien. more food
hemp can be made into tea. more food
hemp can be smoked - no more tobacco, better health
hemp can be made into athsma, cancer, glaucoma, etc. etc. medications
With ALL of those industries, hwilliams, that won't create jobs?
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« Reply #86 on: October 07, 2010, 03:33:22 pm »
This is not about weed vs alcohol! But if you can't see the difference they you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

As far as people being around someone smoking and not testing/failing a drugtest is BS! It has been done.
I have worked many goverment contract jobs and taken/scheduled alot of drug tests.

As far as taxes you people really have no clue how anything works do you. Please explain it how it will benefit you to legalize marijuana?
It will not create jobs, marijuana is not a suitable subsitute material for many items, it is not illegal to use it for goods. This or any law will not change the fact at all.
They tax marijuana and the price goes up, street value goes up, crime stays the same or increases.
Crime goes down!!!! ??? :bs:

And do you still realize that this will still not change most drug test at work! I know places that won't hire if you smoke cigarettes.

There are alot more con's then there is pro's to legalize it.

And if you think it cures cancer you really need to read up before you post!


I'm sorry, but you've posted this same thing over and over... you won't see it any other way. So that, to me, is closed minded.


Actually you are the one that is showing you are closed minded.

If you have anything to add then do so. Trying to hide behind others post especially when their point of view is wrong makes you look like you really don't know what you are talking about.

If you have anything to show that I am wrong then post otherwise save the simple post so you don't look simple! ::)

 Just because you think they are wrong, doesn't mean they are.

I have no reason to hide behind anyone or anything. you have stated the same thing over and over, even when presented with ample information proving that it is and could be beneficial to this country. You just refuse to see it any other way. Which I'm not entirely sure you've even read over every post in this thread.

It is well known that Americans illegally consume about 31 million pounds of marijuana every year at an estimated retail cost of $3,570 per pound. That adds up to an expenditure of nearly $111 billion annually, all of it going into an underground economy that remains untaxed by the federal government.

The underground economic diversion of money into the marijuana market subsequently costs the government $31.7 billion annually in tax revenue that should be generated from the transactions if they were conducted legally.

Marijuana arrests account for 5.54% of all arrests in the United States, which spends $193 billion annually on its criminal justice system. As such, marijuana arrests account for $10.7 billion annually in criminal justice expenses. The average prisoner costs the taxpayers $33,615 a year to imprison and each one on average costs $9,412 just for their health benefits.

The FBI says that marijuana crimes account for 45.6% of all drug arrests. Add it all up, and marijuana prohibition costs the US roughly $41.8 billion every year according to a 2007 estimate by public policy researcher Jon B. Gettman, Ph.D.

Marijuana prohibition costs the U.S. government and taxpayers billions of dollars annually!!!


The criminal prohibition of marijuana has not dissuaded anyone from using marijuana or reduced its availability. however, the strict enforcement of this policy has adversely impacted the lives and careers of millions of people who simply elected to use a substance to relax that is objectively safer than alcohol. <~ yes it is, my friend.

The societal costs of propagandizing against marijuana and marijuana law reform,
funding anti-marijuana 'science', interdicting marijuana, eradicating domestically grown marijuana
and industrial hemp, law enforcement, prosecuting and incarcerating marijuana smokers costs
U.S. taxpayers in excess of $12 billion annually.
Of the many numerous arguments that can be advanced by law reformers and advocacy
groups like NORML, is the self-evident truth that marijuana prohibition, an utterly failed public policy,
costs taxpayers too much

Replacing marijuana prohibition with a system of legal regulation would save approximately $7.7 billion in government expenditures on prohibition enforcement, $2.4 billion at the federal level and $5.3 billion at the state and local levels.
Hmm...

Max Chaiken, a graduating economics major at Brown wrote a senior thesis which finds that “a legally taxed and regulated marijuana market could generate upwards of $200 billion annually in excise tax revenues for the federal government.” The thesis is dated April 17, 2009 and can be reviewed here. http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Economics/2009_undergrad_theses/Max_Chaiken_thesis.pdf


US law forbids farmers from growing hemp without a federal license, and has discouraged all commercial hemp production since the 1950s. The ability to grow, harvest and find commercial applications for Hemp could create thousands of jobs in the following months. In addition to putting thousands back to work quickly and helping put money back into the pockets of the currently unemployed American, these items could be taxed. That would then allow money to start flowing into the coffers of the local, state and federal revenue offices once again.

Industrial hemp has many uses, including paper, textiles, biodegradable plastics, construction, health food, and fuel. It is one of the fastest growing bio-masses known, and one of the earliest domesticated plants known. It may be environmentally helpful, for example hemp requires fewer pesticides, no herbicides, controls erosion of the topsoil, and produces oxygen. Furthermore, hemp can be used to replace many potentially harmful products, such as tree paper (the processing of which uses chlorine bleach, which results in the waste product polychlorinated dibensodioxins, popularly known as dioxins, which are carcinogenic, and contribute to deforestation), cosmetics, and plastics, most of which are petroleum-based and do not decompose easily.

In 1916, USDA Bulletin No. 404, reported that one acre of cannabis hemp, in annual rotation over a 20-year period, would produce as much pulp for paper as 4.1 acres of trees being cut down over the same 20-year period. This process would use only 1/4 to 1/7 as much polluting sulfur-based acid chemicals to break down the glue-like lignin that binds the fibers of the pulp, or none at all using soda ash. The problem of dioxin contamination of rivers is avoided in the hemp paper making process, which does not need to use chlorine bleach (as the wood pulp paper making process requires) but instead safely substitutes hydrogen peroxide in the bleaching process...If the new (1916) hemp pulp paper process were legal today, it would soon replace about 70% of all wood pulp paper, including computer printout paper, corrugated boxes and paper bags.
An acre of hemp produces four times as much pulp as an acre of trees.


The recovery of the American economic situation would move ahead quickly as farming operations could start to move forward, transportation operations such as trucking and rail could start to see a resurgence, retail and textile operations would see an uptick in the profit and large scale scientific companies could start to see the true value of marijuana as they could start to design hybrid (not that the independent underground society has not done this already) plants and species that could have far reaching implications for the medical and commercial applications.



Gee, I don't see how any of that could benefit anything...  ::)




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« Reply #87 on: October 07, 2010, 06:15:13 pm »
This is not about weed vs alcohol! But if you can't see the difference they you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

As far as people being around someone smoking and not testing/failing a drugtest is BS! It has been done.
I have worked many goverment contract jobs and taken/scheduled alot of drug tests.

As far as taxes you people really have no clue how anything works do you. Please explain it how it will benefit you to legalize marijuana?
It will not create jobs, marijuana is not a suitable subsitute material for many items, it is not illegal to use it for goods. This or any law will not change the fact at all.
They tax marijuana and the price goes up, street value goes up, crime stays the same or increases.
Crime goes down!!!! ??? :bs:

And do you still realize that this will still not change most drug test at work! I know places that won't hire if you smoke cigarettes.

There are alot more con's then there is pro's to legalize it.

And if you think it cures cancer you really need to read up before you post!


I'm sorry, but you've posted this same thing over and over... you won't see it any other way. So that, to me, is closed minded.


Actually you are the one that is showing you are closed minded.

If you have anything to add then do so. Trying to hide behind others post especially when their point of view is wrong makes you look like you really don't know what you are talking about.

If you have anything to show that I am wrong then post otherwise save the simple post so you don't look simple! ::)

 Just because you think they are wrong, doesn't mean they are.

I have no reason to hide behind anyone or anything. you have stated the same thing over and over, even when presented with ample information proving that it is and could be beneficial to this country. You just refuse to see it any other way. Which I'm not entirely sure you've even read over every post in this thread.

It is well known that Americans illegally consume about 31 million pounds of marijuana every year at an estimated retail cost of $3,570 per pound. That adds up to an expenditure of nearly $111 billion annually, all of it going into an underground economy that remains untaxed by the federal government.

The underground economic diversion of money into the marijuana market subsequently costs the government $31.7 billion annually in tax revenue that should be generated from the transactions if they were conducted legally.

Marijuana arrests account for 5.54% of all arrests in the United States, which spends $193 billion annually on its criminal justice system. As such, marijuana arrests account for $10.7 billion annually in criminal justice expenses. The average prisoner costs the taxpayers $33,615 a year to imprison and each one on average costs $9,412 just for their health benefits.

The FBI says that marijuana crimes account for 45.6% of all drug arrests. Add it all up, and marijuana prohibition costs the US roughly $41.8 billion every year according to a 2007 estimate by public policy researcher Jon B. Gettman, Ph.D.

Marijuana prohibition costs the U.S. government and taxpayers billions of dollars annually!!!


The criminal prohibition of marijuana has not dissuaded anyone from using marijuana or reduced its availability. however, the strict enforcement of this policy has adversely impacted the lives and careers of millions of people who simply elected to use a substance to relax that is objectively safer than alcohol. <~ yes it is, my friend.

The societal costs of propagandizing against marijuana and marijuana law reform,
funding anti-marijuana 'science', interdicting marijuana, eradicating domestically grown marijuana
and industrial hemp, law enforcement, prosecuting and incarcerating marijuana smokers costs
U.S. taxpayers in excess of $12 billion annually.
Of the many numerous arguments that can be advanced by law reformers and advocacy
groups like NORML, is the self-evident truth that marijuana prohibition, an utterly failed public policy,
costs taxpayers too much

Replacing marijuana prohibition with a system of legal regulation would save approximately $7.7 billion in government expenditures on prohibition enforcement, $2.4 billion at the federal level and $5.3 billion at the state and local levels.
Hmm...

Max Chaiken, a graduating economics major at Brown wrote a senior thesis which finds that “a legally taxed and regulated marijuana market could generate upwards of $200 billion annually in excise tax revenues for the federal government.” The thesis is dated April 17, 2009 and can be reviewed here. http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Economics/2009_undergrad_theses/Max_Chaiken_thesis.pdf


US law forbids farmers from growing hemp without a federal license, and has discouraged all commercial hemp production since the 1950s. The ability to grow, harvest and find commercial applications for Hemp could create thousands of jobs in the following months. In addition to putting thousands back to work quickly and helping put money back into the pockets of the currently unemployed American, these items could be taxed. That would then allow money to start flowing into the coffers of the local, state and federal revenue offices once again.

Industrial hemp has many uses, including paper, textiles, biodegradable plastics, construction, health food, and fuel. It is one of the fastest growing bio-masses known, and one of the earliest domesticated plants known. It may be environmentally helpful, for example hemp requires fewer pesticides, no herbicides, controls erosion of the topsoil, and produces oxygen. Furthermore, hemp can be used to replace many potentially harmful products, such as tree paper (the processing of which uses chlorine bleach, which results in the waste product polychlorinated dibensodioxins, popularly known as dioxins, which are carcinogenic, and contribute to deforestation), cosmetics, and plastics, most of which are petroleum-based and do not decompose easily.

In 1916, USDA Bulletin No. 404, reported that one acre of cannabis hemp, in annual rotation over a 20-year period, would produce as much pulp for paper as 4.1 acres of trees being cut down over the same 20-year period. This process would use only 1/4 to 1/7 as much polluting sulfur-based acid chemicals to break down the glue-like lignin that binds the fibers of the pulp, or none at all using soda ash. The problem of dioxin contamination of rivers is avoided in the hemp paper making process, which does not need to use chlorine bleach (as the wood pulp paper making process requires) but instead safely substitutes hydrogen peroxide in the bleaching process...If the new (1916) hemp pulp paper process were legal today, it would soon replace about 70% of all wood pulp paper, including computer printout paper, corrugated boxes and paper bags.
An acre of hemp produces four times as much pulp as an acre of trees.


The recovery of the American economic situation would move ahead quickly as farming operations could start to move forward, transportation operations such as trucking and rail could start to see a resurgence, retail and textile operations would see an uptick in the profit and large scale scientific companies could start to see the true value of marijuana as they could start to design hybrid (not that the independent underground society has not done this already) plants and species that could have far reaching implications for the medical and commercial applications.



Gee, I don't see how any of that could benefit anything...  ::)






Not to mention how much of our money currently being spent on weed is going into other countries economies as a lot of the weed on our streets currently comes from other countries.  All that money could stay right here in our economy.   With it being legal more people would grow their own without fear of going to jail which in turn would eliminate the middle man (dealer). 

hwilliams591 Please explain why you think crime would go up? If it was legal it wouldn't be crime.....  Do you really think if it was legal our government wouldn't have their own crops that need to be staffed to take care of the plants and harvest them and package the end product?  There are already places like this in Canada that mass produce it for medicinal purposes.  Do you think those facilities are employed by robots? My hubby wants to be quality control at one of these facilities lol. 

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« Reply #88 on: October 08, 2010, 05:17:55 am »
Oh yeah, and there IS a difference between psychological dependence and addiction. You can be psychologically dependent on anything. even ice cream. so the addiction rap is  :bs:
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« Reply #89 on: October 08, 2010, 09:08:20 am »
Although I agree hemp could and is used for many things, this is done already, it carries such a stigmatism not many people grasp the effects it could have on us, and the argument on leaglizing marijuana is not for the properties it has as a resourse but as a mind altering drug, my theory is that once legalized just like alcohol , there will be the same issues as ever before some people are responsible drinkers and don't drive and don't get stupid, but others must go too far and don't control themselves, driving to slow or not knowing where you're at is just as dangerous as driving to hard and fast,all in all it won't change much just add to our already stiff laws, and break downs in society, and the goverment will tax high cause they lose the profit they are making on it being illlegal, don't be nieve and think that they aren't making money on it already hush hush!!! though :icon_rr:
You don't forget where you are on weed. this isn't LSD here. but you're right for the most part.

 Have you ever been soooo stoned you space out in to oblivion not paying attention to anything around you, I have and I watched a guy stoned put his car in gear then get out and wonder why it was rolling into the street, just as dangerous as drivining drunk!!!! Please remember I'm going by my own life experiances Weed can act just like LSD ever watch CHeech and Chong!!

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