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jordandog

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Re: 9/11
« Reply #60 on: September 20, 2010, 10:48:19 am »
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queen, if you can provide a link to exlain my above observations, i will reconsider my opinion.

Oh, so if she comes up with it, it's worth looking at? I guess I wasted a lot of time on this one.
You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

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« Reply #61 on: September 20, 2010, 11:54:01 am »
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queen, if you can provide a link to exlain my above observations, i will reconsider my opinion.

Oh, so if she comes up with it, it's worth looking at? I guess I wasted a lot of time on this one.
I'm willing to consider everyos point of view. i've done the research, watched the de-bunkings and i still have questions. all i'm saying is this:  that if you can show me poof that this is all just a cazy conspiracy theory then i'll consider your views.
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #62 on: September 20, 2010, 03:36:03 pm »
Well, I have to think you didn't even bother to read the info on the snopes page I gave you re the Pentagon because you keep referring back to the 'hole' that was too small. The hole was made by one engine and most of the energy of the plane was dissipated by both the fact it touched the ground before it hit and it also hit concrete. It went all the way through 5 rings of the Pentagon - NOT just the outside wall, which had JUST been reinforced during a renovation project and was certainly no secret or hidden from the public and exploded. The wings of the plane collapsed in on themselves and the fuselage, which accounts for the hole NOT being the width of the plane in total. There is more that can be found and in other places far more truthful and viable than what is repeatedly referenced by the 'conspirators' Even when I told you most all of the theories out there are based on Thierry Meyssan's documents, photos sent him, etc., you said 'you never heard HIS name' so that was more or less blown off too.

Government and military personnel were badly injured/died there. But you don't think they want the truth known. I don't think anyone could show you any 'PROOF' that will change your thinking. Meh, it's your opinion and I won't try to convince or even get you to consider anymore about it.
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #63 on: September 20, 2010, 09:54:04 pm »
honestly j-dog, i did look at the webpage you provided, it didn't explainth small explosions through out the tower  during the collapse. Yes it does explain that the steel was bending, i can go with that, but why did the second one hit collapse first? and WTC7 collaped for te exact same reasons? so it's hard to assume that the first three steel buldings (that were made withstand plane crashes, fires, other things.) in history to collapse from a fire all happened right then and there for the first and last time in history.
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« Reply #64 on: September 20, 2010, 10:39:23 pm »
honestly j-dog, i did look at the webpage you provided, it didn't explainth small explosions through out the tower  during the collapse.

Jordandog did clearly explain this...here:

You mentioned explosions on different floors of the buildings. There are those things called gas lines, electrical conduits/boxes, etc., and they all tend to have an explosive effect under the right conditions. There is this funny thing called build-up from various gasses that are given off by things as simple as copier toner and an entire list of other chemicals found in any office complex that will explode under the right conditions. We aren't talking about some little one story office here either, so think about that. Do you know how intricate and extensive the detection systems for security were in those towers? They were some companies in those buildings that basically ran the entire economy, so don't you think there was protection against breeches of any kind?

While we are on that topic of smaller explosions from the bottom...the WTC was bombed back in 1993...from the bottom...and the plan was to take down both buildings... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

Yes it does explain that the steel was bending, i can go with that, but why did the second one hit collapse first? and WTC7 collaped for te exact same reasons?

If you really think about this logically...the second one was hit lower to the ground.  As the steel is buckling from the weight, wouldn't more weight presumably cause it to buckle faster?  As for WTC7... http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center#wtc7

so it's hard to assume that the first three steel buldings (that were made withstand plane crashes, fires, other things.) in history to collapse from a fire all happened right then and there for the first and last time in history.

You really think so?  You think that is strange and far fetched?  Especially since the two towers were both struck by passenger planes and both fell (albeit at different time intervals and different heights) in the same manner...

This is far fetched to me...that people believe this man was the mastermind behind one of the worst attacks on American soil...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR_rFXXz_44



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Re: 9/11
« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2010, 11:14:45 pm »
i must have missed that reply from jordan, sorry it flew past me.
I don't think george bush was the mastermind of anything, he barely has a mind at all.
I'm just insisting that it's highly coincidental
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #66 on: September 21, 2010, 09:52:28 am »
Do a youtube search on "the ring of power" and watch all parts. A daughter of an elitist tells it all.

P.S. I'M SERIOUShttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2CVAnRByfg
« Last Edit: September 21, 2010, 09:55:36 am by teflonfanatic »

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Re: 9/11
« Reply #67 on: September 27, 2010, 06:13:35 pm »
I'm disappointed if you think it was a conspiracy.  You seemed to have some good insight in you.  Don't go off into the deep end yet!  lol
By the way queen wether you beleive it was the government or 19 muslim cavemen, they're both conspiracy theories. No one has been officially tried and conviced so they're both theories. The one with government invlolvement just makes more sense.
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #68 on: September 27, 2010, 09:02:07 pm »
hmmm. so which conspiracy theory is most acurate?
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« Reply #69 on: September 28, 2010, 12:32:19 am »
I knew about it before it happend. I didn't say anything though because people think that sort of thing is crazy...you could imagine my surprise and horror and almost comical reaction when it happend.
1st of all- that is false.
2nd of all- IT'S NOT FUNNY, PEOPLE DIED.
Think about the victims before you open your mouth.

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Re: 9/11
« Reply #70 on: September 28, 2010, 12:49:26 am »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNNTcHq5Tzk

No conspiracy
Like i told queen, whether you believe it was government invlolved, or 19 muslim cavemen that planted military grade explosives in both WTC towers 1 & 2 and set up WTC7 to all implode into thier own footprints. It was a conspiracy either way. Oh yeah, and there have been so many skyscrapers in history to burn 10 times as long as the wtc did and none of them collapsed. Also, is everyone insisting that, despite allowing and even "USDA approving" our food to be pumped full of garbage, allowig people in new orleans to suffer during hurricane kartrina, The very founding of this country was on evil grounds, enslaving people from africa (and it took far more than a hundred years for them to even be able to use the same bathroom as "whites"), that "our government" couldn't have or wouldn't have been responsible?
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« Reply #71 on: September 28, 2010, 07:51:58 am »
1st off, Good job Mack you took the words out of my mouth.  :thumbsup:
I knew about it before it happend. I didn't say anything though because people think that sort of thing is crazy...you could imagine my surprise and horror and almost comical reaction when it happend.
1st of all- that is false.
2nd of all- IT'S NOT FUNNY, PEOPLE DIED.
Think about the victims before you open your mouth.

Secondly.
Perhaps there was explosive materials such as Propane tanks or other such materials that could have caused the internal small explosions, maybe it was fragments of the fuselage that were causing it. Nobody knows but the people inside the building about what EXACTLY was going on inside or what was in there.

Third. What PLAUSIBLE reason could the government have for setting this up to be the largest civilian casualty disaster in the history of the world, ON ITS OWN CIVILIANS? It doesn't add up. IF you come back with the typical response of "it was for oil."

Do some research. The United States is sitting on the largest oil deposit in the WORLD. It's a bit harder to get to because its in the middle of the country, underneath and in the Rockies. But it is undeniably there. The theory of a conspiracy for oil would make no sense, given that we are saving the oil deposits in our country so that we can monopolize the market once everywhere else has been depleted like the greedy capitalist people we are, for a few reasons.
1. Why screw over the countries that are currently producing the oil for cheap? It doesn't make sense to screw yourself into higher prices now for something that you could get for cheap and sell for ridiculously high prices later. That's economics in a nuthsell.
2. If this was a conspiracy and we knew that we were going to go into a war and go occupy countries that we have no business in, what would be the point? In bringing this upon ourselves we would be doing nothing more than leaving an open invitation for more people to breed hatred towards us. Don't you think we have enough of those already?

(I just got interrupted during typing for about 15 minutes and lost my train of thought, but there were points that I had.  ;))

Basically, in my honest opinion, there is way too much for our country to lose from blowing ourselves up and spreading blame elsewhere than there is to gain. This isn't to say that I trust our government 100% because like everyone else in the world, they have their own agenda and that's what they care about most.(+ I don't know them personally, who goes and trusts a stranger?) But I do believe like Queen said, they are there to protect us and our rights, and to the best of their ability I believe that is what they are doing.

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Re: 9/11
« Reply #72 on: September 28, 2010, 12:37:01 pm »
Well we can all agree that they could have stopped it. all commercial planes have gps systems and show up on a radar. if those panes did anything suspisious (wich they did) they would have sent out army jets. Also, remeber the patriot act? the unconstitutional spying on the american people. The government is not worried about protecting us and our best intrest. if teywere, then why is our food approved y them and full of body destroying garbage?
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« Reply #73 on: September 28, 2010, 01:41:35 pm »
Like i told queen, whether you believe it was government invlolved, or 19 muslim cavemen that planted military grade explosives in both WTC towers 1 & 2 and set up WTC7 to all implode into thier own footprints. It was a conspiracy either way. Oh yeah, and there have been so many skyscrapers in history to burn 10 times as long as the wtc did and none of them collapsed. Also, is everyone insisting that, despite allowing and even "USDA approving" our food to be pumped full of garbage, allowig people in new orleans to suffer during hurricane kartrina, The very founding of this country was on evil grounds, enslaving people from africa (and it took far more than a hundred years for them to even be able to use the same bathroom as "whites"), that "our government" couldn't have or wouldn't have been responsible?
So no one can respond to this one?
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #74 on: September 28, 2010, 02:47:46 pm »
I've heard that conspiracy theory before.  I hope that our government isn't that corrupt. But if it ever comes to be getting to a *bleep* state then I'm sure as hell will try to do something about it even if have to die in the process.

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