9/11

[502mania]

Did you ever see the jumpers?

That is really freakin poor taste to put that up! Do you get off on this stuff? That is beyond thoughtless.

STFU...

Why do you keep saying "shut the *bleep* up"? this isn't a childish argument. can we please be civil here?

That's not what I am saying

oh yea you mean Sam's Toucan Froze Up

[Alyia72]

Did you ever see the jumpers?

That is really freakin poor taste to put that up! Do you get off on this stuff? That is beyond thoughtless.

STFU...

Why do you keep saying "shut the *bleep* up"? this isn't a childish argument. can we please be civil here?

That's not what I am saying

oh yea you mean Sam's Toucan Froze Up

LOL

[Alyia72]

Did you ever see the jumpers?

That is really freakin poor taste to put that up! Do you get off on this stuff? That is beyond thoughtless.

STFU...

Why do you keep saying "shut the *bleep* up"? this isn't a childish argument. can we please be civil here?

That's not what I am saying

oh yea you mean Sam's Toucan Froze Up

Shut the freak up is what i am sayin'

No matter what word you chose the act of telling someone to shut up in a debate or discussion just because u disagree is what makes it juvenile.

[502mania]

exacty, Aly, thnx
now that thats out of the way. back to the real discussion
im going to post a link to a video showing the extra explosions
and proof. most will be clips from loose change. has anyone on this forum even seen it?

[Alyia72]

I haven't yet I am going to watch it tonight after I take the hubby to work.  Hubby has though he's always talking about it whenever we get into discussion about 9/11.  That and the Obama Deception which I haven't watched yet either.

[502mania]

I haven't yet I am going to watch it tonight after I take the hubby to work.  Hubby has though he's always talking about it whenever we get into discussion about 9/11.  That and the Obama Deception which I haven't watched yet either.

both are great. I strongly recommend the loose change one. you can pretty much google and find out about how corrupt obama is.

[502mania]

I haven't yet I am going to watch it tonight after I take the hubby to work.  Hubby has though he's always talking about it whenever we get into discussion about 9/11.  That and the Obama Deception which I haven't watched yet either.

after you watch it, let me know your conclusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE
theres the link for easy access

[502mania]

This is NOT the one I was trying to find, but it gives an excellent description and photo of the damage and also explains why it wasn't more extensive. They also mention Meyssan and his 'debunked' theory I wrote about. If you look at the photo, you'll see how much more than just the outside of the Pentagon incurred damage.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.asp

It dosen't explain how a 125 ft. plane made a 64 ft. hole

[Alyia72]

Did you ever see the jumpers?

That is really freakin poor taste to put that up! Do you get off on this stuff? That is beyond thoughtless.

STFU...

Why do you keep saying "shut the *bleep* up"? this isn't a childish argument. can we please be civil here?

That's not what I am saying

oh yea you mean Sam's Toucan Froze Up

Shut the freak up is what i am sayin'

No matter what word you chose the act of telling someone to shut up in a debate or discussion just because u disagree is what makes it juvenile.

mmm hmm could you practice what you preach, it would be nice.

First I was not preaching I was explaining what part of what you said was considered childish.  Secondly, I have never to my recollection told you out right to shut up because I didn't like what you had to say.  Have I disagreed with you time and time again? Sure because its hard to agree with someone all the time when they change their stance on issues every 5 min.  If you can point out which post I ever said the words shut up directed at you or anyone else I would apologize to whomever I said it too, but I don't think you can because I honestly don't think it ever happened.  I have on many occasions called it how I see it when it comes to your nonsense posts to get attention.  I have also one time lost my temper and responded to you in anger after you insulted me.  And I honestly felt bad afterward...not for the things I said because they were truth, or for how you might take them but because I let you get to me and drive me to the point of anger (kinda like my kid does but not online).  That will never happen again. That is why I removed you from ignore because I realized that wasn't very sportsman like by silencing you by hitting ignore.   My point is I realized my wrong..the question is can or will you?   I am more than willing to include you in discussion about issues presented if you refrain from personally attacking and going way off topic like I just have again lol.  If you find said post of me saying shut up please PM me the link and lets not turn 502's thread into a back and forth argument OK?

[502mania]

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flight77.htm
look over this site. tell me ifou stllthink a plane hit.

[502mania]

also, how did WTC7 collapse? no plane hit it.

[Alyia72]

I haven't yet I am going to watch it tonight after I take the hubby to work.  Hubby has though he's always talking about it whenever we get into discussion about 9/11.  That and the Obama Deception which I haven't watched yet either.

after you watch it, let me know your conclusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE
theres the link for easy access

Well I watched it and all I can really say is I still have the same feelings and concerns.  It was definitely an interesting take on what happened but I am still not sure what I believe is total truth.  I have already seen several of the points made in the video from other sources, for example the alleged terrorists that were supposedly on the planes being alive and well.  I don't recall where I saw this but wherever it was they were speaking with them over the phone and many of them were claiming identity theft.  Again I have no idea how true this was all I know is what I saw.  If I recall it was also a special on 9/11 on history channel that aired after the one I mentioned before which I found here if anyone wants to look through the footage http://www.history.com/shows/102-minutes-that-changed-america/interactives/witness-to-911.  Just click through the different buildings to start the video that was shot from each area.  I cant find the second show I watched it was mostly about the first plane that hit the WTC.

[502mania]

marie, are you insisting that the first and last steel buildings in history to collapse from a fire happened within the same hour? that's too coincidental

[jordandog]

@502mania:
You don't seem to want to budge as far as the Pentagon damage and quite a few other points brought out here, so I guess you'll stick with the total conspiracy folks. If you are the type of person who sees the subplot/conspiracy to all that happens vs any of what just might be the truth, then that is the path you will follow, no one is going to convince you otherwise. There's nothing wrong with that as long as it doesn't turn into complete paranoia. I believe we should question what we are told and I do not trust the government, but I don't see ulterior motives in everyone and every action either.

There is one point I will give the 'conspiracy camp' and that is the 'supposed' collapsing, on it's own, of WTC Tower 7.  The final NTIS report does not match the available facts and supports the theory that the building was brought down by controlled demolition. If it was, I have to belive there was a reason for it and it is NOT one that the public as a whole is going to be informed about. Maybe in the future, who knows.

When horrid events like this occur there is always speculation. All of a sudden, everybody and their brother is out there blogging, making videos, writing books, anything they can come up with and saying "This has been planned for this long and I knew this day would come. I knew so and so was doing this/that 20 years ago. I have kept track of all these peoples'/groups' movements, papers, phone calls, and meetings and I knew they were up to something!" The list goes on. So, the million dollar question comes yet again from me - If you were and are so sure you all knew about this, why the hell did you not say it before it happened?! Please don't come back with "they couldn't, they would risk their lives" because with the freedom in this country to pretty much say and print and protest and demand what you want, there is a way they could have put the info out there before the event happened. To say it would be a risk to put it out before is ludicrous because they are at just as much 'risk', if not more, by putting it out there afterward. I don't think any of us can deny all the 'internet lunatics' that write and video file things we have access to if we want it.

If I know some nutjob is going to torch or bomb my neighborhood, do you think I'm going to keep my mouth shut until the police and fire departments are coming down the street?

[502mania]

It's not that i won't budge from my theory. and i have seen several debunked videos and sites. none of them cover how a 125ft. plane made a 64ft. hole, none explain the small explosions as the tower collapsed. the reason i think our government (who i will never trust until they get the corrupt wall street bastards out of power) had something to do with it for a few reasons. 1. why have we been lied to sooooooo much about it? they dodge questions and confiscate secuity camera footage at the pentagon, then claim the footage dosen't exist. 2. it's entirely too coincidental how all of the towers collapsed "from fires". like i've stated befor they were the first and last in history if it's true. 3. they changed the story several times. 4. remeber Hitler? he manipulated the public into thinking jews were a different race and were evil. That seems like the same case here, only this time to get public approval to go into a war on "terrorism" instead of what he did. M mind s ALWAYS open for new opinions and views. queen, if you can provide a link to exlain my above observations, i will reconsider my opinion. but i still won't trust the government.