The Official God Thread - To Discuss God and Seek Answers

[armychick09h]

i understand religion is a hot topic. But to get nasty in a debate. instead of being open with ones opinion.
If someone doesnt believe in hell and you do, to sit there and say they will rot in it, what will that accomplish?
to show your nasty side?
i admit i do it too,by doing it too i mean get heated and try to pursuade a person to my beliefs.
but not once do i sit there and get nasty with that person.
and if its not being nasty, maybe put it in a better way or explain it to where people know its not meant to be nasty.
Forums cant show emotions.

but it is interesting hearing everyones side on God. 

She has mental issues and demands attention. Talking to her only makes her worse.

ive seen alot of mean post about her. You know its good to be emotional over what you believe and when you put it in the conversation it shows how strong you believe in it. To say someone has mental issues isnt right. i dont think she does. i know mental issues because on eof my uncles is mental and i can not see him. But since this is a conversation about God, i can see where you think talking to her makes it worse. Maybe its not the same opinion as you and after awhile of a heated debate you lack the same control as earlier in the conversation cause it gets nowhere. Same as she. everone does it.

[armychick09h]

its probably just because of how you state something or maybe because its not the belief they share who cares?
you have something/someone who knows you all that matters

[amyrouse]

i understand religion is a hot topic. But to get nasty in a debate. instead of being open with ones opinion.
If someone doesnt believe in hell and you do, to sit there and say they will rot in it, what will that accomplish?
to show your nasty side?
i admit i do it too,by doing it too i mean get heated and try to pursuade a person to my beliefs.
but not once do i sit there and get nasty with that person.
and if its not being nasty, maybe put it in a better way or explain it to where people know its not meant to be nasty.
Forums cant show emotions.

but it is interesting hearing everyones side on God. 

She has mental issues and demands attention. Talking to her only makes her worse.

ive seen alot of mean post about her. You know its good to be emotional over what you believe and when you put it in the conversation it shows how strong you believe in it. To say someone has mental issues isnt right. i dont think she does. i know mental issues because on eof my uncles is mental and i can not see him. But since this is a conversation about God, i can see where you think talking to her makes it worse. Maybe its not the same opinion as you and after awhile of a heated debate you lack the same control as earlier in the conversation cause it gets nowhere. Same as she. everone does it.

She's told us that she has mental issues.  Many times she adds much to the discussion, but many times she doesn't.  She has a history of turning topics around to an "all eyes on Marie" topic, and she is just as mean, if not meaner, than people are to her.  I don't know how long you have been here...I've been here since June, so not very long, but long enough to see what is going on.  I actually like the Marie that participates and adds something meaningful to the topic at hand; but there is also the other side of that where Marie posts topic upon topic of misplaced topics (that really belong in Off Topic, and she does this knowingly, and has admitted it herself) and hateful remarks, and then pulls out the pity card.  As for proof...I could offer some, but the rest has probably been deleted.  Admin actually took the option to delete a topic away after Marie abused the privilege.   

[Falconer02]

She's completely bonkers. Very few times she adds to the discussion, but the majority of the time she doesn't.

I corrected your post, Amy.

Oh and hey, Armychick! FYI- Marie's the perfect example of an internet troll so don't bother arguing with her at all.

[Cuppycake]

Cuppycake, your Halloween-themed avatar is adorable!

Thanks! It is an avatar I use to represent myslef and my husband lol! He calls me a cat and I say he is a bear! ♥ I changed the picture up a bit to make it a holiday version!

[Cuppycake]

She's completely bonkers. Very few times she adds to the discussion, but the majority of the time she doesn't.

I corrected your post, Amy.

Oh and hey, Armychick! FYI- Marie's the perfect example of an internet troll so don't bother arguing with her at all.

I try to warn people not to feed the troll lol.

[Cuppycake]

Cuppycake, your Halloween-themed avatar is adorable!

Thanks! It is an avatar I use to represent myslef and my husband lol! He calls me a cat and I say he is a bear! ♥ I changed the picture up a bit to make it a holiday version!

I think I will make an animated version. I just made that one fast so that I could use it on trillion and surprise my husband at work lol!

[queenofnines]

Cuppycake, your Halloween-themed avatar is adorable!

I changed the picture up a bit to make it a holiday version!

I noticed they weren't wearing the sweaters before!     That's very creative!

[tammyrwa]

How does a person know that hell doesn't exist- have they been there?- you know it's pretty funny that if you ask people if they believe in heaven, they don't have a problem with it, but when you say that there is a hell to punish people, they have a problem with a big bad mean God who created hell for them if they don't accept him. Let me ask you if it is fair that a person or persons should be able to commit a crime and not be punished?- you would say no, should they go to prison- you would say yes- well God, who created us all, and has has a peanalty for sin, because he created us, he has a right to make the rules, and those are the rules he made, believe it or not. For those who say we came form something, how do you say we were created- what's your theory?-see if if it sounds more rational than a Being that created the beautiful world we have and everything in it. hell is not a horrible aspect of Christianity- as I said before, it is okay to live the way you want, and go to heaven, but it is not fair to live the way you want, do bad things, not be sorry and go to a place called hell- sounds right to me. What religion, if any do you see as valid?- give me the reason that your religion of choice is so great. Mareelisa and others can be as cynical and sarcastic as they want, but I assure you that when they take their last breath, it is the God they say they don't believe in that they will call- the soul knows its owner- there are no athiests in fox holes,- when all hope is gone, you won't call on your family, friends, job, lover, or government, you will call on the one that your soul knows can save it- period. The word says that 'and the books were opened, and all whose name was not found in the lamb's book of life were cast into the lake of fire and brimstone"- you will not sleep in hell, you will be alive, and in torment forever(yes, I said forever)- that is the price for unbelief- whether you think it harsh or not. I am all for respecting others  beliefs, as long as they respect mine- blowing up people, in the name of your religion, or doing other destructive acts is not right, I don't care what religion it is- we must respect, and have debate, but not harm each other.

[jcribb16]

   Tammy, you are so right and make very good points.  Just be prepared for a couple to really put your points to the test - stand for your convictions!  Put the points right back at them.  I have been through it and what bothers me is the mockery and name-calling that can come out of it, instead of questions and answers, or reasons why they are against Christianity in general, or reasons why they believe what they do.  I am glad to debate with anyone over my beliefs but I give respect to their desire to believe how they wish and I expect respect for my choice of how I believe (in God, for that fact.)  It's not always the easiest debates over religion in these forums, so just stand up for what you believe and have good answers back to their questions, and have good questions for them to answer. 

There are several in here, like myself, who are Christians, as well as non-christians being in here.  Most of these people are really nice and listen and respond well. I enjoy debating/chatting/discussing with them~!

[amyrouse]

How does a person know that hell doesn't exist- have they been there?- you know it's pretty funny that if you ask people if they believe in heaven, they don't have a problem with it, but when you say that there is a hell to punish people, they have a problem with a big bad mean God who created hell for them if they don't accept him. Let me ask you if it is fair that a person or persons should be able to commit a crime and not be punished?- you would say no, should they go to prison-

but it is not fair to live the way you want, do bad things, not be sorry and go to a place called hell- sounds right to me.

It seems wrong that hell should exist in the manner that many religious describe it.  It is eternal torture for the ones who don't believe in Jesus/G-d.  How is a loving parent so vengeful that they would do this to the worst of their children?  How could a loving parent submit their child to this eternal torture just for not believing in them?  Doesn't sound very loving to me.  And, to pull out Godwin's Law here, Hitler the Catholic who believed he was doing g-d's work had a place in heaven while someone like QON, Jordandog, or Falconer wouldn't because they don't believe in g-d.  How is that right?  I don't accept Jesus as my savior...is there a place in hell for me, too?  Just because we don't believe in Jesus as a Messiah or g-d figure doesn't mean we do bad things.  For that matter, if a person does something bad and feels sorry for it...what if they apologize to the person they have wronged but are still an atheist?  Are they deserving of hell?  More so than someone who kneels at the side of their bed and prays to g-d for forgiveness?

What religion, if any do you see as valid?- give me the reason that your religion of choice is so great.

I am all for respecting others  beliefs, as long as they respect mine- blowing up people, in the name of your religion, or doing other destructive acts is not right, I don't care what religion it is- we must respect, and have debate, but not harm each other.

I am not going to pick and choose valid religions, because there is one that is valid for me, but that religion doesn't necessarily work for everyone.  And I will not defend my religion to you, either.  Whether or not you want to believe it, your words here are contradictory of themselves.  You claim respect for others beliefs...only if they respect yours.  That is not true respect.  This is a personal thing...the only thing you have control over are your own actions.  The golden rule does not say "treat others as they treat you" but "treat others as you want to be treated." 

[amyrouse]

It seems wrong that hell should exist in the manner that many religious describe it.  It is eternal torture for the ones who don't believe in Jesus/G-d.  How is a loving parent so vengeful that they would do this to the worst of their children?  How could a loving parent submit their child to this eternal torture just for not believing in them?  Doesn't sound very loving to me.

Maybe it is just a simple seperation from God. If they don't believe he exists or there is an after life, then they can just rot in the ground like they believe they will do.

They in the end seperated themselves from God, not the other way around.

Luke 16

22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried.
23In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'

Just because we don't believe in Jesus as a Messiah or g-d figure doesn't mean we do bad things.  For that matter, if a person does something bad and feels sorry for it...what if they apologize to the person they have wronged but are still an atheist?  Are they deserving of hell?  More so than someone who kneels at the side of their bed and prays to g-d for forgiveness?

If you are evil in the heart and refuse God, then what do you expect? Jesus will look at you and say "I never knew you" and he doesn't.

If you are that concerned with Hell, then maybe you need to find God, otherwise accept your punishment.

You telling me I need to find g-d?  That's funny.  There is nothing evil about my heart, and I don't refuse g-d.  And I'm not concerned with hell...it doesn't exist...I was responding to tammy.

Do you just like to cause mayhem?

[amyrouse]

You telling me I need to find g-d?  That's funny.  There is nothing evil about my heart, and I don't refuse g-d.  And I'm not concerned with hell...it doesn't exist...I was responding to tammy.

Do you just like to cause mayhem?

One thing people should know about how I speak online, when I say you...I mean in general, to whomever it concerns.

Rationalize it however you want; you are still one of the rudest people I've ever spoken with.

[amyrouse]

Here is me being the rudest I can be...if you don't like the answers someone gives, then quit asking questions and answer them your damn self...answer them, to whatever suits you. Geez!! 

This isn't about not liking the answers someone gives...when they give a decent, well thought out answer.  This is about an exchange of ideas.  You could take your own advice.  You don't put any thought into your "The Bible says so" answers...you really think we're all that stupid to think that it doesn't say that?  Many of us have clearly read the bible while you have admitted you haven't, but this discussion isn't all about the bible.  I was asking tammy questions and asking her to think outside the bible.  I'm sorry if you misunderstood... but there is no excuse for the rudeness I have seen from you everywhere on this forum...and everyone is tired of the pity party.  I would feel much differently if you were actually making an effort to be a member of the forum instead of a PITA...but no matter how many times people ask you nicely or try to help you, it doesn't work.

[amyrouse]

Here is me being the rudest I can be...if you don't like the answers someone gives, then quit asking questions and answer them your damn self...answer them, to whatever suits you. Geez!! 

This isn't about not liking the answers someone gives...when they give a decent, well thought out answer.  This is about an exchange of ideas.  You could take your own advice.  You don't put any thought into your "The Bible says so" answers...you really think we're all that stupid to think that it doesn't say that?  Many of us have clearly read the bible while you have admitted you haven't, but this discussion isn't all about the bible.  I was asking tammy questions and asking her to think outside the bible.  I'm sorry if you misunderstood... but there is no excuse for the rudeness I have seen from you everywhere on this forum...and everyone is tired of the pity party.  I would feel much differently if you were actually making an effort to be a member of the forum instead of a PITA...but no matter how many times people ask you nicely or try to help you, it doesn't work.

Well guess what, those are my answers, those are my beliefs and that's how I think...I am like 1 step away from being an atheist, you know...because I don't think like believers and really can't. I bounce back and forth, o'well that's me.

1 day I am an atheist, the next agnostic or an agnostic believer. It is well thought out to me, so what the f- ever.

OK...I'll bite...you really think this is a well thought out answer?

And, to pull out Godwin's Law here, Hitler the Catholic who believed he was doing g-d's work had a place in heaven while someone like QON, Jordandog, or Falconer wouldn't because they don't believe in g-d.  How is that right?

Because God says so.

What about this?

I don't accept Jesus as my savior...is there a place in hell for me, too?

That is what the bible says.

Doesn't sound to me like you're doing much thinking here.