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[Annella]

Quote from Annella:
Why is it disgraceful?

Quote from queenofnines:
It's disrespectful and unconstitutional to try and claim that a specific religious dogma should/does run our nation.

No one said they are running our nation - they're too busy trying to stomp Christianity in the ground.  What was said was the country (other than Indians living here) was BUILT on Christian morals and principles.

Quote from Annella
Do you even know what a New World Order means?

Quote from queenofnines:
Of course.  But I'd have to use the word "delusional" again to talk about it.

The New World Order spoken of is NOT delusional.  It is coming and will not be what you want to be a part of.

Thank you Jcribb.  I'm also answering posts on another thread, and I'm getting pretty fried without any real sleep for 26 hours. 

Your posts are so to the point, and much more explanatory than mine.

[Annella]

Intimidation is a tool used by highly insecure people who want desperately to control.  It's weak character.

OR what appears to be "intimidation" can also be the reader not understanding intelligent points.  Which is the case in anything "intimidating" I write on this forum, because I'm most certainly not insecure nor seeking control. 

Now....can you provide me with the statistics I asked for about the Atheistic countries being happier than Christian ones?  This does highly interest me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA

and also directly on their website: http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi-data/#/2010/scor

Notice in 2007 and 2008, the U.S. ranked in the top two WORST colors for peace.  Atheistic Europe, on the other hand, has always been green.   

Why is it disgraceful?

It's disrespectful and unconstitutional to try and claim that a specific religious dogma should/does run our nation.

Do you even know what a New World Order means?

Of course.  But I'd have to use the word "delusional" again to talk about it.

Hey!  That was uncalled for.  I get your understanding just fine.  You don't have to insult my intelligence.  Honestly qon, why can't you post without being insulting?

Thank you for the sites btw, I'll get to them later.  I'm truly interested who took this poll, and how it came to be evaluated, and the results reached.

[jcribb16]

Quote from Annella:
Why is it disgraceful?

Quote from queenofnines:
It's disrespectful and unconstitutional to try and claim that a specific religious dogma should/does run our nation.

No one said they are running our nation - they're too busy trying to stomp Christianity in the ground.  What was said was the country (other than Indians living here) was BUILT on Christian morals and principles.

Quote from Annella
Do you even know what a New World Order means?

Quote from queenofnines:
Of course.  But I'd have to use the word "delusional" again to talk about it.

The New World Order spoken of is NOT delusional.  It is coming and will not be what you want to be a part of.

Thank you Jcribb.  I'm also answering posts on another thread, and I'm getting pretty fried without any real sleep for 26 hours. 

Your posts are so to the point, and much more explanatory than mine.

Thanks, Annella.  However, yours go into a lot more detail.  I'm just trying to get to the petty points that are being made that either show ignorance or opinionation, or just out-and-out put-down comments that need to be addressed right back.   

[Annella]

Quote from Annella:
Why is it disgraceful?

Quote from queenofnines:
It's disrespectful and unconstitutional to try and claim that a specific religious dogma should/does run our nation.

No one said they are running our nation - they're too busy trying to stomp Christianity in the ground.  What was said was the country (other than Indians living here) was BUILT on Christian morals and principles.

Quote from Annella
Do you even know what a New World Order means?

Quote from queenofnines:
Of course.  But I'd have to use the word "delusional" again to talk about it.

The New World Order spoken of is NOT delusional.  It is coming and will not be what you want to be a part of.

Thank you Jcribb.  I'm also answering posts on another thread, and I'm getting pretty fried without any real sleep for 26 hours. 

Your posts are so to the point, and much more explanatory than mine.

Thanks, Annella.  However, yours go into a lot more detail.  I'm just trying to get to the petty points that are being made that either show ignorance or opinionation, or just out-and-out put-down comments that need to be addressed right back.   

My American Lit. Teacher used to tell me that I give good written explanation, but sometimes get bogged down in details.....lol   He pegged me pretty good!

[queenofnines]

Hey!  That was uncalled for.  I get your understanding just fine.  You don't have to insult my intelligence.  Honestly qon, why can't you post without being insulting?

Why do you take everything I say personally?  The idea of an Anti-christ embodying our American president and leading the world to its demise is crazy talk to anyone who's outside the cult.  That's all.

As for the nation being founded on Christianity, you can go on believing that all you want.  Even if it were true (which it's not), it makes no difference on how we should run our country TODAY.  Religion loves to keep us in the past...

[jcribb16]

Hey!  That was uncalled for.  I get your understanding just fine.  You don't have to insult my intelligence.  Honestly qon, why can't you post without being insulting?

Why do you take everything I say personally?  The idea of an Anti-christ embodying our American president and leading the world to its demise is crazy talk to anyone who's outside the cult.  That's all.

As for the nation being founded on Christianity, you can go on believing that all you want.  Even if it were true (which it's not), it makes no difference on how we should run our country TODAY.  Religion loves to keep us in the past...

Religion needs to stay on the front burner, not in the past....

[Annella]

Hey!  That was uncalled for.  I get your understanding just fine.  You don't have to insult my intelligence.  Honestly qon, why can't you post without being insulting?

Why do you take everything I say personally?  The idea of an Anti-christ embodying our American president and leading the world to its demise is crazy talk to anyone who's outside the cult.  That's all.

As for the nation being founded on Christianity, you can go on believing that all you want.  Even if it were true (which it's not), it makes no difference on how we should run our country TODAY.  Religion loves to keep us in the past...

How can I not take it personally when you direct your insults towards me.  Cut it out!  Didn't you learn how to be civil as a child or acquire good manners?

Where in the world did you get the Anti-Christ embodying our American President  What in world are you talking about?  You made me laugh.....no really....I LOL'd

Thank you, I will go on believing that (because it's true).  I disagree, our country needs all the help and prayer it can get.  How in the world do we keep you in the past?  If that's true then you sure are insinuating we have a lot of power.  Which in a way is true, but it's God's power.  Please enlighten me about how we keep you in the past.

[Annella]

Hey!  That was uncalled for.  I get your understanding just fine.  You don't have to insult my intelligence.  Honestly qon, why can't you post without being insulting?

Why do you take everything I say personally?  The idea of an Anti-christ embodying our American president and leading the world to its demise is crazy talk to anyone who's outside the cult.  That's all.

As for the nation being founded on Christianity, you can go on believing that all you want.  Even if it were true (which it's not), it makes no difference on how we should run our country TODAY.  Religion loves to keep us in the past...

Religion needs to stay on the front burner, not in the past....

Absolutely!

[amyrouse]

For the religion of the founding fathers: http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html

As for Thomas Paine...check out The Age of Reason.  He is usually cited as the most outspoken against religion.

And, queenofnines is correct about the quotes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-47a0EHz_hw

Okay, so according to your first site, they all seemed to have a Christian religion they followed.  My breakdown in the book I have is a bit different. "Chronicles in US History".  Guess where I got it.........in Israel!!!!  lol lol lol  There was the best book shop near the Old City that had the best books.  Religious and otherwise.

I am, for lack of a better word, envious that you have been to Israel.  I would love to go...and in fact, the first year of rabbinical school is spent in Israel.  The thought of it both scares and excites me.

[amyrouse]

Oh boy...seems I need to do some clarification here.

The founding fathers were mostly spiritual/religious men.  They did not, however, write the constitution with Christian morals in mind.  Much of what is written in the constitution is inspired by Plato's Republic.

I believe, though, that there is someone who discussed religion and politics much better than I could:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzsFXYW38hk

[sammywantsya]

That seems to be the way it is on the forums and in life...Yeah, if you believe in God, you're not intelligent...so just die...hahaha well maybe atheists don't want you to die but they will have fun making fun of you. 

this just show how you can be inconsiderate of other people and there beliefs. respect everyones decisions. your not right either way. very childish to say and very insulting to hear.

so you want people who believes in GOD die? you are forgetting one thing missy they are people too. they have feelings like any other. what makes you feel so different that you have the right to say these things? immature narrow minded...

[jordandog]

Oh boy...seems I need to do some clarification here.

The founding fathers were mostly spiritual/religious men.  They did not, however, write the constitution with Christian morals in mind.  Much of what is written in the constitution is inspired by Plato's Republic.

Thanks, Amy. That's what I was referring to when I said this in answer to Annella's question about it NOT being all religious in nature: from me-"They both referenced many things that pointed out a difference as to what you had stated, so I guess in my thinking that showed it was NOT all founded on religion."
You and queen both brought up things re the Constitution and that is where I was coming from.

[sarabtrayior]

I never considered myself a retard, however, I not only believe in God I am staking my LIFE that God is there and he will always take care of me... does this mean I don't have problems, no, problems are a part of life and I am a stronger person because of those problems. I'm sorry you don't have my strength to believe in something you cannot see and I can't see the air I breath but I believe in it too!

[Annella]

I never considered myself a retard, however, I not only believe in God I am staking my LIFE that God is there and he will always take care of me... does this mean I don't have problems, no, problems are a part of life and I am a stronger person because of those problems. I'm sorry you don't have my strength to believe in something you cannot see and I can't see the air I breath but I believe in it too!

Welcome to FC.  Hope you make good money.  God Bless You

[Annella]

All the colonists that left England's tyranny and bondage, did so because they wanted freedom OF religion.  Not freedom FROM religion.  No matter how you sway it, or muddy the water.  Our Nation started out with Christians living in it.  Most of our founding fathers "practiced" and "followed" a gathering of believers.

Thanksgiving is celebrated because of the bounty of the crops in the new land called America.  We give thanks on that day just like the colonists (Pilgrims) because of the blessings of God on them.  If you study it out, they nearly starved that first year or so, until they could bring in their sowing of crops.  The Pilgrims were deeply religious.  

Our Constitution was written for all people and their rights.  However, the people who came to our great Nation and settled here were God fearing, and lived their lives accordingly.  Nobody can dispute that our first President (good old George) was a deeply religious man.  The colonists were not idol worshippers like some other Nations.  They believed in God.  If only non-believers came to found America, we would have a different Nation than we have today.

While the Constitution denotes Freedom of Religion, it does not dictate what those religions are.  The religions that are listed next to the men, on the site Amy gave, most are Christian in origin, and still practiced today.