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[Annella]

Quote from Annella:
Those of you who don't believe the Bible and really hate Christianity, why don't you all go live in countries that have the same beliefs that you do?  There are countries that will welcome you with open arms, and help you "trash" any Christian beliefs...Or just live for 6 months in one of these countries.  Not a 2 week vacation, but actually live there.  Your eyes would be wide open.

Quote from queenofnines:
Heh, this is the funny thing about forums: you end up looking silly when you don't realize who you're talking to.  I HAVE been to 20 countries and LIVED in Europe for 2.5 years.  I must say, it was quite refreshing not having god smeared in my face everywhere I went.  Several "atheistic" European countries rank in the top ten for overall health and happiness...America is like #86 on the list.

However, where I lived there were still plenty of reasons to favor America more that had nothing to do with religion.  Lack of shopping/entertainment facilities, for example.

I want to clarify, queenofnines, God is not being "smeared in your face" on these forums, at least.  The only time it appears that way to you is when you consistently pick apart every sentence (basically) of Christians when they post something back in defense of what they believe in and stand up for it.  I accept your decision as an atheist, but it seems as if you don't accept the fact that we believe in God, and try to intimidate, switch words around, and get aggressive about it.  No wonder it seems like God is being smeared back in your face.  We are trying to show what God's Word says, or other things that we know from history, etc., but we believe in God and live our lives for Him, and will continue to defend our beliefs no matter what you try and turn on us. 

Also, after teaching school for right at twenty years, our country WAS built on Christian and moral principles.  Please stop denying it.

THANK YOU!!  I was beginning to feel like a voice crying in the wilderness.  Obviously you read the same books I did.  Your like the sun popping over the horizon sister!!

[Annella]

For the religion of the founding fathers: http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html

As for Thomas Paine...check out The Age of Reason.  He is usually cited as the most outspoken against religion.

And, queenofnines is correct about the quotes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-47a0EHz_hw

Okay, so according to your first site, they all seemed to have a Christian religion they followed.  My breakdown in the book I have is a bit different. "Chronicles in US History".  Guess where I got it.........in Israel!!!!  lol lol lol  There was the best book shop near the Old City that had the best books.  Religious and otherwise.

[jordandog]

I just want to thank amyrouse and queen for setting the record straight on the founding of this country. It is way too much for my brain to handle right now, but you both brought out points that immediately went through MY mind last night when I read what was written about it being almost completely 'religious' in nature. TY both.

[jcribb16]

I just want to thank amyrouse and queen for setting the record straight on the founding of this country. It is way too much for my brain to handle right now, but you both brought out points that immediately went through MY mind last night when I read what was written about it being almost completely 'religious' in nature. TY both.

The record hasn't been set straight yet.

[Annella]

I just want to thank amyrouse and queen for setting the record straight on the founding of this country. It is way too much for my brain to handle right now, but you both brought out points that immediately went through MY mind last night when I read what was written about it being almost completely 'religious' in nature. TY both.

Did you go to Amy's first site that she posted?  Most of these men were God Fearing.

[queenofnines]

Just because you've been in European countries doesn't mean you've been in any I'm talking about.

Hmm, well you didn't say which ones you were talking about.  Did *I* say I've only been to Europe?  No, no I didn't.

How about some Middle Eastern countries?

Egypt.  Not quite the Middle East, but third-world conditions nonetheless.  And my husband has lived in the Middle East.

Communist controlled countries?

I plan to visit China soon.

I find it hard to believe you lived in 20 countries in 2.5 years.

Proof in the pudding that y'all don't read very carefully.  I didn't say I "lived" in 20 countries in 2.5 years!

I don't appreciate being called silly, bigoted, arrogant, delusional, deceitful, or ignorant by you qon (I'm adding some of these from another post also that you directed towards me).

Well being called "silly" is me being trying to be fake-respectful of a person (that's pretty tame, so what are you complaining about?).  

Bigoted?  No, that was to people with your beliefs about gays in general.  YOU took it personally.  Same thing with arrogant.

Delusional?  Again, I try to keep tabs on outright name-calling.  You'll notice that if I do use a word like this, it's conditional.  You're delusional IF...  I'm sure that makes no difference to you, though.  Being criticized by others is not a nice feeling, especially if they're justified in the criticism.  

Deceitful?  I think you just invented that one.  I don't recall saying this a lot.

Ignorant?  Again, this word speaks truth.  Constructive criticism.

I don't know if you have any idea how you come across on this forum.

Sure I do.  Unlike most people, I've very objective, can get inside people's heads, and thus, know what your perceived opinion is of me.  Again I go back to the point that you're taking the passion and bluntness way too personally.

Not one Christian has done this to you......not one.

They sure have.  Unless you've been policing all 800 of my posts, I think I have a better idea than you do of how how Christians speak to me and others.  I've had many people tell me they appreciate my posts...and I have plenty of believer friends on here.  Just not you.

If you can't address me in an mature, concise manner, or conduct yourself properly without all the degrading insulting labels, don't expect me to post anything more to you about anything.

Heh, you sure like to scold strangers don't you, Ms. Judgment?  I highly doubt you'll be able to resist jumping into the discussions I'm involved in, but if by some "miracle" you can, you won't be missed.

[queenofnines]

I want to clarify, queenofnines, God is not being "smeared in your face" on these forums, at least.

I meant in America, not the forum.  lol  This is an insanely religious country.

[jordandog]

I just want to thank amyrouse and queen for setting the record straight on the founding of this country. It is way too much for my brain to handle right now, but you both brought out points that immediately went through MY mind last night when I read what was written about it being almost completely 'religious' in nature. TY both.

Did you go to Amy's first site that she posted?  Most of these men were God Fearing.

Yes, I did, and I am aware that they were/are. That is precisely WHY I said "being almost completely religious in nature."

[Annella]

Just because you've been in European countries doesn't mean you've been in any I'm talking about.

Hmm, well you didn't say which ones you were talking about.  Did *I* say I've only been to Europe?  No, no I didn't.

How about some Middle Eastern countries?

Egypt.  Not quite the Middle East, but third-world conditions nonetheless.  And my husband has lived in the Middle East.

Communist controlled countries?

I plan to visit China soon.

I find it hard to believe you lived in 20 countries in 2.5 years.

Proof in the pudding that y'all don't read very carefully.  I didn't say I "lived" in 20 countries in 2.5 years!

I don't appreciate being called silly, bigoted, arrogant, delusional, deceitful, or ignorant by you qon (I'm adding some of these from another post also that you directed towards me).

Well being called "silly" is me being trying to be fake-respectful of a person (that's pretty tame, so what are you complaining about?).  

Bigoted?  No, that was to people with your beliefs about gays in general.  YOU took it personally.  Same thing with arrogant.

Delusional?  Again, I try to keep tabs on outright name-calling.  You'll notice that if I do use a word like this, it's conditional.  You're delusional IF...  I'm sure that makes no difference to you, though.  Being criticized by others is not a nice feeling, especially if they're justified in the criticism.  

Deceitful?  I think you just invented that one.  I don't recall saying this a lot.

Ignorant?  Again, this word speaks truth.  Constructive criticism.

I don't know if you have any idea how you come across on this forum.

Sure I do.  Unlike most people, I've very objective, can get inside people's heads, and thus, know what your perceived opinion is of me.  Again I go back to the point that you're taking the passion and bluntness way too personally.

Not one Christian has done this to you......not one.

They sure have.  Unless you've been policing all 800 of my posts, I think I have a better idea than you do of how how Christians speak to me and others.  I've had many people tell me they appreciate my posts...and I have plenty of believer friends on here.  Just not you.

If you can't address me in an mature, concise manner, or conduct yourself properly without all the degrading insulting labels, don't expect me to post anything more to you about anything.

Heh, you sure like to scold strangers don't you, Ms. Judgment?  I highly doubt you'll be able to resist jumping into the discussions I'm involved in, but if by some "miracle" you can, you won't be missed.

Go back and read your own words.  Every title I mentioned was mentioned by you, and aimed at me.  Don't you go back and check what you write?  No matter how you explain away each one, your posts are self explanatory.  As far as inventing anything.....that's an insult......not something I do.

Oh please, your not that important.  The only reason I've posted to you, is when you reply to one of my posts, and dissect every sentence.  Go ahead, and go back and check.....really.  I actually don't have much to say to you because we have nothing in common.  I don't "jump" into your discussions at all.  

Intimidation is a tool used by highly insecure people who want desperately to control.  It's weak character.

Now....can you provide me with the statistics I asked for about the Atheistic countries being happier than Christian ones?  This does highly interest me.

Also, I asked you why my comment of "Our Country was founded on Christian morals and values" was a disgrace to other religions like you stated.  No wait, you said it was a completely disgraceful thing to say to OTHER religions living in this country.  Why is it disgraceful?

When I mentioned a New World Order.  You fired back "Your delusional if you think proper civil rights for all is a bad thing".  Do you even know what a New World Order means?

If you don't want to get called on your intimidating character then stop....easily fixed.
 
When you live in Jordan, United Emirates, China, Syria, Saudi Arabia, from 2-6 months each, then come back and tell me what you perceived there.  Carry your Passport constantly in China, and wear it in a holder under your clothes.  Trust me on this.

[Annella]

I just want to thank amyrouse and queen for setting the record straight on the founding of this country. It is way too much for my brain to handle right now, but you both brought out points that immediately went through MY mind last night when I read what was written about it being almost completely 'religious' in nature. TY both.

Did you go to Amy's first site that she posted?  Most of these men were God Fearing.

Yes, I did, and I am aware that they were/are. That is precisely WHY I said "being almost completely religious in nature."

Uh, so how did Amy and qon prove their point?  This is a list of our Founding Fathers that were Christians, and were instrumental in forming our new country.  I don't believe Amy disagreed by the way.  After all, she did post the site.  If I remember right, you were on the "nay" side?

[queenofnines]

Intimidation is a tool used by highly insecure people who want desperately to control.  It's weak character.

OR what appears to be "intimidation" can also be the reader not understanding intelligent points.  Which is the case in anything "intimidating" I write on this forum, because I'm most certainly not insecure nor seeking control. 

Now....can you provide me with the statistics I asked for about the Atheistic countries being happier than Christian ones?  This does highly interest me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA

and also directly on their website: http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi-data/#/2010/scor

Notice in 2007 and 2008, the U.S. ranked in the top two WORST colors for peace.  Atheistic Europe, on the other hand, has always been green.   

Why is it disgraceful?

It's disrespectful and unconstitutional to try and claim that a specific religious dogma should/does run our nation.

Do you even know what a New World Order means?

Of course.  But I'd have to use the word "delusional" again to talk about it.

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[jcribb16]

Quote from Annella:
Why is it disgraceful?

Quote from queenofnines:
It's disrespectful and unconstitutional to try and claim that a specific religious dogma should/does run our nation.

No one said they are running our nation - they're too busy trying to stomp Christianity in the ground.  What was said was the country (other than Indians living here) was BUILT on Christian morals and principles.


Quote from Annella
Do you even know what a New World Order means?

Quote from queenofnines:
Of course.  But I'd have to use the word "delusional" again to talk about it.

The New World Order spoken of is NOT delusional.  It is coming and will not be what you want to be a part of.

[jordandog]

I just want to thank amyrouse and queen for setting the record straight on the founding of this country. It is way too much for my brain to handle right now, but you both brought out points that immediately went through MY mind last night when I read what was written about it being almost completely 'religious' in nature. TY both.

Did you go to Amy's first site that she posted?  Most of these men were God Fearing.

Yes, I did, and I am aware that they were/are. That is precisely WHY I said "being almost completely religious in nature."

Uh, so how did Amy and qon prove their point?  This is a list of our Founding Fathers that were Christians, and were instrumental in forming our new country.  I don't believe Amy disagreed by the way.  After all, she did post the site.  If I remember right, you were on the "nay" side?

They both referenced many things that pointed out a difference as to what you had stated, so I guess in my thinking that showed it was NOT all founded on religion.

"If I remember right, you were on the "nay" side?"
Huh? What are you talking about? After your initial post (#242837), I said nothing other than to Walks re a link. I haven't said anything about the founding and/or the Constitution. Unless you mean something else, you better check your memory.

[Annella]

I just want to thank amyrouse and queen for setting the record straight on the founding of this country. It is way too much for my brain to handle right now, but you both brought out points that immediately went through MY mind last night when I read what was written about it being almost completely 'religious' in nature. TY both.

Did you go to Amy's first site that she posted?  Most of these men were God Fearing.

Yes, I did, and I am aware that they were/are. That is precisely WHY I said "being almost completely religious in nature."

Uh, so how did Amy and qon prove their point?  This is a list of our Founding Fathers that were Christians, and were instrumental in forming our new country.  I don't believe Amy disagreed by the way.  After all, she did post the site.  If I remember right, you were on the "nay" side?

They both referenced many things that pointed out a difference as to what you had stated, so I guess in my thinking that showed it was NOT all founded on religion.

"If I remember right, you were on the "nay" side?"
Huh? What are you talking about? After your initial post (#242837), I said nothing other than to Walks re a link. I haven't said anything about the founding and/or the Constitution. Unless you mean something else, you better check your memory.

Okay, I could have got that wrong.....apology offered.  I feel like I'm "buzzed", as I can't seem to sleep but just 10 or 15 minute intervals.  My jet lag is different from anyone else's I've known.  I most definitely could have made the mistake.  My memory is fried bread at the moment.

I still adhere that our country was founded on Christian principles, morals, and values.  Most of our founding fathers were Christian.  They were not ALL Christian, but MOST were.  The colonists (pilgrims) were definitely Christian and looking for a land where they could worship however the dictates of their hearts spoke to them.