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walksalone11

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Re: If you believe in God, You're a retard
« Reply #105 on: September 24, 2010, 06:00:31 pm »



  We were founded on Christian morals and values.  You were the one that "jumped" on the Commandments.

There is no "cliche" about how our Nation or society was formed from the beginning.  You just don't like it, because you don't believe the Bible and it's teachings, and try to find any way to dispute it.  However, history bears out how our Nation was founded. 

Those of you who don't believe the Bible and really hate Christianity, why don't you all go live in countries that have the same beliefs that you do?  There are countries that will welcome you with open arms, and help you "trash" any Christian beliefs.  Better yet, change places with some of the inhabitants who worship a God they love in secret and underground, because their Gov't. forbids it.  That would be a better way.  They would love to take your place.

You spout your atheistic belief and how we are so ignorant because we serve God.  Do something about it.  Go join forces with those who think like you do in other countries. 


http://www.danielnpaul.com/DoctrineOfDiscovery.html

I am confused. Walks, are you saying those were NOT Annella's words, but from the source YOU put down? Interesting....
[/quote]No not at all, those were her words, and she is totally right on the target, and the link just goes to bear that out.

Sorry for the confusion. I kinna got over zealous when deleting all the blah blah blah from her post.

jordandog

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Re: If you believe in God, You're a retard
« Reply #106 on: September 24, 2010, 06:13:28 pm »
Gotcha - I wasn't making the connection with the link you had.
You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

walksalone11

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Re: If you believe in God, You're a retard
« Reply #107 on: September 24, 2010, 06:24:07 pm »
Gotcha - I wasn't making the connection with the link you had.
Ya gotta learn to speak "Walks" JDog, LOL, I just know its going to be the official language one day soon ;0)

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Re: If you believe in God, You're a retard
« Reply #108 on: September 24, 2010, 06:30:52 pm »
Gotcha - I wasn't making the connection with the link you had.
Ya gotta learn to speak "Walks" JDog, LOL, I just know its going to be the official language one day soon ;0)
;) :thumbsup:
You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

jcribb16

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Re: If you believe in God, You're a retard
« Reply #109 on: September 24, 2010, 07:48:08 pm »
God doesn't have a problem, people do.

Are we not god's children?  You seem to have missed my point...
I am God's child, you aren't, according to your non-belief.  I haven't missed any point here.  People are the ones who have problems with certain beliefs, etc.  I am simply saying God does not have a problem by not intervening like you are insinuating he should.  We are adults and have our own personal choices that we can make (same as "free will" that you think was invented by Christianity.)  If God intervened all the time, then we would be useless as our own person/s and He should have just gone ahead and made us perfect like Him. But, no, He made us all different, and gives us the opportunity to choose right or wrong, whether or not they are smart choices or foolish. He is like our Father, in that we are in His good graces when we make smart choices, and are disciplined when we make foolish choices.  These foolish choices can mess up other people's lives as well, such as running a red light, colliding with another car, and injuring/killing themselves or other strangers. 

walksalone11

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Re: If you believe in God, You're a retard
« Reply #110 on: September 24, 2010, 07:52:15 pm »
God doesn't have a problem, people do.

Are we not god's children?  You seem to have missed my point...
I am God's child, you aren't, according to your non-belief. 
***raises hand*** UHHHHH 'scuse me.....I haven't read the whole conversation here(shame on me) but does non-belief, in this instance, mean, don't believe in "God" or don't believe in "your God"?

jcribb16

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Re: If you believe in God, You're a retard
« Reply #111 on: September 24, 2010, 07:58:14 pm »
God doesn't have a problem, people do.

Are we not god's children?  You seem to have missed my point...
I am God's child, you aren't, according to your non-belief. 
***raises hand*** UHHHHH 'scuse me.....I haven't read the whole conversation here(shame on me) but does non-belief, in this instance, mean, don't believe in "God" or don't believe in "your God"?

Yes, shame on you, you haven't read the whole thread.  (kinda lol)

walksalone11

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Re: If you believe in God, You're a retard
« Reply #112 on: September 24, 2010, 08:06:21 pm »
God doesn't have a problem, people do.

Are we not god's children?  You seem to have missed my point...
I am God's child, you aren't, according to your non-belief. 
***raises hand*** UHHHHH 'scuse me.....I haven't read the whole conversation here(shame on me) but does non-belief, in this instance, mean, don't believe in "God" or don't believe in "your God"?

Yes, shame on you, you haven't read the whole thread.  (kinda lol)
***hangs head and mopes to the corner for time out***

amyrouse

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Re: If you believe in God, You're a retard
« Reply #113 on: September 24, 2010, 10:33:49 pm »
 :sad1:

Whoa, whoa there, my fellow US citizens...this country was not, I repeat NOT founded as a Christian nation...

Go here: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html and really read the constitution.  Mention of religion?  Article VI where it says: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.  Here is the original oath of office administered to George Washington: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.  http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/pihtml/pioaths.html

Then, not again until the First Amendment. 

In fact, in Article IV, Section 4, it reads:  The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.  What is meant by a Republican form of Government?  Check this out, by my man Plato http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/republic.html

So, how can we explain "In G-d we trust" and "One Nation, Under g-d"? 

In 1942, there was an Act of Congress establishing the pledge of Allegiance.  Twelve years later, in 1954 "under g-d" was added.  "In G-d we Trust" became the national motto in, surprise surprise, 1956.  Something important to remember about this time period in our history is that during this time, there was something going on called the Cold War and the scare tactics of a man named Joseph McCarthy.

The most important thing to remember, though, about our country's origins is the fact that the colonists came here looking for religious freedom.  So, why would men that were concerned with being able to worship their faith freely try to impose upon this new country of theirs a religious dogma?  Our founding fathers were men who had religious faith; however, they were very careful to say "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."  American citizens can worship any way they want to, as long as they are peaceable about it.  This is why there are no laws making protests outside abortion clinics illegal and why the KKK can have rallies...yes, religious groups are behind those, too.


...and thank you, Jordandog and queenofnines for your your statements on the other topics in this thread.   :thumbsup:


...uh, and incidentally, I'm one of g-d's children, too.  In fact, I'm one of g-d's chosen people.  I'm also the one that brought up the topic in the first place (after Jordandog) of why would g-d deliver a warning instead of removing one of g-d's children from harm.  I'm sure any parent would intervene on behalf of their child should they have the opportunity and ability to do so.

...and it still sounds like a bunch of victim blaming going on here in this thread. 



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Re: If you believe in God, You're a retard
« Reply #114 on: September 24, 2010, 10:34:57 pm »
Come back, Walks. I'm sure you had the right thought with that question. Yes, he was referring to his personal deity and how you aren't affiliated with the christian-business contract.

Edit: Thanks for the info, Aye-meh.

« Last Edit: September 24, 2010, 10:37:48 pm by Falconer02 »

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Re: If you believe in God, You're a retard
« Reply #115 on: September 24, 2010, 10:46:43 pm »
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Re: If you believe in God, You're a retard
« Reply #116 on: September 24, 2010, 11:11:33 pm »
God doesn't have a problem, people do.

Are we not god's children?  You seem to have missed my point...
I am God's child, you aren't, according to your non-belief. 
***raises hand*** UHHHHH 'scuse me.....I haven't read the whole conversation here(shame on me) but does non-belief, in this instance, mean, don't believe in "God" or don't believe in "your God"?

Yes, shame on you, you haven't read the whole thread.  (kinda lol)
***hangs head and mopes to the corner for time out***
You don't need to go there!  You're a great sport! LOL :)

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Re: If you believe in God, You're a retard
« Reply #117 on: September 24, 2010, 11:34:27 pm »
Edit: Thanks for the info, Aye-meh.

Do I smell sarcasm or genuine gratitude?  LOL



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Re: If you believe in God, You're a retard
« Reply #118 on: September 25, 2010, 12:45:16 am »
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The most important thing to remember, though, about our country's origins is the fact that the colonists came here looking for religious freedom.  So, why would men that were concerned with being able to worship their faith freely try to impose upon this new country of theirs a religious dogma?  Our founding fathers were men who had religious faith; however, they were very careful to say "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."  American citizens can worship any way they want to, as long as they are peaceable about it.  This is why there are no laws making protests outside abortion clinics illegal and why the KKK can have rallies...yes, religious groups are behind those, too.

Oh come on!  I expect better from you Amy!  Didn't you say that all religious movements were not the same.  Seems you want to blame any religious groups for everything.  KKK?  Oh yeah, I got a white sheet on my bed, and a rope in my garage, and enough wood to make a wooden cross.....does that mean anything?  Just being funny ;) 

Yes, Colonists came here looking for religious freedom, and from the bondage of the church of England which they were forced to attend and adhere to according to the policy and laws of England.  Yes, that's why the Constitution was written as it was (Freedom of Religion).  As far as our country being founded on Christian principles.  It was.  Okay, maybe the "In God We Trust", or the "Nation under God came later.  I don't really know because I'll admit to not studying that out.  I have however, studied history, and read many Bios of our founding fathers (drafted the Constitution).  Ninety percent of them were deeply religious men, and some were even clergy.  George Washington always made mention of God and His favor in letters to Martha while on the field of battle.

Your are right.  The Hebrews are God's first chosen people.  However, the Bible also says that God is no respecter of persons.  In other words, no one race is better than the other.  However, I've seen the Jews down at the Kotel, and praying 3 times a day in Israel....it put me to shame.  Your heritage is rich and full of natural blessings, but we as gentiles have had a chance to enter into God's blessings also.  We are "grafted in" the main Olive tree, and enjoy the same blessings as heirs to Salvation.  We are also called "Children of Abraham".

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Re: If you believe in God, You're a retard
« Reply #119 on: September 25, 2010, 01:28:09 am »
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The most important thing to remember, though, about our country's origins is the fact that the colonists came here looking for religious freedom.  So, why would men that were concerned with being able to worship their faith freely try to impose upon this new country of theirs a religious dogma?  Our founding fathers were men who had religious faith; however, they were very careful to say "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."  American citizens can worship any way they want to, as long as they are peaceable about it.  This is why there are no laws making protests outside abortion clinics illegal and why the KKK can have rallies...yes, religious groups are behind those, too.

Oh come on!  I expect better from you Amy!  Didn't you say that all religious movements were not the same.  Seems you want to blame any religious groups for everything.  KKK?  Oh yeah, I got a white sheet on my bed, and a rope in my garage, and enough wood to make a wooden cross.....does that mean anything?  Just being funny ;) 

Yes, Colonists came here looking for religious freedom, and from the bondage of the church of England which they were forced to attend and adhere to according to the policy and laws of England.  Yes, that's why the Constitution was written as it was (Freedom of Religion).  As far as our country being founded on Christian principles.  It was.  Okay, maybe the "In God We Trust", or the "Nation under God came later.  I don't really know because I'll admit to not studying that out.  I have however, studied history, and read many Bios of our founding fathers (drafted the Constitution).  Ninety percent of them were deeply religious men, and some were even clergy.  George Washington always made mention of God and His favor in letters to Martha while on the field of battle.

Your are right.  The Hebrews are God's first chosen people.  However, the Bible also says that God is no respecter of persons.  In other words, no one race is better than the other.  However, I've seen the Jews down at the Kotel, and praying 3 times a day in Israel....it put me to shame.  Your heritage is rich and full of natural blessings, but we as gentiles have had a chance to enter into God's blessings also.  We are "grafted in" the main Olive tree, and enjoy the same blessings as heirs to Salvation.  We are also called "Children of Abraham".


I don't believe I made any inference there that all religious groups are the same.  I mentioned the KKK because I wholeheartedly do not agree with them...yet they still have religious freedom.  I also said that the founding fathers were men who had religious faith.  I do not deny this.  I do believe wholeheartedly, though, through my study that they worded the constitution the way they did for a reason.  They were not trying to deny the importance of religion but rather not deem one religion to be more important than another.  Also, it is important to keep religion and governance separate.  That is why there is no religious test to take office and that is what the First Amendment is about...not freedom from religion but the freedom to practice what you believe how you believe without harming others.

I am a deeply religious person, and have seriously considered and researched what it would take to become a rabbi.  I am also a political scientist with a degree in this field of study.  I've studied it in depth and I've found that, yes, the founding fathers were religious, but they were still adamant about not establishing any specific religion in this country. 

How am I trying to blame religious groups here?  Please point it out so I can rectify that miscommunication.

The reason I brought up the "g-d's child" and "chosen people" thing was because of a comment made on here that non-believers were not g-d's children.  I am not any less g-d's child than any Christian debating on this forum (and I am the one whose rape is in question)...and neither is a non-believer.  One does not have to be Jewish/Christian/religious to be in g-d's good graces...I am actually in the process of discussing the Noachide Laws with my rabbi and what it means for gentiles.  In fact, any parent does not stop loving their child even if their child disowns them.  I know the atheists and agnostics of this thread will garner little comfort from that, but I believe it.



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