Freedom of Speech

[thejoe2k8]

I was reading a few threads where people would post their feelings about certain offer or advertiser or other feelings about things and all that would be posted in the reply was, "read the forum rules."

I'm not one to step on anyone's toes, but I run a few online forum's and there's federal guidelines that you have to follow, including the right to free speech.  The "rules" listed are against federal statutes regarding online venues where people gather to chat or whatever you want to call it. 

In other words; you can't block or suspend someone who says something bad about an advertiser.  As long as there's nothing offensive to other posters, then they can't be threatened to be banned from the forum.  And by offensive that means nothing regarding sex, religion, race, or sexual orientation. 

It's against federal laws and is punishable by law if someone is suspended or threatened to be suspended if they don't break any rules.  No public forum can create rules just for the heck of it; they have to abide by federal online rules.  This is a PUBLIC forum.  Which means that the rules enforced have to be ones created by the federal government regarding online activity.  If this was a private forum that would be different, but posters would still be able to post constructive remarks against advertisers.  If most of them would pay out like they say they're going to, then there wouldn't be any reason to say anything bad about them.  I can tell you 5 different links on here that everyone would be wasting their time on going through.

On top of that, if someone wishes to cancel; they have that right to do so and they also have the right to ask how to cancel to.  Nobody can be held against their will to keep something they don't want.  It's called a free trial for a reason and it's also come and go at will.  Because there's no binding contract for anything offered on here.  If they want to cancel and the offer states "sign up for free trial" then they have the right to cancel before the free trial is up.  I'd be willing to bet that 99.9% of the members of this site only sign up for the free trial and cancel after it's credited.  Fine and dandy, that's their business and you can't deny that you do it.  I know too many people on here that do it.  I know somebody bragging about how they made $700 in one month by creating fake references, but nothing was said to them, because they are a senior member of this site.

It also states that anyone and everyone can post a link to another website as long as they don't falsify the content of the website.  This includes referral links.  Like I said as long as they don't say, "make a million dollars overnight," then it is legal for them to post it inside a public forum.  Let's be honest, most everybody on here belongs to another site anyway; so what does it matter?  And most sites only offer pennies to maybe a dollar or so for a referral.  A small price that NOBODY HAS TO PAY OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET in order to help someone else make a little more money.  It would be different if that person had to pay for it themselves.  Which again isn't against the law as long as it's stated someone.

The point I'm trying to make isn't trying to ruin peoples chances in making extra money, but it's learn to treat everybody fair and equal; which doesn't happen in this forum.

So, I suggest that the rules be changed to the federal guidelines before this site gets sited for breaking federal laws and is shut down perminately.

Like I said, I didn't want to step on any toes; I'm just stating things that I know for a fact that can't be done in a public forum.

[jazzy3098]

This site is going no were soon FC has been around for over 2 and a Half years with out any problems.  As far as them getting in trouble for any thing I do not see this happening. 

To me from what you have said in your last statement you sound like you are making some sort of threat against FC.  .

 I suggest that the rules be changed to the federal guidelines before this site gets sited for breaking federal laws and is shut down perminately

I really hope this is not the case.

[Kohler]

This forum is under ownership of FusionCash in which it uses FusionCash resources to operate. The use of our forum is a privilege and it is not a right to use it. You can say whatever you want about whatever, but if you say something about an advertiser that may but a strain on the relationship we have with them, we have to edit your post and ban you. And you are right, people can cancel because we know that you may see something, try it out, and decide it is not for you. What we do not like is people posting numbers so it is easier for others to cancel, especially the people who have no interest in the product and simply wish to earn a reward from it.

"I know somebody bragging about how they made $700 in one month by creating fake references, but nothing was said to them, because they are a senior member of this site."

I do not know if this is in reference to our site or not, but our script is probably one of the most advanced scripts in the GPT world, and anyone trying to cheat the system can easily be found out and stopped.

Again, this is OUR forum, we are not going to allow other sites, our competition, to benefit from OUR members on OUR forum. This site operates in all legal rules both federal and state, if you do not like the rules set forth in the forum, do not post or visit the forum.

[jazzy3098]

This forum is under ownership of FusionCash in which it uses FusionCash resources to operate. The use of our forum is a privilege and it is not a right to use it. You can say whatever you want about whatever, but if you say something about an advertiser that may but a strain on the relationship we have with them, we have to edit your post and ban you. And you are right, people can cancel because we know that you may see something, try it out, and decide it is not for you. What we do not like is people posting numbers so it is easier for others to cancel, especially the people who have no interest in the product and simply wish to earn a reward from it.

"I know somebody bragging about how they made $700 in one month by creating fake references, but nothing was said to them, because they are a senior member of this site."

I do not know if this is in reference to our site or not, but our script is probably one of the most advanced scripts in the GPT world, and anyone trying to cheat the system can easily be found out and stopped.

Again, this is OUR forum, we are not going to allow other sites, our competition, to benefit from OUR members on OUR forum. This site operates in all legal rules both federal and state, if you do not like the rules set forth in the forum, do not post or visit the forum.

Here Here  Well Said Kohler.  I would have liked to see this so called law that this peron is inturpeting just to see how close he is to inturpreting it corectly.   As we know all laws can be inturpreted in many ways.  The right way and the wrong way.   LOL I am sure that the law he was making a pont from was not inturpeted right.

[thejoe2k8]

Like I said, I didn't want to step on any toes.  Sure this website is ran by fusioncash; I was just stating mere fact that even though this is ran by fusioncash, this is still considered a PUBLIC forum.  Which means the rules set forth are against the state and federal mandate set forth for such a forum.

I LIKE FUSIONCASH!  That's why I brought this up.  You can't tell anyone what they can and can't say about anybody.  Constitutional right.  But you can object to the manner of what's said as long as it's not offensive or threatening.

I know these laws exist and are very clear considering the way things are done on the internet the past few years.  As I stated, I run several online forums and almost got in trouble, because I created my own rules and someone reported me.

If this was a "pay for membership" site, then yes, you could run it under the Private Forum Act and make whatever rules you want to enforce.  But the thing is, this isn't a pay site.  Anyone can join at will; making it a Public forum. 

It's also cheap that Fusioncash won't let anyone advertise their "competition," but it's a funny thing that when I go onto one of their competition's sites, they have an ad for fusioncash on there.  How's that right?  A good business treats competition as a resource.  If someone can't find something from my business, I send them to another business to get what they need.  It's called caring for the CUSTOMER'S needs.  That's what we are.  We're not MEMBERS of a website.  We are customer's, consumers, or whatever you want to call it.  If we purchase a service and aren't happy about that service; we as customer's have the RIGHT to object, cancel, and express any dislike we may have about said service.

Like I've said, I didn't want to step on anybodies toes.  I like this site.  I just don't want to see this site get in any trouble, because that's where it's heading if people are continued to have their rights taken away.  Not a threat, just stating fact, because you never know what someone will do. 

So read into it what you want to, opinions are like...  You know?  But when there's laws set in place you can't modify them to your liking.  I don't care frankly, I make more money on the other sites and get it quicker, but I'm thinking of the other people who seem to love this site and seem to enjoy the friends they make or whatever.  I'm not here to make friends, just extra money.

[froggyjoe]

excuse me here COUGHING REALLY LOUD HERE. my first question are you a want to be lawyer. if not Im very sure Fusion Cash is aware any limitations. further more, I guess im out of the 99 percent that cancells any free offer. trial.. I usually and most always go for the free trials to sample the product, or service that im most interested in. most always . havent found one that i didnt like that had to cancel. and still enjoying my membership even after the trial period is over.. and to speculate a poll percentage is just wrong. .. you say 99 percent of people on here that do, do that. let me tell you something honey. to actually speculate or even suggest that you should have solid proof of that happening before you slam that one about. I resent you being a newbie on here and throwing your so called im a lawyer want to be on here. take your own advice on here then.. If you dont like the fusion rules on here . then you are free to cancel. but throwing the rules at fusion is JUST WRONG.

[froggyjoe]

I have reread your letter 2 times . and found so many hypricritcal statements on here and contradicting yourself my head is spinning

[thejoe2k8]

Well, Froggy.  It goes like this.  No, I am no lawyer, nor do I want to be one.  If you've read what I typed then you would have seen that I've done the whole public forum and still do on occassion.  I know the federal laws regarding public forums and YES THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM.  There's not one thing contridicting or hypocritical about my stating pure and simple facts that you can find through any internet search engine.  On one of my PUBLIC forums I had made up my own rules.  I received a complaint from the web host that stated that I was in violation of federal government laws and ones constitutional right of free speech.  The only way, in a public forum, that anyone can threaten a ban or warn someone pertaining to pure text is if it contains profanity or comments towards someones religious, sexual preference or anything else that may be considered discriminatory. 

How am I being a hypocrit or contridictory or even a wannabe lawyer for stating things that anyone can find out?  All you need is common sense and the ability to read on a third grade level to understand what point that I'm trying to make.  Everyone is making a mountain out of a mole hill.  Especially when I'M TRYING TO KEEP THIS SITE FROM GETTING IN ANY TROUBLE.  You're reading too much into what I'm saying.

As far as my statistics.  Based on what I've witnessed on other forums talking about these sites, doing a quick number scan 99 out of 100 people who sign up for the bigger payout trial offers, cancel before the trial ends.  Based on a web poll, out of 1,200 people who voted almost 94% said they have cancelled before the trial offer ended or after they received credit for the offer.  Which is NOT illegal, because you're getting paid to TRY the offer.  It also states that you're not to do an offer that YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN.  But people do it anyway.

Why get upset and blast me for trying to keep the site from getting in trouble?  I never personally blasted anyone or anything like that, so calling me hypocrit is very offensive to me; considering I've not said anything hypocritical by definition.  As far as me being a newbie; I've been a member of this site for over a year.  This is a new account, yes, but only because I don't remember my login information from my old address.  Remember what they say about assumptions?  Don't assume, because somebody doesn't live their entire life on this site that they are a NEWBIE and doesn't have the right to post what is FEDERAL LAW.  Which if you read my posts as much as you say you have then you would generate the fact that I'm trying to help the site out and make it possible for it to be around for another two years or more. 

Go ahead and attack me or what you think the laws should be.  The point is the next time you ban somebody or warn them when they technically haven't done anything wrong other than go against a request, because to be technical, the currents terms of service regarding this forum are just simple requests and are NOT backed by federal laws pertaining public forums.  For the simple reason of if you ban someone for voicing an opinion in a civilized way then fusioncash would be liable in federal court. 

Only here would someone be crucified for telling the truth and trying to help everyone out.  Only here!

[Hardtimer]

Forum rules you can easily find

Observe the golden rule
Treat others as you would like to be treated
Respect our advertisers
Do not discuss cancellation or post disparaging remarks
Do not paste links to other sites
This means no referral links whatsoever - even in private messages
Understand that we cannot filter all of the content on the forums, so you may read or see something you don't like.


Information about cancelling your account easily found by surfing the site.

http://www.fusioncash.net/tos.php

Go to "C" to cancel your account& "click here"



It is ludicris to think a person is so upset over forum rules and not posting things, and why do you even care what the 99% of people do, I assume your not one of those 99% right? Then, by all means your following the rules as stated and should not worry of what others do. You can not always believe what others say. And, forums are not meant for freedom of speech where you can say or do what you wish. Just like in society we can not put a sharp object to ones head and force them to listen or else...... It s about being civilized and intelligent enough to read the rules of each forum you venture on before stating things like" posting referral links" which IS not ALLOWED. This is not the first or last forum that does this. They have the right to set forth this rule as part of THEIR site.

All I can say is goodluck to you.


And, Kohler I am hitting the "ignore" tab now no worries

[froggyjoe]

first contradiction. your saying you do not like how fusion rules are  iLLEGALand yet you say YOU REALLY LIKE FUSION? Contradiction 2: you keep bragging about you had a site and you made up your own rules. so you assume fusion is? are you going to say your going to sue? cause you beleive fusion is breaking some kind of law? but yet your here trying to make money to me that is HYPRICRITICAL.  so my point is if you feel in any way fusion is breakng all the constitution laws on here . Then why are you on an illegal site then. trying to make money on it?

[LendaL]

@thejoe2k8

I understand what you're saying and i have read these forums long enough to know why you made the statements above, and im surprised the FC groupies have not ripped you a new one actually, as they are as protective over this site as a mother bear is of her cubs..

I am not a member of lots of gpt sites, just those that i have taken a particular 'liking' to...and one thing that i have learned in my short time of being a gpt'er is this...when a site is new and its membership is low, they go out of their way to please its members, as the site gets bigger, i notice the members opinions,suggestions, complaints..etc are not taken as seriously as they were before, when membership was low...(anybody that is/was a member of Prizebook should get what im talking about)...before i even sign up to any sites, if they have a forum, i look thru it, and im looking for a couple of things, 1) are the members able to express themselves with a reasonable amount of freedom..2) are any mods/admins ever present or is it wannabe modsyou know the folks that need some sort of recognition so they can feel proud of themselves while they sit at their computer in their underwear typing,(which im sure quite a few folks are doing right now..lol).. 3) Is it a 'friendly' forum...meaning are that particular sites 'groupies' ready to pounce at any sign of criticism etc...-and ALL gpt sites that have active forums have those lunatic azz groupies-

When i find a site that has most of those qualities (and plus pays well) i settle in, i dont waste much time tryin to make suggestions to site owners any more...i figure its THEIR site, and THEY will run it as they please, most of us know  as with most businesses, nothing will be changed/improved/upgraded until someone starts losing money...There are tons of GPT sites out here, so i wouldnt waste alot of time tryin to get some gpt site to see things your way...but instead if you're dedicated...start a site of your own and implement some of your ideas there..(if it pays well and quick i would sign up!.-i think Paycage, has some sort of tutorial on that)...

bottom line to quote Kohler: "This forum is under ownership of FusionCash in which it uses FusionCash resources to operate The use of our forum is a privilege and it is not a right to use it."

You dont have to defend your comments dude, you made your point..and im glad you werent afraid to post what im sure many people of forums like these have opinions about.....the owners of these sites are in the business of keeping the advertisers happy, -advertisers can get you banned, but an advertiser can rob members blind and still be sitting in the offer section...why?...M-O-N-E-Y...the best a site will do is keep warning you to read the TOS very well, stoppin short of saying if you dont 'advertiser X' is gonna dip into your account again..lol..

dont let how FC runs THEIR site bother you...its a privilege to be here..remember??

'Prizebook' woulda deleted your thread and muted you, so its not all bad here

[froggyjoe]

 foot note: Fusion Cash in all right by discretion is bounded by law which has been inforced there of : which gives all parties of Ownership the right to discrimanate against those that violate rules of regulations of thier site rather it would be vulgar, sexual or harrasing. Causing harm or embarrasment to others. should result in the owners of the site right to ban. suspend. such of those speeches should not be allowed on Fusion. so there is a really good line on freedom of speech here.

thats  my story and im sticking to it nothing illegal about that.

[froggyjoe]

  Groupies on Fusion lol.. where can i sign up to be one lol.. I want to be a fusion groupy oh wait I already am lol..

[thejoe2k8]

Clearly you're missing the point I'm trying to make, too.  Forums weren't designed for alot of things, but they're used for those things anyway.  That's why the government stepped in and designed laws governing these things.  Considering most people use online forums and chatrooms to make friends and voice concerns instead of going out to public places or government offices and voicing themselves.  

I never said that I wasn't one of those 99%, because frankly I'm probably the only person in this forum that will say, yes I've done it.  I have cancelled a service, but only after trying it out for a week or two.

Of course there's the golden rule of treating people the way you want to be treated; goes without saying.  But it's not against the law.  I went out of my way after seeing what was going on to inform that it's not right and against the law; just to keep anyone from getting in trouble for it.

I've said my piece and don't really care anymore.  Do whatever you want.

[LendaL]

Groupies on Fusion lol.. where can i sign up to be one lol.. I want to be a fusion groupy oh wait I already am lol..

lol girl, everyone is a groupie when they first sign up...trust me..(i may have been one, but i refuse to admit it, and i dont want anyone looking up my past comments to rub it in my face either!..lol)...most groupies calm down when the freebies start drying up....and they will..