Aliens

[Dbaxley234]

I'm not saying that its easy to create life. But even as primitive as we (humans) still are - we are able to take DNA and create life. Whether it be cloning or artificial insemination, surrogacy ... why is it so far fetched for a more advance civilization to be able to. The Earth is roughly 4 billion years old, The human race has only been around for about 50,000 years, and only had the ability to create documentation for 5,000. These are rough figures, that aren't precise because I can't remember exactly (its been a while). Besides the fact, there have been times that the Earth has been "re-made" within its five cycles (2012 is supposed to be the 5th cycle). Also, humans only really use about 10% of our brains ability - who knows what we could accomplish if we used the other 90%.

[shernajwine]

I'm not saying that its easy to create life. But even as primitive as we (humans) still are - we are able to take DNA and create life. Whether it be cloning or artificial insemination, surrogacy ... why is it so far fetched for a more advance civilization to be able to.

Okay first, we as "primitives" cannot create DNA. When life is created in a lab it already has the ingredients with which to work. Second, the fact that so many factors exist for our planet to host life makes it less likely that just any planet can host life.

Furthermore why is it MORE far fetched to believe that God created the vast expanse of the universe for his own enjoyment and specifically meant for the Earth to be specially designed as the ONLY place for intelligent life? I think people want to believe in aliens for mystery and entertainment. I really want to believe in the Irish Faeries too, it's such a magical and fun concept but it's not likely to be true. The truth is that no evidence has ever been found of ETI.

[Dbaxley234]

 First off - I never said it was easy to CREATE DNA - I said that we can TAKE DNA & CREATE LIFE.
Secondly - who says living creatures can ONLY survive in OUR ideal living environment? On our own planet we have life forms & species that exist in some of the most extreme of environments that we as humans cannot live. And who's to say that a different type of being's (not human) molecular structure has to be even nearly the same as humans? Or that it would need the same elements to survive?

And again - just because we haven't found evidence of it automatically means it doesn't exist. That's pretty closed minded. What about the evidence that some planets have changed and could at one time have sustained life - there's evidence of that on even Mars. Besides - we haven't been able to actually explore any more of the universe - barely even been able to explore our own galaxy.

Why does it have to be for mystery and entertainment to think for as vast as the universe is & we haven't even explored a fraction of it that there's the possibility of other life forms? After all - there are things here on Earth that cannot be explained why or how they were created in such a way. Like the Great pyramids - they had NO technology - so how did they line them up PERFECTLY to the constellation Orion? Same with the Mayan Temples. How did the Mayans have such an intricate knowledge of the Earth, the Sun, and the Solar System much of which wasn't proven for centuries later?? For ex. How did they know the Earth was round & how did they know the lay-out of our solar system when they had no way of seeing or learning about it & before scientists knew the same information??? Besides that there are several other structures on/ within the Earth that can only be seen "whole" from high altitudes - when they had no way of getting up there to know what they were doing or if they were doing it right?? What about the mountain top that was COMPLETELY leveled & is the equivalent of our modern day landing strips? How did it get PERFECTLY level & where did the rocks go? can't be from simple erosion - its too precise & with erosion there's usually the answer of where did it go - but not there its not.

Those are just things on our own planet that cannot be explained. But I guess you believe the Sumerians & their Tablets of Creation, and their knowledge and/or writings of the Annunaki - are all a hoax too?
Tell ya what - check this link out, oh and keep in mind - its a Minister - very religious Godly man who has spent Several years studying the Bible, but has also been open minded enough to study the findings regarding the Sumerians & The Tablets of Creation - who wrote this:

http://sabbathrock.com/tablets.aspx

Otherwise -  I agree with a previous comment that if we are the only intelligent lifeforms in the ENTIRE UNIVERSE - that's aiming pretty low...... especially for a God who is so capable... But that's Just my opinion though.

[shernajwine]

And who's to say that a different type of being's (not human) molecular structure has to be even nearly the same as humans? Or that it would need the same elements to survive?

Science fiction writers have speculated about extra terrestrial life that's built in a radically different form--for instance silicon instead of carbon (what makes life here on earth possible)

Guillermo Gonzales PHD (Degree in physics doctorate in astronomy) says "No that just won't work. Chemistry is one of the better understood areas of science. We know that you just can't get certain atoms to stick together in sufficient number and complexity to give you large molecules like carbon can. You can't get around it.  And you just can't get other types of liquids to dissolve as many different kinds of chemicals as you can with water. There's something like half a dozen different properties of both water and carbon that are optimal for life. Nothing else comes close.  Silicon falls far short of carbon."

And again - just because we haven't found evidence of it automatically means it doesn't exist. That's pretty closed minded.

I didn't say that, I said it was highly unlikely.

Why does it have to be for mystery and entertainment to think for as vast as the universe is & we haven't even explored a fraction of it that there's the possibility of other life forms?

Aliens are a very interesting and entertaining concept. Thus the billions of dollars made through writing, talking, and making movies about them. It's fun to speculate that other forms of life exist somewhere out amongst the stars.

Otherwise -  I agree with a previous comment that if we are the only intelligent lifeforms in the ENTIRE UNIVERSE - that's aiming pretty low...... especially for a God who is so capable... But that's Just my opinion though.

Ummmm I guess I just don't hold humanity in that low of a regard. God dwelt among his creation in flesh and was crucified.....for me, for all people. I think that that kind of love and passion for his creation shows how important we are to him and I don't think it's dismissible due the fact that we are "primitive". I don't know your exact religious beliefs but obviously I am Christian and that is where I'm coming from.

As for the link you shared, it is wonderfully interesting no doubt! But it is one mans interpretation of a portion of biblical history. I'm not saying it isn't true, but based on what science knows about the laws of physics and chemistry, it is highly unlikely for any other intelligent life to exist in our universe. It's not impossible, just not likely.

But quite honestly, I don't care if there are aliens. It makes no bearing on my life other than that, a violent higher advanced life form coming to our planet and wreaking havoc would ruin my day 

[jmtalboo]

In my opinion the evidence shows that UFOs are real, of alien origin, and interacting with humans. I am turning 30 on March 7th and I have been looking deeply into both sides of this issue since I was in the 2nd grade. Here is some material that I strongly suggest taking a look at.

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/

UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go on the Record by Leslie Kean
 
http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307716848
 
Here is a great piece she wrote for MSNBC.
 
Skeptic misses point behind UFO book - Solid sightings cited in ‘UFOs’; serious investigation needed
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38977500/ns/technology_and_science-space/
The Disclosure Project is a nonprofit research project working to fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence, and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. We have over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret.

http://disclosureproject.org/

Here are two great films by James Fox.
 
UFO Coverup Documentary - Out Of The Blue Part 1/9
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdZpRcTBwdA
 
I know what i saw 1/9
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nItzZrEkCI
 
After 50 years of study and investigation, nuclear physicist Stanton T. Friedman has summarized his views about flying saucers. He is convinced that the evidence is overwhelming that some UFOs are intelligently controlled extraterrestrial spacecraft, that the subject represents a Cosmic Watergate, that there are no good objections to these conclusions, and that flying saucer reality and its cover-up is the biggest story of the past millennium.
 
Stanton T. Friedman Presents Flying Saucers and Science
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn8OIkYwAro
 
http://stantonfriedman.com/
Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens by John E. Mack

http://www.amazon.com/Abduction-Encounters-Aliens-John-Mack/dp/0345393007

From Booklist:

Mack's credentials are impressive; he's a Pulitzer Prize winner and professor of psychiatry at the Harvard Medical School's Cambridge Hospital. He has investigated 76 UFO abduction cases over the past four years and here summarizes 13 of them, also offering his scholarly comments and controversial conclusions. These narratives involve scenarios that are sexually explicit, terrifyingly gruesome, and mind-numbingly chilling in their implications for the nature of reality. The individuals Mack portrays have experienced deeply traumatic events that have transformed their lives--for the worse at first, but ultimately for the better. According to Mack, the aliens are objectively real and seem to be abducting people for two purposes: (1) changing human consciousness to prevent the destruction of Earth's ecosystems and (2) creating offsping from aliens and humans. What sets Mack's book apart is his willingness to deal with some of his clients' assertions that they themselves are half-human and half-alien, at least psychologically or spiritually; his acceptance that the laws of physics can be broken (many abductees claim that the aliens can "float" them through solid objects such as doors and closed windows); his seemingly routine procedure to hypnotically regress abductees into previous incarnations; and his emphasis on spiritual transformation as the nexus of the abduction (even likening it to a shamanic expansion of consciousness). How much you agree with all this may depend on where you're coming from to begin with. Nonetheless, Mack has shown the psychiatric community that the UFO abduction syndrome is a real problem that deserves serious clinical attention.