Fallout of Hate Is Spreading Across America from 9/11 Site

[Alyia72]

The people that go on and on about intelligence are usually the stupid ones!!

We are only stupid for playing your childish game and continuing this ridiculous banter back and forth.  Some of us actually tried to include you in an adult conversation and then became frustrated when you couldn't respond back in an adult manner.  If your so much more intelligent then be the bigger person and walk away from the discussion and end the childish argument, most of us are here to discuss an issue not call each other stupid.   As for your statement that your needs are more important than a strangers.  I hope that someday it doesn't take a tragedy for you to realize that a good majority of Americans in general don't feel that way.  For example the Hero's in 9/11 that risked their lives and even gave their lives to try to save there fellow Americans no matter what faith they were of. Those are true American's people that set aside there needs to do good for others regardless of the possible outcome.

[Alyia72]

The people that go on and on about intelligence are usually the stupid ones!!

  For example the Hero's in 9/11 that risked their lives and even gave their lives to try to save there fellow Americans no matter what faith they were of. Those are true American's people that set aside there needs to do good for others regardless of the possible outcome.

They were just doing their job

Actually there were quite a few citizens that volunteered to help in the rescue efforts.

Most americans don't care about the needs of a stranger, do you open your home to homeless people, do you drive a new car instead of a old beat up used one? Do you have all the latest and greatest...exactly, you could care less, what other people need...this is america we want to be rich and have it all.

Who are you to speak for most Americans? Like I said I hope it doesn't take a tragic event for you to realize how good people really can be.  Do I open my home to homeless people? If we had a homeless problem where I live I would help as much as I could.  Do I drive a new car instead of an old one? What on earth does that have anything to do with helping people? But actually no I drive a used car. Do I have the latest and greatest...? No I am not one to sport material things.  I do for my family before myself. And no not everyone wants to be rich and have it all you have a very deluded sense of what America is about.  Are there selfish people in America that want it all sure there are.. But would the majority of those people have a heart and help out in the time of need yes.  Just last month there was a horrific accident here in Ohio involving a semi truck who ran off the road to avoid hitting another vehicle that cut him off. He ran straight into a steel beam which held up an overpass.  Sliced his semi cab right in two which in turn set fire to his truck.  There was an article in our local paper about the people driving by that stopped in the middle of a highway and ran across a busy highway and into the flames to get him out. He later died but he died knowing that people care.  Would I myself have been one of those people had I been driving by you bet I would.  How about all the people that helped out during Katrina? People volunteer all the time because the majority have compassion for those in need. That's the kind of people I am talking about.  If you want to live your life believing that people are evil and selfish good for you but I feel sorry for you. What God would condone that?

[Alyia72]

You don't have to spam to make your point..your just proving the people that call you childish right.  I am not going to continue this pointless conversation with you anymore.  I was merely trying to help you understand that just because the few people you know are selfish and you have learned that's the only way to get what you want in life isn't the way most people live their lives. Your obviously very young and naive and refuse to take other peoples comments for what they are worth.  But I can promise you if I was driving down the road and seen you in a wreck and needed help, despite your arrogance on the forums here I would still help you.  Someday you will mature and realize that there are indeed good people in this country.  Or continue to believe that everyone is selfish and only out for themselves its up to you.  Just remember there are men and women risking there lives every day for you and all of us.  So don't be so quick to judge everyone as a whole based on the few selfish people you personally know.  Have a nice fulfilled life in your little deluded world I have nothing more to say to you.

[jordandog]

I want NO part of the current [totally] off topic back and forth going on here, but was reading the latest posts and saw this:

People go to the military because if they didn't they would be drafted...or you would sit in jail...how messed up is that?

Just so you know, marieelissa, there has not been a military draft here since 1973 and it then became an all-volunteer military force. Males still have to register with the Selective Service between the ages of 18 and 25 so that a draft can be resumed immediately if needed. So all the men and women who are military and/or fighting are doing it by their choice. That's your 'fact of the day' - have to learn something new, right?

[Falconer02]

PEOPLE! Stop feeding the troll! You have all already wasted a few pages of this thread by arguing with her. Listen, and understand. Internet trolls are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear! And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!!!

Just because he is our president doesn't mean I have to like him or support his policies.  I don't like where he appears to be leading our country, be it socialist, or otherwise.  And since I vote in these elections, I have the right to complain, support, like, or not like.  Also, just because any person is our president doesn't mean that he/she is the right one for this country.  If we were to go socialist, are you saying you will still support him just because he is our president?  NOT ME!!!!!

Ah! Here we are--


I think it's way too early to have a statement like "I don't like where he appears to be leading our country" when our current economic problem is disasterous and is going to take decades to fix. But you're absolutely right that it's pissing people off. And he's pissed off about the mess it is too. If you have a few mins, check out this article I read earlier- http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama   I think it explains it on both sides decently. But keep in mind Bush's tax cuts for the rich are still in effect and will be up soon; we're still 'haunted' by a lot of the GOP's mess. Simply put, neither side is gonna be superman and rescue us quick and efficiently.

[jcribb16]

PEOPLE! Stop feeding the troll! You have all already wasted a few pages of this thread by arguing with her. Listen, and understand. Internet trolls are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear! And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!!!

Just because he is our president doesn't mean I have to like him or support his policies.  I don't like where he appears to be leading our country, be it socialist, or otherwise.  And since I vote in these elections, I have the right to complain, support, like, or not like.  Also, just because any person is our president doesn't mean that he/she is the right one for this country.  If we were to go socialist, are you saying you will still support him just because he is our president?  NOT ME!!!!!

Ah! Here we are--


I think it's way too early to have a statement like "I don't like where he appears to be leading our country" when our current economic problem is disasterous and is going to take decades to fix. But you're absolutely right that it's pissing people off. And he's pissed off about the mess it is too. If you have a few mins, check out this article I read earlier- http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama   I think it explains it on both sides decently. But keep in mind Bush's tax cuts for the rich are still in effect and will be up soon; we're still 'haunted' by a lot of the GOP's mess. Simply put, neither side is gonna be superman and rescue us quick and efficiently.

That's why I said "appears."  Thanks for the Teddy Roosevelt quote - at least I know I'm within my rights to question what our current president is doing.  Thanks for the article - very interesting.

[SurveyMack10]

It's about time they wake up and expose him unamerican ideals for what they are, unamerican, and quit tiptoeing around him just because him becoming president is controversial.

Ehh...I can kind of agree with you here. A lot of people voted for him for superficial reasons. But if you're referring to things such as healthcare reform as being unamerican, my hands are tied. A lot of people point to it being socialist, which I can see, but something really needed to be done about it. I've learned this from experience (700$ to talk to a doctor for 5 minutes? wtf!?). Desperate times call for desperate measures! I really hope this isn't a permanent thing for this country; I think the smart approach would to have it take full effect, which in turn will force the insurance companies to lower their prices and customer-background standards, and then slowly remove the reform once there's good competition between those companies. Of course this is just speculation but hey, it could work.

How is Obama unamerican?Whether or not you voted for him,nobody can turn around what others have done to america decades & decades ago in a year or2. What r you talking about tip toeing around him? The media has been dumping on him since he became president! Everyone has negative opinions on what he's doing but everytime he try's to fix something, everyone &/or republicans are bitching about it! What do you want from him? It seems like he has to be better than all the other president's be4 him. Why, b/c he's nether black nor white? Why does he have to be perfect when all others had dark secrets in their closets during their presidency? If your bitching about what he has or has not done shut up because I don't see you contributing in the solutions. We are just a bunch of spoiled brat Americans that r crying b/c Daddy didn't get us what we wanted yet. Quit belly aching,get off your asses & support your president. Even if you didn't vote for he, he is still your president.

1st of all, lose the attitude. If you don't like my opinion you can address it in an adult manner.
2nd of all, I don't support almost all of his policies. I couldn't care less what race he is. In fact, he's not even fully black. People just make a big deal about it because he appears to be fully black. Don't try and make my come off as being shallow in my political beliefs when that is certainly not the case.
3rd, if Bush or any other President hadn't produced a birth certificate, had terrorist ties, or even had a fraction of the shady past Obama does it would be ALL OVER the news. The media hated on Bush so much, but Obama comes into office while we are in trillions of dollars of debt(not his fault) and begins SPENDING MORE MONEY. I disagree with that.
4th, many of his policies reflect socialism. Redistribution of wealth, he supports it. That is absurd and ABSOLUTELY unamerican. I don't think the government should be bailing out so many businesses either, because once they give money(that we don't have) to those businesses they get a say in how the business is ran(money is power), and that is another aspect of socialism.
5th, I never said he had to be perfect, I simply don't agree with him. I guess since I don't agree with you I should "shut up" though right? nice tough with the shut up by the way, really made you seem to have a valid point to make (sarcasm)

1. What do you care about my attitude? You don't know me & that's the way I express myself. 2. If you are not seeing both sides of the coin, then yes your politics is shallow. 3. enlighten me, what shady past does obama have? Look into your history books at all the crooked things past presidents had gotten away with & obama would look like an angelic alter boy. 4. America was looking so good economically until Bush#2 came into office.  Bush is part of the reason why we are in that trillion dollar debt. He took us into a war that we didn't need to be in & obama is just sweeping up the mess. Bush Allowed tax breaks to his rich friends & supporters. Obama had to spend more money to a) get the wall street back in the black & b) continue to fund a war that he didn't agree with in the first place. c) Also, had to use monies for other issues like the oil spill. I understand that you don't want wall street to get any monies to save the banks but you don't understand that if they all went out, everything would have been frozen. Money makes the world go round & we would have been in a depression! Obama may be the president but he has to deal with other states of government that usually block all of his ideas. A lot of the stuff he had done was not because he wanted it, it because of the agreement from all state of government. In short, he's had to compromise what he really wanted to happen & thus it always seem to come out short. 5. You've got to be totally nuts if you're saying obama is a socialist. He is totally opposite to that description. Again, one of his policies was to cut the tax breaks to the rich & give the middle class & the poor a change. The problem is that Obama has Republicans opposing every effort for this change. The republicans don't want change they just want to gain more seats in the house so that they can take over again. But remember every time a republican takes office the economy crashes due to their greed to be richer & keep the middle class & poor in the bottom. Take a look in your history & you'll see the the cyclic up & down cycles of the economy & I bet you that When a republican is in the white house the economy is in shits-ville. Usually destroying the good economy the previous president had up held. 6. No, to me it seems like they expect more from him than any of the other presidents before him. Like he has to be perfect to be accepted & I don't think it's right or fair. 7. I wasn't directly speaking to you alone to shut up! I was referring to all that want to *bleep* about what the president is doing or not doing but sit & do nothing to help solve problems. 8. This issue is not black & white & straight forward. There are a lot of gray areas & that's what makes it difficult for the president to get what policies you want to come true. His hands are usually tied due to disagreements between houses. If he had his way, we wouldn't call him president, we'd call him king & we would get what we want w/no barriers. Oh ya, if you're getting your news from Fox, I urge you to stop. That's the brainwashing station!!!!

So everything wrong in America is Republican's fault...that's logical. There so point in me argueing with someone so anti-republican because we will NEVER agree, I suppose you think CNN is much more informed than Fox right? And getting news fro only media outlets will always provide a biased view anyway...anyway, Bush provided tax cuts for more than just the rich...It's a common trend that Democrats raise taxes...and Obama's policies are ABSOLUTELY NOT opposite of socialist policies...what do you think redistribution of wealth is? && I care about your attitude because a debate is ruined when one person gets mad and starts spewing off at the other, the world won't end it two people disagree.

[SurveyMack10]

Heyyyy now let's all play nice! This is just an argument after all. No need to get too personal!

I'm not saying there didn't need to be a change...but his idea is a socialist one. Also, IDK why we would model our healthcare reform after plans of countries that come HERE because theirs doesn't work...

I agree that it is socialist in nature but I wouldn't label him as all-out socialist just because of one contraversial issue. And yeah! I admit that this plan could damage us even more! The only thing I'm saying is that something needed to be done, and given that the republicans idea to give every person a 5,000$ deductable would be pointless in my eyes because just talking to a doctor for less than 5 minutes at an ER costs over 700$. Imagine what a surgery would cost for an uninsured person. Not to get too personal, but this is a major reason I haven't had surgery on my shoulder because I dislocated it and shredded the cartalidge ring.

As far as other countries healthcare goes, which ones are you referring to? I would speculate that a majority of uninsured people order their meds from Canada since they're a lot cheaper. Im on a small dosage of lamictal and it costs OVER 500$ for a 2 months supply from any pharmacy around me. If I order it from Canada, it's between 1-200$. So all that I'm saying is that our current system is completely broken. I'm curious of your own insight though-- if there is a better plan, what do you think it would be? What do you think that would work? I'm not trying to put you on the spot or anything; I don't know of any other viable plan myself.

How is Obama unamerican?

Pretty much because of my first sentence responding to Macks post.

I agree that something needed to be done...I'm just not for government being so involved in everything and deciding who gets what and a lot of this plan has a ton of government control. I didn't mean to make it sound like he is an all-out socialist, but I do feel that he has many policies leading that way, not just the healthcare reform. For instance, his support of redistribution of wealth. Also, in bailing out so many companies the government gets a say in their business choices(socialism). Anyway, even if he is not ALL socialism he is too much for my liking.
Another thing that really ticks me off about the healthcare reform is that all illegal immigrants get their healthcare paid for, I can't fathom how that is even close to fair. More than that though I find it RIDICULOUS that our government thinks they can decide the salary of doctors. In doing this there will be little to no incentive for people to choose that career, especially considering how expensive medical school is and how much debt they have to pay off, which is one of the reasons they have higher salaries.
I also feel like one of the reasons that our healthcare is so expensive is because we have some of the most capable physicians as well as the most advanced medical techniques, which is why people from all other nations come here, even thought they usually are wealthy.

[SurveyMack10]

I don't think so. 13 is not old enough to reason with difficult adult subjects such as what this forum is about. You can't even do surveys unless you are 18yrs old. Check out the rules please. You are barely a preteen & too young to discuss these types of issues. Don't try to grow up so fast. Youth will gone fast enough. Just enjoy being a kid.

Maybe you should read the terms of service 

i.Users must be 18 years or older OR 13 years or older with parental permission. A user under 18 certifies that a parent has given permission by registering and agreeing to these terms.

http://www.fusioncash.net/tos.php

How do we know that you actually got adult permission? Anyway, I still think you're too young for this link.

I don't give a what about what you think...How do you know I didn't get adult permission? Get back to your room until you can play nice.

Elttil lrig eht lived si retfa uoy!!!!

little girl the devil is after you... 


ukcf ouy

It would be wise if someone banned you from this forum.

[SurveyMack10]

It would be wise if someone banned you from this forum.

It would be wise if you back up off me and leave me alone.  

Why should I be banned? because that is what it says: Elttil lrig eht lived si retfa uoy!!!!

little girl the devil is after you!!!! typed backwards

And I get banned for pointing out what the chick wrote to me? That seems unfair.

Leave me alone, it is the christian thing to do... 

actually I was addressing your little word scramble to her, and just your total inability to participate in an adult discussion

[SurveyMack10]

It would be wise if someone banned you from this forum.

It would be wise if you back up off me and leave me alone.  

Why should I be banned? because that is what it says: Elttil lrig eht lived si retfa uoy!!!!

little girl the devil is after you!!!! typed backwards

And I get banned for pointing out what the chick wrote to me? That seems unfair.

Leave me alone, it is the christian thing to do... 

actually I was addressing your little word scramble to her, and just your total inability to participate in an adult discussion

As long as there is something to discuss, I will do just fine but it seems people would rather fight.

You contributed nothing to the discussion about the mosque...don't kid yourself.

[SurveyMack10]

You contributed nothing to the discussion about the mosque...don't kid yourself.

Yes my opinions are a contribution whether you agree with them or not.

They would be a contribution if they were relevant to the topic, however mostly you have been spouting off about things that are nowhere near anything to do with the mosque.

[SurveyMack10]

You contributed nothing to the discussion about the mosque...don't kid yourself.

Yes my opinions are a contribution whether you agree with them or not.

They would be a contribution if they were relevant to the topic, however mostly you have been spouting off about things that are nowhere near anything to do with the mosque.

That is just how the conversation went.

Every single thread you post on ends up that way, why is that?

[SurveyMack10]

You contributed nothing to the discussion about the mosque...don't kid yourself.

Yes my opinions are a contribution whether you agree with them or not.

They would be a contribution if they were relevant to the topic, however mostly you have been spouting off about things that are nowhere near anything to do with the mosque.

That is just how the conversation went.

Every single thread you post on ends up that way, why is that?

Because people don't agree with me

That is absolutely not why. We all disagree with each other on these threads, but we can have civil debates about it. You on the other hand get on here and waste people's time with ramblings. I suggest you think your responses through and try to have a real debate every so often, it's healthy to hear both sides of an issue instead of senselessly rambling.

[SurveyMack10]

You contributed nothing to the discussion about the mosque...don't kid yourself.

Yes my opinions are a contribution whether you agree with them or not.

They would be a contribution if they were relevant to the topic, however mostly you have been spouting off about things that are nowhere near anything to do with the mosque.

That is just how the conversation went.

Every single thread you post on ends up that way, why is that?

Because people don't agree with me

That is absolutely not why. We all disagree with each other on these threads, but we can have civil debates about it. You on the other hand get on here and waste people's time with ramblings. I suggest you think your responses through and try to have a real debate every so often, it's healthy to hear both sides of an issue instead of senselessly rambling.

It makes sense...

how is this response relevant to what i said?

more senseless rambling.