Fallout of Hate Is Spreading Across America from 9/11 Site

[Annella]

My dad told me, the majority of people that worked in the World Trade Center are (were) Muslim...and thought is was ironic that they would kill their own people.

Please post a shred of evidence proving that.

Mack...before you waste much of your time...you really aren't going to get anywhere arguing with Marie.  Really, many of us, including Annella, have tried talking to her.  She just enjoys the attention, I guess.  

Of course you won't get anywhere with me because I will not change my beliefs.

There is a difference between fact and belief.  Read up on Mitochondrial Eve, yet, Marie?

Read up on the fact that we are DUST?

Marieelissa, what in the world does your last post have to do with this subject

As far as the other stats....I'm not buying it.  Oh, I don't doubt there were some Muslims that got in the way of their Muslim brothers blowing them to bits.  They probably reasoned it out that they were sending them to paradise where the virgins were waiting.  They seem to have no problem with strapping on a belt of C-4 and getting on a bus and obliberating themselves and everyone else there.  I've never heard of any one of them taking an attendance roll if there were other Muslims on that bus or not.

There have been videos presented to the media, where Israeli soldiers have murdered men, women, and children, and you can see them all laying in a pile....supposedly dead.  Then the next set of videos come up at some Muslim rally, and there are some of the same people in that one, and some are even wearing the same clothes from the "dead" one.  I mean.....I believe in the resurrection, but man.................  Someone should inform them there are costume changes between takes.

They have been caught more than once "staging" an attack, and then video taping the victims (uh actors).

I was goading her, Annella.  She keeps claiming that Mitochondrial Eve and Biblical Eve are the same, despite many posts with links informing her otherwise.  I got annoyed, and I pushed.  I try to avoid it, but I'm not perfect.

I'm sorry for pushing you, Marie, no matter how ill informed you are, and no matter how much you ignore the pleas to do your research and post fact instead of your version of truth.  Free will and internet and all that...you're more than within your right to post your 

Ahhh......

[SurveyMack10]

I have to apologize to the atheists and agnostics now...I am sorry, I realize it isn't just you guys, now I am getting it from "believers" 

No response for my last post to you?

[SurveyMack10]

I have to apologize to the atheists and agnostics now...I am sorry, I realize it isn't just you guys, now I am getting it from "believers" 

No response for my last post to you?

I guess my dad was wrong...

You posted proof AGAINST your claim haha.

[SurveyMack10]

But my original stance is the same...They are not building it on Ground Zero! What no one can build a mosque in NEW YORK CITY now!

A couple blocks away where it can be seem from ground zero, a bit disrespectful and will cause unnecessary controversy.

[SurveyMack10]

But my original stance is the same...They are not building it on Ground Zero! What no one can build a mosque in NEW YORK CITY now!

A couple blocks away where it can be seem from ground zero, a bit disrespectful and will cause unnecessary controversy.

Gotta love America....FREEDOM!

Yup, unlimited freedom for the minorities that is.

[SurveyMack10]

I have to apologize to the atheists and agnostics now...I am sorry, I realize it isn't just you guys, now I am getting it from "believers" 

No response for my last post to you?

I guess my dad was wrong...

You posted proof AGAINST your claim haha.

Hardy Har har...I asked "isn't it true, that the majority of people who died on 9/11 muslim?" GUESS NOT.

Actually you said the majority of people that died on 9/11 were muslim, and it must be true because your dad said so.

[SurveyMack10]

In america you have freedom to practice religion...get over it, a mosque is like a church or place of worship to them.

Lose the attitiude.

Until you can make a series of posts that are relevant and make sense to those reading it don't talk down to me. I've watched you repeatedly on many different threads make totally illogical statements that often don't even apply to the subject. Then you proceed to be rude and hateful to others and insult their intelligence. Half the time I feel my intelligence is insulted just corresponding with you. You said one thing then proved the opposite? Don't talk down to me because you post things on here before researching or even thinking through what you believe. You say no one can change what you believe, but you yourself are confused about it. You've claimed to be baptist. Then you claimed to not be Christian but you do believe in our God. Then you claimed to be psychic. Work on you then talk to me because I can't figure out what you're trying to say if you can't even figure it out.

[SurveyMack10]

Muslims in America are obviously for their country...America is building a mosque, probably because of what the damn terrorists did. I wonder if like say a Jewish country attacked us, if Jewish people would get together and build whatever their place of worship is...

You just said you supported the mosque?  But now in this post it seems you're against it.

[SurveyMack10]

People are mean in this world...it is survival of the FITTEST...you can't cry over the wrongdoing.

I don't care...they can build a mosque, who cares? If you believe in God, then what is a building? It is worldy...you shouldn't be THAT concerned.

I could care less what God they believe in. Go read my posts from earlier in the thread before you post a bunch of crap. It's disrespectful and will stir up UNNECESSARY CONTROVERSY.

You seem to know everything. Do you know who Rauf is? Do you know his stance on Americans and how they feel about muslims? What about his wives? Where is the funding for this mosque coming from?

[SurveyMack10]

I hope they do build it 

Oh I remember in march of 2000 being in NYC in a cop car looking for my grandmother because we got seperated and I had a thought in my head that urged me to get out of the cop car after the cops pointed out the world trade center and tell everyone that passed by that it was going to burn down...I thought I was just thinking crazy and ignored it...but damn it did burn down.

It is sorta like Final Destination without death coming to get the survivors.

So you're saying a cop told you it was going to burn down? WOW. I'm guessing you're one of those conspiracy theory people???

oh, and that post didn't make sense.

[SurveyMack10]

In america you have freedom to practice religion...get over it, a mosque is like a church or place of worship to them.

Lose the attitiude.

Until you can make a series of posts that are relevant and make sense to those reading it don't talk down to me. I've watched you repeatedly on many different threads make totally illogical statements that often don't even apply to the subject. Then you proceed to be rude and hateful to others and insult their intelligence. Half the time I feel my intelligence is insulted just corresponding with you. You said one thing then proved the opposite? Don't talk down to me because you post things on here before researching or even thinking through what you believe. You say no one can change what you believe, but you yourself are confused about it. You've claimed to be baptist. Then you claimed to not be Christian but you do believe in our God. Then you claimed to be psychic. Work on you then talk to me because I can't figure out what you're trying to say if you can't even figure it out.

I don't like you.

I couldn't care less. I think you're unstable and unsure of things, you continuously contradict yourself and waste other's time.

[SurveyMack10]

Muslims in America are obviously for their country...America is building a mosque, probably because of what the damn terrorists did. I wonder if like say a Jewish country attacked us, if Jewish people would get together and build whatever their place of worship is...

You just said you supported the mosque?  But now in this post it seems you're against it.

People in America are building the mosque...not people from another country.

Then answer my questions about Rauf? Or do you even know who he is?

[SurveyMack10]

People are mean in this world...it is survival of the FITTEST...you can't cry over the wrongdoing.

I don't care...they can build a mosque, who cares? If you believe in God, then what is a building? It is worldy...you shouldn't be THAT concerned.

I could care less what God they believe in. Go read my posts from earlier in the thread before you post a bunch of crap. It's disrespectful and will stir up UNNECESSARY CONTROVERSY.

You seem to know everything. Do you know who Rauf is? Do you know his stance on Americans and how they feel about muslims? What about his wives? Where is the funding for this mosque coming from?

No...Cause I don't care...is he an american citizen? Oh yeah I guess in america people can purchase land even if they are not citizens.

Right, because you choose ignorance over knowledge. Don't enter a debate if you're not willing to do the least bit of research on the subject at hand.

[SurveyMack10]

In america you have freedom to practice religion...get over it, a mosque is like a church or place of worship to them.

Lose the attitiude.

Until you can make a series of posts that are relevant and make sense to those reading it don't talk down to me. I've watched you repeatedly on many different threads make totally illogical statements that often don't even apply to the subject. Then you proceed to be rude and hateful to others and insult their intelligence. Half the time I feel my intelligence is insulted just corresponding with you. You said one thing then proved the opposite? Don't talk down to me because you post things on here before researching or even thinking through what you believe. You say no one can change what you believe, but you yourself are confused about it. You've claimed to be baptist. Then you claimed to not be Christian but you do believe in our God. Then you claimed to be psychic. Work on you then talk to me because I can't figure out what you're trying to say if you can't even figure it out.

I don't like you.

I couldn't care less. I think you're unstable and unsure of things, you continuously contradict yourself and waste other's time.

So

Thanks for the productive response.

[SurveyMack10]

Born in Kuwait in 1948, Feisal Abdul Rauf is the Imam of Masjid al-Farah, a New York City mosque. He holds a bachelor's degree in physics from Columbia University. His father was the late Muhammad Abdul Rauf (1917-2004).
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2462
In 1990 Feisal Abdul Rauf opened al-Farah Mosque in lower Manhattan. Seven years later, he established the American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA), a New-York based nonprofit organization which has been run by Rauf's wife, Daisy Khan, since 2005.

Rauf is a permanent trustee of an Islamic Cultural Center (ICC) which his father founded in New York City. Until September 28, 2001 -- seventeen days after 9/11 -- the ICC employed Imam Sheik Muhammad Gemeaha, who later would say that “only the Jews” could have perpetrated the 9/11 attacks; that if Americans only knew about this Jewish culpability, “they would have done to Jews what Hitler did”; and that Jews “disseminate corruption in the land” and spread “heresy, homosexuality, alcoholism, and drugs.” Gemeaha’s successor at the ICC, Omar Saleem Abu-Namous, said there was no “conclusive evidence” proving that Muslims were responsible for 9/11.

In a 60 Minutes interview that aired on September 30, 2001, Rauf said that the 9/11 attacks were part of a larger Islamic “reaction against the U.S. government politically, where we [the U.S.] espouse principles of democracy and human rights, and [yet] where we ally ourselves with oppressive regimes in many of these countries.” "I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened," Rauf elaborated, "but United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened." Rauf further stated that “because we [Americans] have been accessory to a lot of innocent lives dying in the world,” it could be said that “n fact, in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA.”

On another occasion, Rauf took up this theme again: "We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al Qaida has on its hands of innocent non-Muslims. You may remember that the US-led sanctions against Iraq led to the death of over half a million Iraqi children."

Rauf has clearly suggested that terrorism is an understandable, even if unjustified, response to American actions in Iraq, Israel, and elsewhere in the Middle East:

"How do you tell people whose homes have been destroyed, whose lives have been destroyed, that this does not justify your actions of terrorism. It's hard. Yes, it is true that it does not justify the acts of bombing innocent civilians, that does not solve the problem, but after 50 years of, in many cases, oppression, of U.S. support of authoritarian regimes that have violated human rights in the most heinous of ways, how else do people get attention?"


Rauf has praised Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, a Muslim scholar who supports Palestinian suicide bombings, as "a very, very well known Islamic jurist, highly regarded all over the Muslim world." He has also expressed respect for the late Egyptian cleric Muhammad Tantawi (who likewise endorsed suicide bombings) and Egypt's Chief Mufti, Sheikh Ali Gomaa (who has endorsed Hezbollah and defended Islam's use of the death penalty for apostasy).

Rauf, who has been entrusted with the task of conducting post-9/11 sensitivity training for the FBI, contends that Muslims have been unfairly targeted by law-enforcement authorities in recent years. "There's no doubt we've been profiled since 9/11," he said in 2005. "The Patriot Act has kind of made Muslims -- there's a sense of 'guilty till proven innocent' rather than the other way around."

In the summer of 2002, Rauf began lecturing on Islam at the 750-acre campus of Chautauqua Institution, located in western New York State. Around that time, he also befriended Karen Armstrong, who later wrote the foreword for Rauf's 2008 book, What's Right with Islam Is What's Right with America.

Journalist Andrew McCarthy has revealed that What's Right with Islam was originally published in 2004 in Malaysia, under a different title: A Call to Prayer from the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Dawa in the Heart of America Post-9/11. What's Right with Islam was a “special, non-commercial edition” of the book and was produced after the original, with Feisal’s cooperation, by the Islamic Society of North America and the International Institute of Islamic Thought. Both of those organizations are American tentacles of the Muslim Brotherhood. McCarthy explains the meaning of the term dawa, from the book's title:

"Dawa, whether done from the rubble of the World Trade Center or elsewhere, is the missionary work by which Islam is spread.... [D]awa  is proselytism... "The purpose of dawa, like the purpose of jihad, is to implement, spread, and defend sharia. Scholar Robert Spencer incisively refers to dawa practices as 'stealth jihad,' the advancement of the sharia agenda through means other than violence and agents other than terrorists. These include extortion, cultivation of sympathizers in the media and the universities, exploitation of our legal system and tradition of religious liberty, infiltration of our political system, and fundraising. This is why Yusuf Qaradawi, the spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and the world’s most influential Islamic cleric, boldly promises that Islam will 'conquer America' and 'conquer Europe' through dawa."

Rauf's book suggests that the “American Constitution and system of governance uphold the core principles of Islamic law” (i.e., sharia). The author concludes, therefore, that the “American political structure is sharia-compliant.” In December 2007 Rauf promoted the book at a Malaysia gathering of Hizb ut Tahrir, an organization that seeks to impose sharia on the United States and other countries worldwide.


Rauf depicts jihad as the Islamic world's defensive reaction to Western provocations, rather than as a seminal Islamic tradition of aggression that long predated any Muslim interactions with the West. In March 2004 the Sydney Morning Herald quoted Rauf as saying: “The Islamic method of waging war is not to kill innocent civilians. But it was Christians in World War II who bombed civilians in Dresden and Hiroshima, neither of which were military targets.” In one particularly significant passage, the Herald article stated: “Imam Feisal ... said there could be little progress [in American-Islamic relations] until the U.S. acknowledged backing dictators and the U.S. President gave an 'America Culpa' speech to the Muslim world.”

In a June 2005 interview, Rauf was asked whether non-Muslims should be troubled by the Qur'an's assertion that people from other religious traditions should be mistreated, subjugated, or killed. Rauf replied that “many of these verses were revealed in certain contexts where the Prophet [Muhammad] and his followers were not allowed to practice their religion,” and thus “permission was granted to the Muslims to fight those who fought them for that reason.” “The vast history of Islam through the 14 centuries of history,” Rauf added, “has proven that except for certain moments in history, the predominant attitude of Muslims toward non-Muslims, especially to Jews and Christians, was one of friendship, was one of engagement.” In 2009, Rauf took up this theme again, writing: “Religious freedom is at the core of Islam.”

Rauf believes that Muslim charities have been subject to undue scrutiny since 9/11. In 2005 an interviewer asked him to comment on the fact that “some Islamic charities are being investigated for terrorist ties.” Rauf replied: “We believe that a certain portion of every [Islamic] charity has been legitimate. To say that you have connections with terrorism is a very gray area. It's like the accusation that Saddam Hussein had links to Osama bin Laden. Well, America had links to Osama bin Laden – does that mean that America is a terrorist country or has ties to terrorism? It's that type of logic.”

In 2008 Rauf revisited the question of whether sharia could be effectively incorporated into Western legal and political systems. He hailed Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams for the “forward thinking” that had led Williams to advocate on behalf of “plural jurisdiction,” which would permit Muslim enclaves in Britain to be governed by a separate set of laws consistent with sharia. In March 2009, Rauf said that “Islamic law and American democratic principles have many things in common,” and he claimed that sharia's endorsement of “political justice” and “economic justice … for the weak and impoverished” is a creed that “sounds suspiciously like the Declaration of Independence.”

Rauf contends that authentic Islam is highly respectful of women's rights and freedoms. In a 2009 piece he penned for the Huffington Post, Rauf stated: “The Prophet Muhammad has been known as the first feminist. … Gender equality is an intrinsic part of Islamic belief.” In response to suggestions that Islam could benefit from a movement to purge the faith of unsavory elements such as its treatment of women, Rauf has said flatly: "Islam does not need a reformation."

In a 2009 interview, Rauf endorsed the 1979 Iranian revolution which established an theocratic Islamic state.

In a May 7, 2010 sermon he delivered in New York City, Rauf seemed to suggest that the perpetrators of 9/11 may not actually have been Muslims. “Some people say it was Muslims who attacked [the U.S.] on 9/11,” he said, before drifting into another topic.

In a June 2010 interview with newsman Aaron Klein on New York's WABC Radio, Rauf was asked whether he agreed with the State Department's designation of Hamas as a terrorist organization. Rauf replied:

"I'm not a politician. I try to avoid the issues. The issue of terrorism is a very complex question.... I'm a bridge builder. I define my work as a bridge builder. I do not want to be placed, nor do I accept to be placed in a position of being put in a position where I am the target of one side or another."

In recent years, Rauf and ASMA have pursued a project known as the Cordoba Initiative, whose mission is to recapture an “atmosphere of interfaith tolerance and respect” in “Muslim-West relations.” Funded by numerous countries that are members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, this Initiative aims to build a 13-story, $100 million mosque/Islamic Center just 600 feet from Ground Zero in lower Manhattan. The proposed name of the structure -- "Cordoba House" -- implies conquest. Indeed, the first Cordoba mosque was built upon the ruins of a Christian church in the Spanish city of Cordoba after the Muslim conquest of Christian Spain in the 8th century AD.



In August 2010, the State Department announced that it would be sending Rauf on a taxpayer-funded trip (costing $16,000) through the Middle East to foster "greater understanding" about Islam and Muslim life in the United States. This was Rauf's fourth U.S.-sponsored trip to the region. The first two took place in 2007 (during the Bush administration), and the third was in early 2010. State Department spokesman Darby Holladay stated that while Rauf "has been advised not to engage in fund-raising activity" during his August 2010 trip, the Department had "no information" regarding the specifics of Rauf's activities while traveling.

Rauf had previously said that he would seek funds from overseas to finance the $100 million mosque project but offered no specifics. A spokesman for the project refused to say whether Rauf would accept money from Iran.

In addition to his work with ASMA, the New York-based Rauf teaches Islam and Sufism at the Center for Religious Inquiry at St. Bartholomew's Church. He also is a member of the World Economic Forum Council of 100 Leaders (Islamic West dialogue); sits on the board of trustees of the Islamic Center of New York; and serves as an adviser to the Interfaith Center of New York.

Moreover, Rauf is a key member in the Malaysian-based Perdana Global Peace Organization, the single biggest donor ($366,000 as of June 2010) to the Free Gaza Movement.

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