Fallout of Hate Is Spreading Across America from 9/11 Site

[jordandog]

Everything I've researched has the words Peace and Security or Safety.

That is because those are things which will be achieved by following the actions laid out by 'Islam'. If you want to know more, I would suggest doing your own research. I didn't post that to get into semantics and turning a word's meaning and classification around. Islam is a verb with various roots and Salam (peace) is a noun which will be a result of it. If you have never actually studied anything about the beliefs of Muslims, you can't just jump into figuring one word out. If you are a Muslim, you practice Islam, an integral core of the belief.

[Annella]

Everything I've researched has the words Peace and Security or Safety.

That is because those are things which will be achieved by following the actions laid out by 'Islam'. If you want to know more, I would suggest doing your own research. I didn't post that to get into semantics and turning a word's meaning and classification around. Islam is a verb with various roots and Salam (peace) is a noun which will be a result of it. If you have never actually studied anything about the beliefs of Muslims, you can't just jump into figuring one word out. If you are a Muslim, you practice Islam, an integral core of the belief.

If you read my post I've done a bit of study and read the Koran.  I had no intention of asking you for semantics and turning a word's meaning and classification around.  Please ignore my request for extra pages, I thought they were websites that you could post.  If you look back to the original post, it was you who questioned My turning of a word's meaning and classification around.  Have a good day.

[jordandog]

Wow, I guess I should just let misinformation stand in the Forums? Annella, if you have in fact read the Qu'ran, then you would know this and that blows me away. I don't know where all the high and mightiness came from, but you didn't argue or question what amyrouse said about it. I'm sorry if I am not going to sit down and transcribe words from books or unzip a couple files just to find you 'more proof'. If you disagree with it, fine, but why the attitude?

[Annella]

Wow, I guess I should just let misinformation stand in the Forums? Annella, if you have in fact read the Qu'ran, then you would know this and that blows me away. I don't know where all the high and mightiness came from, but you didn't argue or question what amyrouse said about it. I'm sorry if I am not going to sit down and transcribe words from books or unzip a couple files just to find you 'more proof'. If you disagree with it, fine, but why the attitude?

You misunderstand and are reading attitude when there is none.....  If anyone has attitude, who is putting labels like "High and Mighty"?  I have always been under the impression (after studying) that Islam meant peace.  This is not uncommon to have it defined this way.  Actually we were both right, as there are many meanings.......  Also, the Koran can be spelled many different ways:

Quran, Koran, Qur'an, Coran, or al-Qur'an.

I had no intention of having you "unzip" files or find me proof anywhere.  ALL I asked was the other references you were referring to.  That's all.  Again, I thought they were websites you had handy.  I would no more ask anyone to do my own research or study.  That's ludicrous.  All you have to do is read my posts to know that.

[southernhorizons]

It has nothing to do with Americans hating Muslims. The 9-11 bombings were an attack on America, and the mosque builders know that they are insulting America as a nation by building the mosque at ground zero. why don't the Japanese build a Japanese cultural center on Pearl Harbor? the real scary thing that is spreading across America is a tolerance of anything anti-American, which can only lead to the downfall of our country. People need to put true patriotism ahead of political correctness, and false tolerance. Why don't the Muslims have some tolerance for Americans and their feelings?

[Annella]

It has nothing to do with Americans hating Muslims. The 9-11 bombings were an attack on America, and the mosque builders know that they are insulting America as a nation by building the mosque at ground zero. why don't the Japanese build a Japanese cultural center on Pearl Harbor? the real scary thing that is spreading across America is a tolerance of anything anti-American, which can only lead to the downfall of our country. People need to put true patriotism ahead of political correctness, and false tolerance. Why don't the Muslims have some tolerance for Americans and their feelings?

Very well put.

[amyrouse]

It has nothing to do with Americans hating Muslims. The 9-11 bombings were an attack on America, and the mosque builders know that they are insulting America as a nation by building the mosque at ground zero. why don't the Japanese build a Japanese cultural center on Pearl Harbor? the real scary thing that is spreading across America is a tolerance of anything anti-American, which can only lead to the downfall of our country. People need to put true patriotism ahead of political correctness, and false tolerance. Why don't the Muslims have some tolerance for Americans and their feelings?

Lets build churches on Reservations.  Let's build American Cultural centers in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. 

We are not immune.  We seem to believe, as a country, that we do nothing wrong, and that needs to stop.  I am not saying that we deserved what happened on 9/11, but we aren't doing anything to change this misconception that we are Muslim haters.  This is just the tip of the iceberg. 

When the bombings happened in OK City in 95, we were shocked to find out that Tim McVeigh was a white Christian who served this country.  The rumors running rampant before McVeigh was found was that it was Arabs behind the incident (and many conspiracy theorists are still promoting this idea). 

In all honesty, we did worse to the Japanese in WWII than they did to us.  We are supposed to be a beacon in civilization, but it took an attack to get us into the war in WWII while innocent people were being rallied up and put into concentration camps.  Once we entered the war, we condemned the Germans for the camps, yet we gathered the Japanese-Americans and put them in camps, and then in August of 1945 launched what I feel is one of the worst terrorist attacks in history on the country of Japan.  Yet, we're sorry and all is forgiven, right?  We're doing the same thing to Muslims/Arabs (hey, they all look the same to us) today.

The ends justifies the means, right?   Thats what Osama says.

I don't see Islam as anti-American.  I see Fred Phelps as anti-American.  I see Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda as anti-American.  If Osama wanted to build a mosque 50 miles from ground zero, I'd be first in line to protest.  This project is about healing, not about Muslims rubbing our faces in 9/11.  I don't see anyone going on national tv saying "NaNaNaNa BooBoo stick your head in doodoo..."  No one is getting the one-up on anyone else.  The people in Manhattan are ready to start the healing process.  Its time for the rest of the country to follow suit.

And, cheese and crackers, has anyone went to the link for the Cordoba Initiative and actually read about the project?

[walksalone11]

We are not talking about some peaceful religion here...........  Islam has passed it's self off as some peaceful gathering, and they have nothing to do with their extreme brothers.  I beg to differ.  Have you read the Koran?  I mean really read it?  There's another book that goes with it, but for the life of me, I can remember what it's called. Can someone help me out here?  If your not Muslim, your an infidel, and worthy of death.  Even their own people. They think nothing of putting their own people to death for not following Islam, and becoming Muslim.  That's you and me folks, we are the infidel, no matter what we do, or don't believe.  Mackenzie brought up some very good points. This is NOT a fallout of hate, it's a careful investigation of why and what.  This is a careful scrutiny why they want that exact location to build their center.  Surely they know the wound that is still raw for the families who lost loved ones in the 9/11 disaster.  Why would they ignore the intense feelings of loss that is still prevalent with the American people?  When were these plans even created?  Was it before 9/11?  There's a lot to question than just "oh, this is a fallout of hate".  Not so.

Do you know that this teaching of the Koran is taught in the schools from the time children can speak?  So we have a whole next generation of this coming up.  No one here has seen our flag being burned by Muslims, or Amreican hate slogans being chanted in their festivals and gatherings?

When we travel into a foreign country, we are asked all sorts of questions.  When I was in China, I was ALWAYS stopped by the Communist Police, and asked for my Passport.  Asked why was I there?  Who did I know?  Where was I staying?  Even when I went to cash a big Hong Kong bill into smaller increments, I was asked the same questions over and over.  This was in the Bank of America building no less.  Did I get all mad and say "they just hate Americans, that's why they are doing this"?  No, I was in their country, they had every right to know what I was doing there.

Any time you go to a foreign land.  Everybody goes through Immigration and is asked why and what your going to their country for.  You better answer them, because they can bar you from entering.  Since 9/11, believe me, it's gotten a lot stricter to enter ANY country.  EVERYBODY is on high alert.  Not just the United States.  We are not the only one who have suffered terrorist attacks.  Coming from China during Ramadan (Muslim month of fasting), there were Muslims boarding the plane.  We were stuck on the Tarmac for over an hour as people disembarked, because they were not going to fly with them.  That sounds extreme, but you had to see these people's attitude and how they "pushed" themselves and glared at everybody.  Some sneered like they were thumbing their noses at us. They WANTED us to fear them.  We stayed on the plane because we were not afraid of them.  This flight took 14 hours. We were all together a long time.  If you had been there and observed the behavior, you might want some investigation done too.  No, I don't hate them, but I'd like my Nation to be a bit cautious in why they're in such a rush to build near ground zero?  Has anybody else here been in that close proximity to observe their disrespect for anyone?  Sure, they're going to tone it down while they're in the US, but observe them on their own soil.  Or even in Israel where they think Israel is actually theirs.  You might have a different opinion and want some investigation done also.

All that is being asked is....please investigate this a bit further, and is it possible that someone behind this couple pulling the strings?  Where is the funding coming from?  Why is this couple screaming that Americans hate them? Maybe to garner sympathy?  Why haven't the other churches destroyed in the vicinity not been given permission to rebuild, but this Mosque is being pushed through?  These are all viable questions that have no hate to them.  Just questions.

Now before you judge me about where I stand.  Not all Arabs or Arab people are Muslims.  I met very nice people in Israel that were Arabs, Jordan also.  The nicest people.  There was an Arab cab driver that toured me and my friend all over Bethlehem, and then when the borders closed at night (we had no idea it would happen), got us back to Jerusalem safe and sound to our house through some back roads.  It's not the race, it's the religion, and the extreme teaching of destroying anyone that's not Muslim.  They have no value for human life....none.  How about brain washing the youth into suicide bombing?  No hate, just some questions.


You need to view it ASAP as it's been taken down once.

www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=109277652456420&ref=mf

WARNING DO NOT LET YOUR CHILDREN WATCH THIS OR HAVE THEM IN THE ROOM.  IF YOU ARE SENSITIVE IN ANY WAY, DO NOT WATCH THIS VIDEO!!

I wanted to post this earlier, but knew it was time consuming.  Please....this is not a hate post.  Just some questions, and to show you some proof to back up what is common knowledge in other countries.


To my Christian friends....do you know that the word "Islam" means peace and safety?  If you know your Word, you will make the connection.

I understand what you are saying here and plan to address some of it as soon as you and your friend addresses the couple of questions I ask of you. You said you wouldnt discuss the bible with me and I am fine with that and I have never asked you anything about the bible. The Doctrine of discovery is not in the bible nor is the idea of Manifest Destiny so I see the only reason you would refuse to state your thoughts on them is perhaps that you are concerned that they will be taken as intolerant or violently superioristic.

You description here sounds very familiar and strikes very close to home with me because millions of my relations were slaughtered simply because they refused to assimilate into the christian religion.

You say you are trying to verify my claims and I certainly commend you for that and I assure you that verifying it will be very easy.I do hope and respectfully request from you that after verifying them you will utilize your position in the church to speak out on these terrible issues and help us to stop these things from ever happening to another.

Please don't just follow the precedence your colleagues have set by either attempting to further cloud the truth and trying to find some way of justifying the atrocities.

[shernajwine]

I don't see Islam as anti-American.

My dad is a former muslim. I grew up around Islamic people.....Islam is very anti-American. Muslims are fork tongued and full of hatred for Americans Christians and Jews. They say Jesus (peace be upon him) and then say he went to hell for saying he was God!
 My dad peed on and burned our bibles, he spanked us for singing Jesus loves me (but he always "peace be upon him" after saying Jesus! And he laughed at the news on the morning of September 11. He isn't an extremist. He wasn't even a practicing and devout muslim since he came to the United States. But this is what was bred in him from the time he was young. He was taught in his Islamic school that the Holocaust was a myth, he was taught that Jews are infidels and pigs, he was taught that Americans deserve to die.

He has told me this, this is from a muslim!

I'm sorry but the toutings of Islam as peaceful is a big fat lie, I lived around it my whole life.

[Annella]

Sherna, I know it took a lot of courage for you to post this.  Even though you shared this with me personally, it was only your right to reveal this.....no one else's.  Since you have honey, I commend you.  It's not easy putting yourself, and your upbringing out there for all to see.

May God richly bless you "little chicken".

[shernajwine]

Sherna, I know it took a lot of courage for you to post this.  Even though you shared this with me personally, it was only your right to reveal this.....no one else's.  Since you have honey, I commend you.  It's not easy putting yourself, and your upbringing out there for all to see.

May God richly bless you "little chicken".

 

[Annella]

Walksalone, I don't know who you are referring to as me and my friend.  It might be Mackenzie as we were the ones you were making ugly sexual innuendos about.  

I respectfully decline to get into ANY debate with you about ANYTHING.  I can't speak for Mackenzie.  Please don't take this as I'm superior.  It's a choice I've made for myself.  

As far as researching your allegations about your people.  That's put on the back burner for awhile.  If and when I pick it up again, if I find you indeed have a defense, I will say so.  However, I did address that my Christian movement has nothing to do with the Mother church or whatever branches off of her did.  Again....not all Christians are killers, or have blood on their hands in past history.  Again, as I've said before, we can trace our roots and the foundation of my church to the book of Acts.  As far as your reference to my collegues, I have no idea what collegues you are talking about.  We are NOT a branch off the Mother Church.

As far as clouding any issue, I'm not infallible, but I try to speak the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

[SurveyMack10]

It has nothing to do with Americans hating Muslims. The 9-11 bombings were an attack on America, and the mosque builders know that they are insulting America as a nation by building the mosque at ground zero. why don't the Japanese build a Japanese cultural center on Pearl Harbor? the real scary thing that is spreading across America is a tolerance of anything anti-American, which can only lead to the downfall of our country. People need to put true patriotism ahead of political correctness, and false tolerance. Why don't the Muslims have some tolerance for Americans and their feelings?

Very well put! Seems like common sense to me.


It has gotten very out of hand that anything a minority does is ok no matter what and anything Americans do is likely to offend a minority in some way.

[SurveyMack10]

I have to study and don't have time to get into a lengthy debate, but I have something I'd like to say.

Obviously Islam is NOT a super peaceful religion, based on how they treat America. Maybe it's meant to be and is when it is practiced how they meant for it to be practiced, but isn't. No, all Muslims do not hate America. Do many? YES. Is it their fault, not always. Many of them have had it bred into them since they were young. There is evidence of MINNIE AND MICKEY MOUSE cartoons that teach them that America is evil and to hate Americans etc. I AM NOT SAYING EVERY MUSLIM IS LIKE THAT. I am well aware that many of you will twist my words into that, that's fine. It's becoming increasingly clear a REAL debate is not possible at this forum. THIS IS AMERICA. Just because Muslims are a minority doesn't mean they can do no wrong. Every American that disagrees with Islam is not wrong. LAND OF THE FREE. We don't HAVE to agree with Islam, we don't HAVE to roll over and let them disrespect the victims of 9/11, it's a DEMOCRACY we have a say in it. Use your common sense and quit overthinking basic knowledge. Some things in this world ARE black and white. There is no reason to build that mosque that close to ground zero. Absolutely none. It's offensive and will only cause problems. Even if it isn't wrong, it's obvious it will cause problems, so why stir it up. Let's invite another attack, by all means. I mean come on it's American lives that are being lost not Muslims so it's not as big of a deal, WRONG. Use your head.

[Annella]

I have to study and don't have time to get into a lengthy debate, but I have something I'd like to say.

Obviously Islam is NOT a super peaceful religion, based on how they treat America. Maybe it's meant to be and is when it is practiced how they meant for it to be practiced, but isn't. No, all Muslims do not hate America. Do many? YES. Is it their fault, not always. Many of them have had it bred into them since they were young. There is evidence of MINNIE AND MICKEY MOUSE cartoons that teach them that America is evil and to hate Americans etc. I AM NOT SAYING EVERY MUSLIM IS LIKE THAT. I am well aware that many of you will twist my words into that, that's fine. It's becoming increasingly clear a REAL debate is not possible at this forum. THIS IS AMERICA. Just because Muslims are a minority doesn't mean they can do no wrong. Every American that disagrees with Islam is not wrong. LAND OF THE FREE. We don't HAVE to agree with Islam, we don't HAVE to roll over and let them disrespect the victims of 9/11, it's a DEMOCRACY we have a say in it. Use your common sense and quit overthinking basic knowledge. Some things in this world ARE black and white. There is no reason to build that mosque that close to ground zero. Absolutely none. It's offensive and will only cause problems. Even if it isn't wrong, it's obvious it will cause problems, so why stir it up. Let's invite another attack, by all means. I mean come on it's American lives that are being lost not Muslims so it's not as big of a deal, WRONG. Use your head.

Mackenzie, you put in the best answer yet, and took only 1/4 of what I posted...lol  You and Sherna have the best intellect of any 2 women I've ever met.  I'm thankful we have younger God fearing women that will stand up for what they believe and are not afraid to claim it.  Sherna's post above made me cry.  I know what it took for her to pull the cover off her life for all to see, knowing how some would view it.  Both of you girls have made me proud today.  Your Mothers would be proud.  If my son was not married, and Sherna single, I'd send him after one of you....lol