The Mosque near Ground Zero

[carebearmafia]

Well to me it is quite obvious that ALL Muslims are plotting to overthrow the US Government.
You see, they are going to team up with the Amish, who are secretly Jedi Knights mind you.

There first plan of action will be to taint the Egg, Peanut Butter, and Meat supply. (Done, done done and done)
Then they, along with Democrats, will cause the earthquake in Haiti (They worship the devil, they had it coming)
Finally, they will simply take over the White House and turn the US into one big Mosque.

The end.

[gondeee]

Well to me it is quite obvious that ALL Muslims are plotting to overthrow the US Government.
You see, they are going to team up with the Amish, who are secretly Jedi Knights mind you.

There first plan of action will be to taint the Egg, Peanut Butter, and Meat supply. (Done, done done and done)
Then they, along with Democrats, will cause the earthquake in Haiti (They worship the devil, they had it coming)
Finally, they will simply take over the White House and turn the US into one big Mosque.

The end.

+1 sir

[Falconer02]

I know, to start with we don't believe in the concept of owning a piece of the earth. Here is were some people will bring up turf wars from pre-contact. It wasn't about the land per-say, it was about the groceries. Take for an illustrative example if I came to your home, didn't knock etc, opened the door, walked into your kitchen, open a cabinet and started munching on your goodies. You would probably, and most justifiably, have the urge to kick my azz for it. Same thing...

I was told since I was a kid that the first large and primitive wars originally started with someone going "this area is mine". Sad that it is practically the same thing as today. I totally agree. And you're welcome in my refrigerator anytime. There's usually not much in there anyway. Just don't touch my cool ranch doritos and dr. pepper. That...that's just unacceptable.

Also, most of us don't spend most of our time meddling in others personal affairs and if someone wants to practice their spirituality, we don't feel we have the right to attempt to deny that.

On an individual level, sure. But I'm one to think we should have the right to deny practice in such extreme cases as scientology though-- when it branches from being personal to actually causing major harm to individuals freedoms and societies governments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White One could argue christianity does this in our gov't currently and I see this as not respecting the separation of church and state.

I do admit to having a personal hang up about fellow natives who have adopted christianity (and there are way too many of them, in my opinion)as I feel that is very disrespectful to the Ancestors and their sacrifices they made to protect and preserve our traditions, however, I realize that that is a personal issue of mine and in no way negates ones right to the lifestyle of their choosing as long as they are not trying to make me extinct, so I keep it to myself and just fume quietly about it.

Totally understandable.

These select few muslims had to have some knowledge of what their plans would cause as far as a "terrorist backlash" from New Yorkers. I really think they just don't care. Its almost like a "religious dare" or something, just to shake things up for no reason at all. There are plenty of other areas to build at.

Also I've heard about a lot of other religious groups who have been trying to get permission to build and meet in the same area with only negative results, why is it ok for the muslims but not the others?

very true, why stir something up if there's no reason for it

I think there's many things to address here that I don't think anyone else knows about-- specifically since we don't seem to have any (NY) muslim FC members responding to this (or if there even is one on this forum) and also maybe there's a lot of muslims living around that area and that just seems like a decent radius to build in. I think it is a dare on everyones part that wishes to uphold what America is all about. It seems more like a test and that's why I think political officials are supporting the build. Walksalone posted an interesting article that I think you should check out- http://fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=18037.0

Yea, this is NOT going to be good!!!

I know how you feel, and I'm crossing my fingers that nothing bad will come of it.  But just remember after all my comments in this thread, I still hate organized religion.

[cherrington17]

I can see how they want to keep religion away.  It makes sense. (and its ill reported that theres a greek orthodox church that was there, was demolished and now they won't let them rebuild it)

but to publicly announce (like that one senator did) that building it would attract more muslims, and they are terrorists, is spreading hate on a level that is staggeringly stupid.

Islam is just as peaceful as Christianity.  Equating all Muslims to terrorists, means all Christians are terrorists because the KKK says they are christian. 


Instead of saying "no mosques"  they should say "no religion" and offend everyone, instead of just one group, who had no affiliation with the people who attacked the USA.

[Falconer02]

and its ill reported that theres a greek orthodox church that was there, was demolished and now they won't let them rebuild it

Source? I'll update the original post if this is the case.

Instead of saying "no mosques"  they should say "no religion" and offend everyone

YESSSS! Mwahahahahahahaaaaaa!

[jordandog]

and its ill reported that theres a greek orthodox church that was there, was demolished and now they won't let them rebuild it

Source? I'll update the original post if this is the case.

Falconer, here is some info on the Greek Orthodox church situation and no, it is not exactly true they are not 'allowed' to rebuild, much more to the story.

August 24, 2010
Some want Ground Zero church rebuilt
Supporters of a Greek Orthodox church destroyed on Sept. 11 say officials willing to speak out about a planned community center and mosque near ground zero have been silent on efforts to get the church rebuilt, the Associated Press reports.

But the World Trade Center site's owner says a deal to help rebuild St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church was offered and rejected, after years of negotiations, over money and other issues.

Though the projects are not related, supporters — including George Pataki, New York's governor at the time of the Sept. 11 attacks — have questioned why public officials have not addressed St. Nicholas' future while they lead a debate on whether and where the Islamic cultural center should be built.

"What about us? Why have they forgotten or abandoned their commitment to us?" asked Father Alex Karloutsos, assistant to the archbishop of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America. "When I see them raising issues about the mosque and not thinking about the church that was destroyed, it does bother us."


That AP release is from the Baltimore Sun. Here is a link if you want to read more of the article - second one on page:
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/faith/politics/

[cherrington17]

if they allow one, they must allow the other.  no question.  And if anyone protests, then they are committing a hate crime against islam... and their ignorance should be punished.

[kenrachel1993]

I think they should have thought about building the Mosque so close to ground zero a little more. Your gonna have people defacing/ vandalising it.  Plenty of unbalanced people out there who blame all for the actions of a few.

Is it a mosque they are building or more like a community center for muslims?

im in agreement with you , we know that not all muslims are terrorists , heres the catch ...... ground zero , the memorial was put there for eveyone that died and not for any one religion , so i feel they have no business putting the mosQue so close to it !!

[SurveyMack10]

if they allow one, they must allow the other.  no question.  And if anyone protests, then they are committing a hate crime against islam... and their ignorance should be punished.

so freedom of religion is ok but not freedom of speech?