How can a God of love send anybody to Hell?

[Annella]

Censorship of words -- another stupid thing man invented.

What are you a butch bitc*?

Not eloquently put!

[Annella]

She is low class 

And you're on welfare, which is lower than low class. 

How would you know that?  That's pretty significant information.  Also, it's a rude shot at someone if they are on Welfare.

[queenofnines]

How would you know that?  That's pretty significant information.  Also, it's a rude shot at someone if they are on Welfare.

Because she has said on this forum that she gets to stay home and the government pays for her.  She's bragged about her mooching, so it is not rude for me to have said what I did.  Also, my wording was meant as a joke compared to hers, which came out of nowhere.

[Annella]

How would you know that?  That's pretty significant information.  Also, it's a rude shot at someone if they are on Welfare.

Because she has said on this forum that she gets to stay home and the government pays for her.  She's bragged about her mooching, so it is not rude for me to have said what I did.  Also, my wording was meant as a joke compared to hers, which came out of nowhere.

Noted........but welfare is not LOWER than low class.  Do we tell a mother who was abused by her husband, and her only recourse is to take her children and leave, go on welfare until she can get a job, lower than low class?

[jordandog]

How would you know that?  That's pretty significant information.  Also, it's a rude shot at someone if they are on Welfare.

Because she has said on this forum that she gets to stay home and the government pays for her.  She's bragged about her mooching, so it is not rude for me to have said what I did.  Also, my wording was meant as a joke compared to hers, which came out of nowhere.

I get Social Security Disablity...big difference. Well I used to, now I get Social Security...the same as old people would get when they go on social security...money based on what they made when working.

You cannot possibly receive Social Security "like old people get". You are too old to be under a parent's death benefit, you are too old to receive it even for being a student under a parents' benefits, and certainly have no long track record of being employed. So you are either receiving it on disability or receiving SSI which is simply disability PLUS more $$ because you don't work and don't own anything. I help patients who are disabled by life threatening/changing conditions file for disability all the time. I document their health and treatment history and therefore their medical proof of need.

[jordandog]

Noted........but welfare is not LOWER than low class.  Do we tell a mother who was abused by her husband, and her only recourse is to take her children and leave, go on welfare until she can get a job, lower than low class?

I agree with your example above, BUT you can hardly compare marieelissa with someone in that situation.

[Annella]

Noted........but welfare is not LOWER than low class.  Do we tell a mother who was abused by her husband, and her only recourse is to take her children and leave, go on welfare until she can get a job, lower than low class?

I agree with your example above, BUT you can hardly compare marieelissa with someone in that situation.

Nor would I......as everybody's situation is unique.  Marieelissa made the statement she's was on SSI/Disability, which has now been changed to just SSI (which happens after Approx. 10 years, after SSI/Disability's first diagnosis).  During those 10 years, she is re-evaluated every 3 years (intensively, I might add), to see if she's still "Disabled".  Then, and only then, it becomes permanent.  The Government decides this.  It's a long, difficult process to obtain SSI under the "Disability" heading, as it has so many variables.  I'm speaking from a Specialists point of view as having worked in the industry as a Claims Adjuster for Psyc.

Since nobody actually "knows" anybody on this forum (are you really a cat?  lol), how can we make disparaging remarks about their standard of living, no matter what they portray on a forum.  Even the alcoholic in the alley that we avert our eyes from (because he's soiled himself) is not low class.  What's his story, how did he get there?

There are people on this forum that are so angry.....and hateful in their postings.  However, why are they like this?  They all have a story to tell.  We all have a tendency to judge from what we read, when actually they may not be like that at all.....in real life.  Some people are so lonely, that this is the only attention they get.  Others have real problems, and nobody will listen to them, so this is their only outlet.  Some have dropped through the cracks, and society could care less.  Do we reject them because they don't fit into our cookie cutter way we see how life should be?   There are many on here that don't agree with me, or I with them......so what?  None of them in my book are low class.........No one is!!!

Jordandog, I'm not coming down on you.  I just happened to pick your post to say this.  I happen to find your inquiries interesting, and they make me dig out answers.

[queenofnines]

There are people on this forum that are so angry.....and hateful in their postings...We all have a tendency to judge from what we read, when actually they may not be like that at all.....in real life.

Yep, like you thinking I am angry, lol! (if you were referring to me)  I'm not angry...I'm passionate.  

As for welfare, it is the people who ABUSE THE SYSTEM that tick me off.  Obviously I cannot know for sure if marieelissa is one of those or not, but when she says stuff like, "It's so awesome; I get everything for free and live a life of watching TV and surfing the 'Net, all day long!" it's not helping her case for my thinking she's legit.

[jordandog]

Plus...I am not going to be miserable because I can't work...I will find happiness.

Actually, you CAN still work and NOT lose or endanger your benefits as long as you don't excede the income limits. I have MANY patients twice, three times your age (and also younger than you) with every type of cancer there is, AIDS, on dialysis 4 times/week, the list goes on. I am constantly amazed, and humbled, by just how many of them continue to work. You have the gall to say that you cannot?! You function to shop, be on a computer, make decisions for yourself, etc., but don't have even a part time job? Maybe getting yourself OFF the computer and OUT of these forums would do wonders for you because you certainly DO NOT come across as getting any 'happier' on here, seriously.

[Annella]

There are people on this forum that are so angry.....and hateful in their postings...We all have a tendency to judge from what we read, when actually they may not be like that at all.....in real life.

Yep, like you thinking I am angry, lol! (if you were referring to me)  I'm not angry...I'm passionate.  

As for welfare, it is the people who ABUSE THE SYSTEM that tick me off.  Obviously I cannot know for sure if marieelissa is one of those or not, but when she says stuff like, "It's so awesome; I get everything for free and live a life of watching TV and surfing the 'Net, all day long!" it's not helping her case for my thinking she's legit.

There is abuse in EVERY system.  Since you don't know if Marieelissa is one of those or not.........huh?   It still doesn't afford you opportunity to stick a title of "lower than low class" on anybody, even if you knew.  

You know qon, you have a pretty good IQ, anyone would be lying if they said otherwise, reading your posts.  However, It's the lack of social graces where you need a bit of work.  Name calling, negative titles, intimidation, and such like, doesn't get any point across except the fact your abrasive, and use it to it's full potential.  No matter what your trying to pedal, it gets lost in your banter of ill will, which you wield like a saber.  Passionate?  .....I'm not convinced.
 

[Annella]

Plus...I am not going to be miserable because I can't work...I will find happiness.

Actually, you CAN still work and NOT lose or endanger your benefits as long as you don't excede the income limits. I have MANY patients twice, three times your age (and also younger than you) with every type of cancer there is, AIDS, on dialysis 4 times/week, the list goes on. I am constantly amazed, and humbled, by just how many of them continue to work. You have the gall to say that you cannot?! You function to shop, be on a computer, make decisions for yourself, etc., but don't have even a part time job? Maybe getting yourself OFF the computer and OUT of these forums would do wonders for you because you certainly DO NOT come across as getting any 'happier' on here, seriously.

Yes, you can work and not lose your benefits, but there are limits and pretty complicated Regs. regarding it.  Get the pamphlet "Working While Disabled".  It reads like a college text book with it's formulas and applications.  I have a College degree, and I even had trouble deciphering all the different monetary formulas to use for claiming how much you claim to the SSI. for somebody.

Some people cannot hold jobs, no matter how many they may obtain.  All the things you listed are "physical" ailments.  There are other disabilities that CANNOT be seen.  These have the highest ignorance of public understanding, as the person "looks" perfectly normal, and even speaks normal at times, but are actually helpless in their ability to function for any extended period of time.

Gall?  I feel it takes a lot of "gall" to label a person "lower than low class".

[jordandog]

I might add that unless your a robot...not believing in God or a Heaven will do some major damage to your spirit...I see it all over the D+D!

This is why I didn't understand some people but I do now...if they don't believe in God....they are hurting!

I'm certainly not a robot, but my spirit is not damaged by any means, nor am I 'hurting'. You always tout that people don't know you, so how can you say that about others here, regardless of a belief or non-belief in a god?
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Annella, I may not have worked for the SSA, but I am very knowledgeable about exactly how the system works, what the requirements are, and also that it happens to be MUCH easier to get disability for a mental illness simply because you cannot physically look into a person's psyche per se. It is quite easy to 'fool' doctors into believing you do have an aspect of mental illness - it happens day in and day out.
Yes, I did mention gall, but I did not say "lower than lower class". You tell me not to own what isn't mine, but when you write things in answer to me, and include other's comments, it looks like you are implying I did say them.

[Annella]

I might add that unless your a robot...not believing in God or a Heaven will do some major damage to your spirit...I see it all over the D+D!

This is why I didn't understand some people but I do now...if they don't believe in God....they are hurting!

I'm certainly not a robot, but my spirit is not damaged by any means, nor am I 'hurting'. You always tout that people don't know you, so how can you say that about others here, regardless of a belief or non-belief in a god?
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Annella, I may not have worked for the SSA, but I am very knowledgeable about exactly how the system works, what the requirements are, and also that it happens to be MUCH easier to get disability for a mental illness simply because you cannot physically look into a person's psyche per se. It is quite easy to 'fool' doctors into believing you do have an aspect of mental illness - it happens day in and day out.
Yes, I did mention gall, but I did not say "lower than lower class". You tell me not to own what isn't mine, but when you write things in answer to me, and include other's comments, it looks like you are implying I did say them.

Your correct......you did not say "lower than low class", and I should not use your posts for a sounding board for other people's comments.......I sincerly apologize!  My mind works ahead, and I try to "consolidate" my comments from other posts I've read on my way to comment (clear as mud, huh?.....lol).  I'll try not to do that to you any more.


On another note:  Every system has flaws, but we have no right to say this person is faking, or that one isn't.  I have dealt with the Psyc. aspect of it, and we're not even scratching the surface.  Not everybody that's drooling at the mouth, and claiming to be God, is mentally challenged.  There are those that look so normal, dressed impeccably, articulate, socially acceptable, and SMART, but they have no idea how to function that way for more than 5 minutes.  It used to be a more of a "crap shoot", than it is today. There are better "means" to weed out the freeloaders.

On the same note, how many of those claiming "back pain" get the benefits of SSI, and the only way they did it is through a crooked doctor?  Where there's a surplus of money, there's going to be deceptive means to "bilk" the system.

[Annella]

Jordandog, Didn't mean to yell either.....I corrected it.

[jordandog]

Thank you, Annella, because after about the 4th time, it was driving me bonkers when you kept telling me "not to own.....".     
It's all good.