Religion and Homosexuality

[SurveyMack10]

 Walksalone,   I wish you would not call Annella and Mackenzie those sarcastic names when you talk to them.

Ok, no problem at all

  especially since they are Christians.

UHHHHH, as opposed to what, exactly?

Thanks, walksalone, for answering!  Re: the 2nd part, "especially since they are Christians," :  I felt like you weren't just calling any kind of names, but mocking the fact they are Christians and so the names had to do with mocking their choice of Christianity.  I don't like malicious name calling of any kind, but we all like to jokingly call our friends and family names within our joking zones.  This, again, I felt was aimed toward their Christianity and that's why I wrote that.
Thank you, again, for your reslponse.  I appreciate that very much!  

I see JC, and understand how you might come to that conclusion so I will address where I think the assumption is wrong.

As I have previously stated, I have close, in the real, friends of many different belief systems, so no....I wouldn't call someone names based on  that.
If so, why would you think that I havent addressed Mrs. Sherna as such?
Actually there are a few NDNs who I also see as bigots and often remind them of such.

As for Mack....well, to make a long story short, I see some reflections of myself in her that I abhor, such as trying to project more intelligence then we actually posses,so...... well......I apologize Mack for that.

Did you just say I'm trying to project more intelligence than I posess?

Yep

Sorry Marie you misinderstood- that was responding to walks

[teflonfanatic]

I would guess that your definition for arsenokoitai is taken from a Christian oriented site because they all tend to say that same thing. Big surprise there - not really. I have looked extensively through a minimum of 50 sites (most likely more) for a definition of arsenokoitai. They all state there is no clear, concise definition. They all state it is an ambiguous word at best - it is a compund word with multiple definitions and is thought to have been coined by Paul from Leviticus. Leviticus discussed sacred prostitution so if Paul coined the word from that, it is believed that Paul condemned sacred prostitution and not homosexuality. I have looked at things regarding the Bible and this word written by umpteen scholars from every century, and while they all refer to the word, not one of them provides a definition either. What upsets me, actually it angers me, is what I wrote previously. One guy comes along in 1958 who is a translator for the New Amplified Bible.  He alone decides to translate this mysterious Greek word into English and he decides it means 'homosexuals' - even though no such word exists in either Greek or Hebrew and even breaking it down, like you wrote it, does NOT follow any rules of translation. So now it stands, as he first wrote it, in the English-language Bible. To me, that was a very convenient way to insert his and society's homophobia into the Bible where it would be perpetuated throughout the years. That makes me angry!

The passage copied below is from 'The Christian Research Institute'. NOT from any pro-gay activist site or anything that can be construed as biased and/or favoring a homosexual lifestyle:
Theologian John H. Elliott, Professor Emeritus of Theology and Religious Studies at the University of San Francisco, has written one of the most thorough studies of 1 Corinthians 6:9–10 to date. He concludes that “nothing in 1 Corinthians, or for that matter in any other biblical writing, speaks directly of the biological or psychological condition of homosexuality or homosexual ‘orientation’ as this is understood today and as it concerns believing Christian gay persons intent on worshipping and serving God.”
He concludes from his research that the Bible in its entirety, as with 1 Corinthians specifically, offers sparse and ambiguous evidence concerning male-male sexual relationships, and is “conditioned by cultural perceptions and behavioral patterns too alien to those of modern times to provide an adequate basis for a contemporary ethic of homosexuality as homosexuality is currently understood.” If a case is to be made for or against the morality of homosexuality as it is understood in contemporary society, Elliott argues, it will have to be made on evidence other than 1 Corinthians 6:9–10 and other similar passages contained in the Bible.

Well, I know the word homosexual didn't exist in the original language. The passage you copied from The Christian Research Institute is interesting. My thoughts are that, in the situation where a particular word is hard to interpret, the main focus should be taken off that individual word and look at it in context of what point the author is trying to make. If that means you can't force it to translate what you want it to, well tough! If Paul wasn't talking about sexual orientation here, and was referring to prostitution with young males, then that's what he was talking about! It is difficult I think for people who WANT to judge other people to take their focus off unimportant things and focus on the point.

I said earlier in this thread, if a homosexual person loves God, who cares what anyone else says about it! I cannot judge them. And although I believe it is a choice, I don't believe it's a choice that they make, like I make a choice to have coffee or tea for breakfast. I think it is psychological, and I won't deny I could be wrong about this being psychological from birth. I think that God can heal anybody of anything (I know you don't believe this, but I'm sharing my thoughts on where I stand in light of your information). I know people who thought they were born gay and are now heterosexual and happy, they say God healed them. But if a person is gay and they feel they were born that way, and they don't even believe they NEED to be healed, ok. What's important is that they choose God and love him, that they love people and show God to them. There is a song, an old song that says "They will know we are Christians by our love" I never heard the song "They will know we are Christians by our sex life"

God can use gay people to save people, God can use any sinner He chooses...He even uses me and I'm horrible! So, do I still think it's sin? Yes. But it really doesn't matter because I'm not better than a gay person, in fact a lot of them are probably better than me, so I really do want to set myself up here as some holier than thou, look down my nose at you cuz you're going to hell kind of person.

Anyhow, I think I have gotten to emotional and started rambling. 

Let's pretend that God doesn't mind you having sex anyway you want, even though it clearly says you can't in his law. Does that make bestiality and orges ok as long as you  love God?

3 Beloved ones, though I was making every effort to write YOU about the salvation we hold in common, I found it necessary to write YOU to exhort YOU to put up a hard fight for the faith that was once for all time delivered to the holy ones. 4 My reason is that certain men have slipped in who have long ago been appointed by the Scriptures to this judgment, ungodly men, turning the undeserved kindness of our God into an excuse for loose conduct and proving false to our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ.

[Falconer02]

Does that make bestiality and orges ok as long as you  love God?

*bleep* is dangerous on so many levels so obviously no. It's not okay. Orgies? Controversial. There's a book called Sexual Revolution that you should read on the subject that discusses some pros/cons. I think anyone with an ounce of imagination can get the basic problems of it in their head though 

[jordandog]

Does that make bestiality and orges ok as long as you  love God?

Eww, who would want to do an animal? Animals can't consent, they are not human..

But I think syphillis comes from a guy doin' a sheep.

The sheep = syphilis is pure Treponema pallidum is the agent that causes syphilis and it has only one known host - humans. It can't be 'grown' in vitro (an artificial environment) and the only environment outside the human body that it can be replicated is in the testes of rabbits. It can be transmitted through blood transfusions, live bacteria can enter a wound, and a syphilis carrier with open sores can and will infect anyone in close bodily contact with them. This is why pregnant women are still tested for syphilis and if they aren't and go untreated, their babies are born with many problems. There is a fairly high rate of death in poor countries for these babies also. Maybe you do, but I don't know any guys who have had sex with Bugs Bunny..... Christopher Columbus is thought to have been the first to bring it to America, but I have never seen that in any history books for kids.

[amyrouse]

Does that make bestiality and orges ok as long as you  love God?

I still say this is a weak argument against homosexuality or homosexual marriage.

[walksalone11]

 Walksalone,   I wish you would not call Annella and Mackenzie those sarcastic names when you talk to them.

Ok, no problem at all

  especially since they are Christians.

UHHHHH, as opposed to what, exactly?

Thanks, walksalone, for answering!  Re: the 2nd part, "especially since they are Christians," :  I felt like you weren't just calling any kind of names, but mocking the fact they are Christians and so the names had to do with mocking their choice of Christianity.  I don't like malicious name calling of any kind, but we all like to jokingly call our friends and family names within our joking zones.  This, again, I felt was aimed toward their Christianity and that's why I wrote that.
Thank you, again, for your reslponse.  I appreciate that very much!  

I see JC, and understand how you might come to that conclusion so I will address where I think the assumption is wrong.

As I have previously stated, I have close, in the real, friends of many different belief systems, so no....I wouldn't call someone names based on  that.
If so, why would you think that I havent addressed Mrs. Sherna as such?
Actually there are a few NDNs who I also see as bigots and often remind them of such.

As for Mack....well, to make a long story short, I see some reflections of myself in her that I abhor, such as trying to project more intelligence then we actually posses,so...... well......I apologize Mack for that.

Did you just say I'm trying to project more intelligence than I posess?

Uhhhhhh...yes Ma'am, see what I mean?

yeah yeah, "how dare I" I got it.

[ricky981]

first of all there is no where in the bible that said god created gay humans is like when you choose to do something you do it is a choice.

[walksalone11]

first of all there is no where in the bible that said god created gay humans is like when you choose to do something you do it is a choice.

Ricky, I am assuming you are a male......what would you think about have a sexual relationship with another male?

Hell no not with me, I love the ladies.

It would be quite difficult, and I would dare say impossible for you to choose to do that, right?

Doesn't take many brain cells to figure out that the argument, that it is a conscious choice that goes against our nature, is simply bull *bleep*.

[SurveyMack10]

 Walksalone,   I wish you would not call Annella and Mackenzie those sarcastic names when you talk to them.

Ok, no problem at all

  especially since they are Christians.

UHHHHH, as opposed to what, exactly?

Thanks, walksalone, for answering!  Re: the 2nd part, "especially since they are Christians," :  I felt like you weren't just calling any kind of names, but mocking the fact they are Christians and so the names had to do with mocking their choice of Christianity.  I don't like malicious name calling of any kind, but we all like to jokingly call our friends and family names within our joking zones.  This, again, I felt was aimed toward their Christianity and that's why I wrote that.
Thank you, again, for your reslponse.  I appreciate that very much!  

I see JC, and understand how you might come to that conclusion so I will address where I think the assumption is wrong.

As I have previously stated, I have close, in the real, friends of many different belief systems, so no....I wouldn't call someone names based on  that.
If so, why would you think that I havent addressed Mrs. Sherna as such?
Actually there are a few NDNs who I also see as bigots and often remind them of such.

As for Mack....well, to make a long story short, I see some reflections of myself in her that I abhor, such as trying to project more intelligence then we actually posses,so...... well......I apologize Mack for that.

Did you just say I'm trying to project more intelligence than I posess?

Uhhhhhh...yes Ma'am, see what I mean?

yeah yeah, "how dare I" I got it.

Actually I was just asking to make sure I understood right before I responded, I mean someone with my low level of intelligence could easily have misread what you said.

[SurveyMack10]

 Walksalone,   I wish you would not call Annella and Mackenzie those sarcastic names when you talk to them.

Ok, no problem at all

  especially since they are Christians.

UHHHHH, as opposed to what, exactly?

Thanks, walksalone, for answering!  Re: the 2nd part, "especially since they are Christians," :  I felt like you weren't just calling any kind of names, but mocking the fact they are Christians and so the names had to do with mocking their choice of Christianity.  I don't like malicious name calling of any kind, but we all like to jokingly call our friends and family names within our joking zones.  This, again, I felt was aimed toward their Christianity and that's why I wrote that.
Thank you, again, for your reslponse.  I appreciate that very much!  

I see JC, and understand how you might come to that conclusion so I will address where I think the assumption is wrong.

As I have previously stated, I have close, in the real, friends of many different belief systems, so no....I wouldn't call someone names based on  that.
If so, why would you think that I havent addressed Mrs. Sherna as such?
Actually there are a few NDNs who I also see as bigots and often remind them of such.

As for Mack....well, to make a long story short, I see some reflections of myself in her that I abhor, such as trying to project more intelligence then we actually posses,so...... well......I apologize Mack for that.

Did you just say I'm trying to project more intelligence than I posess?

Uhhhhhh...yes Ma'am, see what I mean?

yeah yeah, "how dare I" I got it.

and what is it exactly that you're apologizing for?

[Huneza]

no comment

[shernajwine]

Let's pretend that God doesn't mind you having sex anyway you want, even though it clearly says you can't in his law. Does that make bestiality and orges ok as long as you  love God?

Loving God does not make ANY sin permissible. Loving God puts you in a relationship with Him, your sin is between you and God and He is faithful to complete His work in us. Do you think you are better and more holy than gays or people who have sex with animals? I got news for you; you're not. Neither am I.

[amyrouse]

Let's pretend that God doesn't mind you having sex anyway you want, even though it clearly says you can't in his law. Does that make bestiality and orges ok as long as you  love God?

Loving God does not make ANY sin permissible. Loving God puts you in a relationship with Him, your sin is between you and God and He is faithful to complete His work in us. Do you think you are better and more holy than gays or people who have sex with animals? I got news for you; you're not. Neither am I.

You have just earned a spot as my favorite person of the day today, Sherene!

[queenofnines]

Doesn't take many brain cells to figure out that the argument, that it is a conscious choice that goes against our nature, is simply bull *bleep*.

Right-O!  We should but this on the side of a bus.     lol

[teflonfanatic]

Does that make bestiality and orges ok as long as you  love God?

I still say this is a weak argument against homosexuality or homosexual marriage.

Actually the arguement is valid. Choosing to disobey God's law is no different then choosing to disobey state laws or country laws etc. Oh wait... You say they're legalizing homosexuality? Ok, get back to me when they legalize other stuff condemned in the bible such as bestiality and outdoor orgies.

P.S. They legalized prostitution in Nevada, I guess you think it's ok for your 17 to be a prostitute yes?