Religion and Homosexuality

[queenofnines]

My dog and myself wouldn't be discriminated against in the workplace of Animal photography. Should I be allowed to marry her? Hell no.

Your dog can't consent like a human can. 

My sister wouldn't be discriminated against. Is she a viable option for me now too?

Actually, you're allowed to marry your first cousin in many U.S. States!  Weird, eh?  But it comes down to the issue of birth defects for any future children you might have...

I want 10 wives. Is that cool?

Muslims are allowed to engage in polygamy in Europe.  No one else, mind you.  In any event, I personally don't have a problem with you having 10 wives, so long as they are all consenting.  The only issue I can think of is fairness when it comes to tax and legal benefits.

Is it okay if one of those 10 is 15?

Well that used to be the norm.    But age of consent is the issue here.  Nothing against people's wills!

It just opens up a metaphorical Pandora's Box for all other sorts of marriage that should not be going on.

I understand your point, but do you feel the guideline of consenting, human adults would suffice?

[roguetodd]

My dog and myself wouldn't be discriminated against in the workplace of Animal photography. Should I be allowed to marry her? Hell no.

Your dog can't consent like a human can.  

My sister wouldn't be discriminated against. Is she a viable option for me now too?

Actually, you're allowed to marry your first cousin in many U.S. States!  Weird, eh?  But it comes down to the issue of birth defects for any future children you might have...

I want 10 wives. Is that cool?

Muslims are allowed to engage in polygamy in Europe.  No one else, mind you.  In any event, I personally don't have a problem with you having 10 wives, so long as they are all consenting.  The only issue I can think of is fairness when it comes to tax and legal benefits.

Is it okay if one of those 10 is 15?

Well that used to be the norm.    But age of consent is the issue here.  Nothing against people's wills!

It just opens up a metaphorical Pandora's Box for all other sorts of marriage that should not be going on.

I understand your point, but do you feel the guideline of consenting, human adults would suffice?

Are you sure? I mean i REALLLLY love my dog. And you mean her wagging her tail isn't consent? lol.

And are you really going to say you don't have a problem with polygamists? (You'd be the first female I'd heard of to say so, even I think its raunchy)

I suppose it honestly boils down to what the majority of the population believes is morally and ethically acceptable in our society. (Reference illegal drug methodology I.E a majority deem it not okay, so the minority gets to put up with it, or seek less legal methods)

[shernajwine]

I suppose it honestly boils down to what the majority of the population believes is morally and ethically acceptable in our society.

Lol, this is exactly what I said! In another topic about morality, she said the majority decides morality. I guess when the majority is in disagreement with her, it's no longer acceptable 

[Annella]

P.S When did this thread turn into a flame war?

Errr...correction. This whole Forum Category is pretty much becoming one.(sad to say as it is)

The topic is debate and discuss, not argue and fight. Lets act like adults here and assume a little higher level of maturity than is being displayed.

There's no reason to be discriminatory or downright mean to anyone over a forum, take a step back and look at this in a larger scope of view. What exactly is this doing for you besides making your day that much more stressful? Nothing really, you have your beliefs and the person sitting 1000's of miles away form you on their computer has theirs.

Lets grow a pair here, man up, and continue Debating rather than breaking down and squabbling like 5 year old children, shall we?

K thanks. I have complete faith in everyone here.

Your not saying anything others haven't said.  However, some people on here don't know how to communicate effectively.  Your fairly new here, and actually need to click on certain people's names, and read only their posts at a time.  It will give you their last post, and next, next, on and on.  This will give you a fairly good idea what issues have been discussed, and responses or rebuttals.   Welcome to the Forum.  Good to have you here.

Oh now now. You give me too little credit.

This isn't my first Forum Rodeo, and won't be my last. Some people come off as harsh and abrasive and that is how they express themselves. Some people take this harshness to heart and get hurt over it. If we all mellow out and try and stifle those nasty habits, whatever they may be, we can collectively create a much more peaceful and enjoyable forum for everyone.

There really isn't any other way around that.

P.S I lurked for a while before I posted anything. So I know more than you may think.

 

[Annella]

I don't have to travel any where. Many of my Relations are "legally banned" from practicing their Spirituality right here in this country, today.
Of course, you don't want to respond to that eh Rev. Bigot?

Must be something your doing in your practices that make them "legally banned".  Since I don't write the laws of this Nation, your question is misdirected.  Try writing your Congress Person, or State Representatives.  Also, try not to apply negative titles while addressing them, as your letter might end up in their circular file.  Just FYI.

Not at all, some NDNs are allowed to participate in certain ceremonies and others are not allowed to participate in the identical ceremony. Also as I have repeatedly stated on this site some NDNs are allowed to posses certain spiritual items and other NDNs are forbidden to posses the same item. And....the ones who are allowed to practice our spiritual traditions were only allowed the right with the Native American Religious Freedoms Act of Aug. 11, 1978

http://74.6.117.48/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=native+american+religious+freedoms+act&fr=chrf-ytbm&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=native+american+religious+freedoms+act&d=4742799371667661&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=c5d311b4,2fb35a28&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=vKn7Le0x5JM4R49r9hqE0w--

While I understand your frustration. I have absolutely no power to change what you perceive is happening to your people. Also, addressing me in negative titles, does nothing to endear me to your plight.  Have a good evening.

[walksalone11]

I don't have to travel any where. Many of my Relations are "legally banned" from practicing their Spirituality right here in this country, today.
Of course, you don't want to respond to that eh Rev. Bigot?

Must be something your doing in your practices that make them "legally banned".  Since I don't write the laws of this Nation, your question is misdirected.  Try writing your Congress Person, or State Representatives.  Also, try not to apply negative titles while addressing them, as your letter might end up in their circular file.  Just FYI.

Not at all, some NDNs are allowed to participate in certain ceremonies and others are not allowed to participate in the identical ceremony. Also as I have repeatedly stated on this site some NDNs are allowed to posses certain spiritual items and other NDNs are forbidden to posses the same item. And....the ones who are allowed to practice our spiritual traditions were only allowed the right with the Native American Religious Freedoms Act of Aug. 11, 1978

http://74.6.117.48/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=native+american+religious+freedoms+act&fr=chrf-ytbm&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=native+american+religious+freedoms+act&d=4742799371667661&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=c5d311b4,2fb35a28&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=vKn7Le0x5JM4R49r9hqE0w--

While I understand your frustration. I have absolutely no power to change what you perceive is happening to your people. Also, addressing me in negative titles, does nothing to endear me to your plight.  Have a good evening.

You do the same.

"Love the sinner" eh?  

[Annella]

I don't have to travel any where. Many of my Relations are "legally banned" from practicing their Spirituality right here in this country, today.
Of course, you don't want to respond to that eh Rev. Bigot?

Must be something your doing in your practices that make them "legally banned".  Since I don't write the laws of this Nation, your question is misdirected.  Try writing your Congress Person, or State Representatives.  Also, try not to apply negative titles while addressing them, as your letter might end up in their circular file.  Just FYI.

Not at all, some NDNs are allowed to participate in certain ceremonies and others are not allowed to participate in the identical ceremony. Also as I have repeatedly stated on this site some NDNs are allowed to posses certain spiritual items and other NDNs are forbidden to posses the same item. And....the ones who are allowed to practice our spiritual traditions were only allowed the right with the Native American Religious Freedoms Act of Aug. 11, 1978

http://74.6.117.48/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=native+american+religious+freedoms+act&fr=chrf-ytbm&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=native+american+religious+freedoms+act&d=4742799371667661&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=c5d311b4,2fb35a28&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=vKn7Le0x5JM4R49r9hqE0w--

While I understand your frustration. I have absolutely no power to change what you perceive is happening to your people. Also, addressing me in negative titles, does nothing to endear me to your plight.  Have a good evening.

You do the same.

"Love the sinner" eh?  

Even when they try their best to be unlovable.

[jcribb16]

P.S When did this thread turn into a flame war?

Errr...correction. This whole Forum Category is pretty much becoming one.(sad to say as it is)

The topic is debate and discuss, not argue and fight. Lets act like adults here and assume a little higher level of maturity than is being displayed.

There's no reason to be discriminatory or downright mean to anyone over a forum, take a step back and look at this in a larger scope of view. What exactly is this doing for you besides making your day that much more stressful? Nothing really, you have your beliefs and the person sitting 1000's of miles away form you on their computer has theirs.

Lets grow a pair here, man up, and continue Debating rather than breaking down and squabbling like 5 year old children, shall we?

K thanks. I have complete faith in everyone here.

There are  some that can't quit the name calling when they respond.  Let them begin the maturing...

[jcribb16]

P.S When did this thread turn into a flame war?

Errr...correction. This whole Forum Category is pretty much becoming one.(sad to say as it is)

The topic is debate and discuss, not argue and fight. Lets act like adults here and assume a little higher level of maturity than is being displayed.

There's no reason to be discriminatory or downright mean to anyone over a forum, take a step back and look at this in a larger scope of view. What exactly is this doing for you besides making your day that much more stressful? Nothing really, you have your beliefs and the person sitting 1000's of miles away form you on their computer has theirs.

Lets grow a pair here, man up, and continue Debating rather than breaking down and squabbling like 5 year old children, shall we?

K thanks. I have complete faith in everyone here.

Thank you, that's what I've been trying to say (only to a couple, though.)  There are a lot of fine, friendly debaters in here, both Christians and non-christians. 

Scratch my post on this one above, please. I meant to say that there are some debaters that do the name calling instead of just responding or debating.  Those people need to be the first ones to take the step to maturing.  There are a couple who don't name call, but mostly  ones that do are aiming it toward Christians.

[jcribb16]

   Walksalone,  I can't stay passive on this, even though I did try.  I wish you would not call Annella and Mackenzie those sarcastic names when you talk to them.  I thought you were a mature adult who could debate and converse without including the name calling.  That doesn't get you anywhere, you know.  It just makes you look immature and foolish that you are mocking other adults, especially since they are Christians.  I realize you and I haven't really spoken much, other than the Indian threads, but I couldn't sit back and not take up for friends who do not deserve to be called those names.  Thank you.

[Annella]

  Walksalone,  I can't stay passive on this, even though I did try.  I wish you would not call Annella and Sherna those sarcastic names when you talk to them.  I thought you were a mature adult who could debate and converse without including the name calling.  That doesn't get you anywhere, you know.  It just makes you look immature and foolish that you are mocking other adults, especially since they are Christians.  I realize you and I haven't really spoken much, other than the Indian threads, but I couldn't sit back and not take up for friends who do not deserve to be called those names.  Thank you.

It's me and Mackenzie he's singled out.........not Sherene.  Thank you for your words

[jcribb16]

  Walksalone,  I can't stay passive on this, even though I did try.  I wish you would not call Annella and Sherna those sarcastic names when you talk to them.  I thought you were a mature adult who could debate and converse without including the name calling.  That doesn't get you anywhere, you know.  It just makes you look immature and foolish that you are mocking other adults, especially since they are Christians.  I realize you and I haven't really spoken much, other than the Indian threads, but I couldn't sit back and not take up for friends who do not deserve to be called those names.  Thank you.

It's me and Mackenzie he's singled out.........not Sherene.  Thank you for your words

Yes, sorry about that.  I had just gone in to modify it when your post popped in.  I did go ahead and change it.  Hang in there!!!   

[shernajwine]

Annella is a strong lady! Love you 

[Annella]

 Walksalone,  I can't stay passive on this, even though I did try.  I wish you would not call Annella and Sherna those sarcastic names when you talk to them.  I thought you were a mature adult who could debate and converse without including the name calling.  That doesn't get you anywhere, you know.  It just makes you look immature and foolish that you are mocking other adults, especially since they are Christians.  I realize you and I haven't really spoken much, other than the Indian threads, but I couldn't sit back and not take up for friends who do not deserve to be called those names.  Thank you.

It's me and Mackenzie he's singled out.........not Sherene.  Thank you for your words

Yes, sorry about that.  I had just gone in to modify it when your post popped in.  I did go ahead and change it.  Hang in there!!!  

Annella is a strong lady! Love you 

 

[roguetodd]

I'm glad i spur on much more dignified ways of conversing with each other. lol