Religion and Homosexuality

[queenofnines]

Do we have gays as slaves? Do we have separate restaurants for gays? Separate schools? You're stretching it.

Uh, well many have to FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES simply for being gay; I think that's a pretty big deal, don't you?  They're not allowed to commit and get legal benefits with the one they love in most states...again, HUGE deal.  They're not allowed to serve in the military.  So many people hate them simply for being attracted to the same sex.

You don't have to go through any of this.  So what am I stretching?

[SurveyMack10]

Do we have gays as slaves? Do we have separate restaurants for gays? Separate schools? You're stretching it.

Uh, well many have to FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES simply for being gay; I think that's a pretty big deal, don't you?  They're not allowed to commit and get legal benefits with the one they love in most states...again, HUGE deal.  They're not allowed to serve in the military.  So many people hate them simply for being attracted to the same sex.

You don't have to go through any of this.  So what am I stretching?

Before I go any further I would like to say whether or not I go through any of this wasn't even the question because I'm not black or gay haha, which is the two things we were disputing. but anyway...
If we're talking about religious people disagreeing with gays, in my religion if you follow it correctly whether you disagree with it or not you will love the person...so if someone does something different it's not because of their religion it's because of their personal feelings.  You can't blame someone's religion for every action they make. They can't get married because marriage is defined as being with the opposite sex. The military thing is a don't ask don't tell situation. And people hate others for everything. I live in a dorm that is predominantly black, some of them hate me just for being white and make comments about it, others give me a hug and a wave every time I see them. It would be great if there was absolutely no hate in the world, but too many people disagree for that to happen. Just because I disagree with gays doesn't mean I hate them, so you can't say that we are all gay bashers just for disagreeing. Furthermore, considering it's a choice it doesn't compare to someone's skin color.

[Annella]

Do we have gays as slaves? Do we have separate restaurants for gays? Separate schools? You're stretching it.

Uh, well many have to FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES simply for being gay; I think that's a pretty big deal, don't you?  They're not allowed to commit and get legal benefits with the one they love in most states...again, HUGE deal.  They're not allowed to serve in the military.  So many people hate them simply for being attracted to the same sex.

You don't have to go through any of this.  So what am I stretching?

Before I go any further I would like to say whether or not I go through any of this wasn't even the question because I'm not black or gay haha, which is the two things we were disputing. but anyway...
If we're talking about religious people disagreeing with gays, in my religion if you follow it correctly whether you disagree with it or not you will love the person...so if someone does something different it's not because of their religion it's because of their personal feelings.  You can't blame someone's religion for every action they make. They can't get married because marriage is defined as being with the opposite sex. The military thing is a don't ask don't tell situation. And people hate others for everything. I live in a dorm that is predominantly black, some of them hate me just for being white and make comments about it, others give me a hug and a wave every time I see them. It would be great if there was absolutely no hate in the world, but too many people disagree for that to happen. Just because I disagree with gays doesn't mean I hate them, so you can't say that we are all gay bashers just for disagreeing. Furthermore, considering it's a choice it doesn't compare to someone's skin color.

Not 1 Christian on this forum has said they hate gays......although they've been accused of it.  Not 1 Christian on this forum has gay bashed....although they've been accused of it.

Your right M, disagreement and hate are totally different.

[queenofnines]

You can't blame someone's religion for every action they make. They can't get married because marriage is defined as being with the opposite sex.

Hmm, I'm pretty sure a country of 72% Christians has something to do with this.

The military thing is a don't ask don't tell situation.

You brush off such a serious thing so casually.  Sure there are gays in the military...but they have to hide who they are.  If they're found out, they get kicked out and lose their whole livelihood.  Big, big deal here.

considering it's a choice it doesn't compare to someone's skin color.

I really don't understand how people can think it's a choice.  There are plenty of males that I'm not attracted to...and never, ever would be.  Does that make me a lesbian?

[queenofnines]

Not 1 Christian on this forum has said they hate gays......although they've been accused of it.  Not 1 Christian on this forum has gay bashed....although they've been accused of it.

Ms. Annella, you really need to be careful with your habit of speaking on behalf of others.  I have seen a Christian on here say, "Fags need to get back in the closet where they f*cking belong!"

Needless to say, I told THEM to get their homophobic butt back in the closet. 

[Annella]

Not 1 Christian on this forum has said they hate gays......although they've been accused of it.  Not 1 Christian on this forum has gay bashed....although they've been accused of it.

Ms. Annella, you really need to be careful with your habit of speaking on behalf of others.  I have seen a Christian on here say, "Fags need to get back in the closet where they f*cking belong!"

Needless to say, I told THEM to get their homophobic butt back in the closet.  

If your talking about Marieelissa, uh.....that's a questionable source of true Christianity.  The poor girl needs help and is probably doing the best she can.  I believe she's endeavoring to be a Christian.

As far as a habit....I can think of worse ones.  Not everyone that calls themselves a Christian have the "fruits" of one.  The Christian body on this forum is pretty much in agreement with one another.  If not, they are certainly welcome to say so.

[SurveyMack10]

You can't blame someone's religion for every action they make. They can't get married because marriage is defined as being with the opposite sex.

Hmm, I'm pretty sure a country of 72% Christians has something to do with this.

The military thing is a don't ask don't tell situation.

You brush off such a serious thing so casually.  Sure there are gays in the military...but they have to hide who they are.  If they're found out, they get kicked out and lose their whole livelihood.  Big, big deal here.

considering it's a choice it doesn't compare to someone's skin color.

I really don't understand how people can think it's a choice.  There are plenty of males that I'm not attracted to...and never, ever would be.  Does that make me a lesbian?

Marriage was defined a long time ago, but go ahead and blame Christianity for every single thing ha.
I'm not brushing it off, I'm stating what it is.
And not being attracted to a certain male is EXTREMELY different than being attracted to females.

[SurveyMack10]

Not 1 Christian on this forum has said they hate gays......although they've been accused of it.  Not 1 Christian on this forum has gay bashed....although they've been accused of it.

Ms. Annella, you really need to be careful with your habit of speaking on behalf of others.  I have seen a Christian on here say, "Fags need to get back in the closet where they f*cking belong!"

Needless to say, I told THEM to get their homophobic butt back in the closet. 

I have been on this thread the whole time, I must have missed that?

[Falconer02]

and even his reverence for his Maker, all were early inculcated in him by precepts which were the common practice in decent society the world over.

I don't understand how this makes him a full-blooded christian...almost every source points to him being a deist (simply acknowledging, respecting, and occasionally praising a divine designer instead of worshipping the defined christian god and the bible). And practically every account of him talking of christianity can leave one very skeptical of what he truly meant. I've read the book 1776 just to gather information on the war and they actually included a chunk about Washingtons beliefs and every source I've read online that isn't christian aligns to him being this way. It pretty much stated the same as this-
http://ezinearticles.com/?Was-George-Washington-a-Christian,-Or-Not?--Conclusive-Evidence!&id=1684534

But understand this entire arguments point was to just show Annella that it's very debatable to say GW was a devout christian- the opposite is actually more plausable. All in all, we should take that articles 2nd sentence to heart and focus on his accomplishments.

Roman rule vs Christians is another good example.

Thx for the reply, Annella. I'll get back to you later as I'm falling asleep here.

I have been on this thread the whole time, I must have missed that?

There is a 99% chance she deleted it as she does all offensive posts. Like the one of her wishing me dead! lol

[SurveyMack10]

There is a 99% chance she deleted it as she does all offensive posts. Like the one of her wishing me dead! lol

Ah, very good point! hah.

[jcribb16]

Quote from jcribb:
and even his reverence for his Maker, all were early inculcated in him by precepts which were the common practice in decent society the world over.

Quote from Falconer:
I don't understand how this makes him a full-blooded christian...almost every source points to him being a deist (simply acknowledging, respecting, and occasionally praising a divine designer instead of worshipping the defined christian god and the bible). And practically every account of him talking of christianity can leave one very skeptical of what he truly meant. I've read the book 1776 just to gather information on the war and they actually included a chunk about Washingtons beliefs and every source I've read online that isn't christian aligns to him being this way. It pretty much stated the same as this-
http://ezinearticles.com/?Was-George-Washington-a-Christian,-Or-Not?--Conclusive-Evidence!&id=1684534

But understand this entire arguments point was to just show Annella that it's very debatable to say GW was a devout christian- the opposite is actually more plausable. All in all, we should take that articles 2nd sentence to heart and focus on his accomplishments.

I didn't say it made him a "full-blooded" Christian!  Just accept the facts as they are that he had some kind of fellowship with his Lord aka Maker aka Creator, etc. and was exemplary in his character, for the most part, and was popular enough for citizens to have wanted him to be president again, and the last time, he had to say no for health and other reasons.  Good grief, people do like to make mountains out of mole hills.....

[Annella]

Or dissect every word or phrase.  Yup

[shernajwine]

Or dissect every word or phrase.  Yup

LOL

[queenofnines]

If your talking about Marieelissa, uh.....that's a questionable source of true Christianity.

No I wasn't.  I didn't want to name names, but it's not marieelissa.

[queenofnines]

Just accept the facts as they are that he had some kind of fellowship with his Lord aka Maker aka Creator, etc. and was exemplary in his character, for the most part

I don't know WHY you've guys run with this for as long as you have.  It makes no difference WHAT people from 200+ years ago believed.  Your pals from back then were also very pro-slavery; should we bring that back??  It is our roots and in the Bible, after all!

And Mack, definitions for things change all the time.  Women used to not be allowed to vote, interracial marriage was frowned upon, etc.  It's called progression.