Religion and Homosexuality

[shernajwine]

I'm just seeing people taking things in the wrong tone.

Annella is strong worded but she really hasn't said anything different than me or any other Christian who posted about this topic. If that means we are all a-holes, I guess you are entitled to think that walks. 

[walksalone11]

There's a big difference in disagreeing with a lifestyle and condemning it. I don't agree with gays, doesn't mean if I see them in the street I'm going to discriminate against them or treat them differently at all. I think that's the point Annella is trying to make. Believing it is wrong is totally different than showing hate instead of love.

GHEEEZ.... are you really going to make me agree with you?
OK....***deep breath..........exhale*** you are right. If you think it is wrong, then you shouldnt do it, however, this brings great turmoil to those who have been trained to believing it is wrong but have these tendencies, none the less. However, none of us has any right dictating to anyone else what to believe or how to live our lives as long as we are not hurting others in the process.

[Annella]

Okay, I said I wasn't going to post to you anymore, but here it is AGAIN.....One more time!

Rome=Catholism....of which I'm not for the umpteenth time.  I have every right as anyone else on this forum to post what I believe or not.  You certainly do.

You didn't like my saying if you don't like the religious freedom you or others have here, then move to a country where they have none, or change places with a believer who lived in one, and would love anything to live in the US and enjoy the freedom of religion we have?  Where they have to hide underground to worship God, and can't do so openly?  It's got nothing to do with a superior mindset.   I'm talking about the freedoms we take for granted and trample under our feet, thinking nothing about it.

If it goes against the Word of God....I'm against it also.   Disagreeing with what is Biblical sin in any lifestyle, whether it be lying, stealing, incest, homosexuality, etc., is not intolerant.  It's sin and disagreeable to me because it goes against the Word of God.  That does not make me intolerant.  Your making me sound like I hate gays, and that is not true.  This has been hassled through on so many other threads, and the argument is getting old.  I love everybody, but disagree with sin.  I won't sugar coat it or waffle on it.  It's an iron clad belief.

Religious freedom? are you seriously that ignorant of fact??? or do you agree with the fact that many many of the original inhabitants of this land are prohibited by federal statutes from possesing some of our spiritual items or in fact participating in some of our traditional spiritual ceremonies???

Here we go

[Annella]

Whenever it gets to the name calling stage, that's when you don't have anything intelligent to add or post. 

[walksalone11]

I'm just seeing people taking things in the wrong tone.

Annella is strong worded but she really hasn't said anything different than me or any other Christian who posted about this topic. If that means we are all a-holes, I guess you are entitled to think that walks. 

Ok Mrs. Shernajwine, point taken. I am no great speaker and am very often mis-understood, so I accept that there is the possibility that I may mis understand her.

As for you......naaaa, you are pretty transparent as far as I can see and although I have seen you get your feathers ruffed on occasion, as we all do, for the most part you are very understandable.

[shernajwine]

Well I appreciate that you don't think that of me 

[walksalone11]

Whenever it gets to the name calling stage, that's when you don't have anything intelligent to add or post. 

What a *bleep* cop out, speaking of a loss for words that wont makes us look unfavorable......who has called anyone any names?

[walksalone11]

Well I appreciate that you don't think that of me 

No actually I dont. Of course there are some things we dont agree on but so what? I have yet to see you trying to force your beliefs on anyone else. I have seen you attempt( very successfully) to illustrate your beliefs tho and actually I think that is admirable.
I am intrigued by you as a matter of fact.......I have always heard of this tolerant loving ETC Christian, but until you came here, it was like the unicorn.....I had never seen one.

I have given this some thought and have decided, that if all Christians we as tolerant of others as you, Christianity could live up to some of the hype that most adherents subscribe to it, and maybe we could have a world of diversity as well as tolerance for others......have you ever considered pursuing a position within the clergy?

[Annella]

Whenever it gets to the name calling stage, that's when you don't have anything intelligent to add or post.  

What a *bleep* cop out, speaking of a loss for words that wont makes us look unfavorable......who has called anyone any names?

I'm out....but not down by any means.  Do you actually don't know what you said

[shernajwine]

Well I appreciate that you don't think that of me 

No actually I dont. Of course there are some things we dont agree on but so what? I have yet to see you trying to force your beliefs on anyone else. I have seen you attempt( very successfully) to illustrate your beliefs tho and actually I think that is admirable.
I am intrigued by you as a matter of fact.......I have always heard of this tolerant loving ETC Christian, but until you came here, it was like the unicorn.....I had never seen one.

I have given this some thought and have decided, that if all Christians we as tolerant of others as you, Christianity could live up to some of the hype that most adherents subscribe to it, and maybe we could have a world of diversity as well as tolerance for others......have you ever considered pursuing a position within the clergy?

Walks, you flatter me too much. I have actually appalled myself at times for getting flustered and saying things (or typing I guess) in a manner that I'm not proud of. But I let my posts stand and deal with the repercussions.

Anyhow, I get really nervous with public speaking so I'm not nearly as effective at making a point to groups of people face to face. I do serve in my church ministries, but mostly I just try to let my life be an example of Christ in me. And be encouraged, there is a whole church full of people who believe how I believe and it's my church's sole reason for existing to get the message out purely through our own acts of love. Not street corner rallies, or public tv broadcasts, or door to door harassment.  And my church is a branch of another church that is in Houston Texas, which is a branch of another church in another state (I can't remember specifically).

I'm only one of many many many people who believe and try to act according to that belief.

[walksalone11]

Well I appreciate that you don't think that of me 

No actually I dont. Of course there are some things we dont agree on but so what? I have yet to see you trying to force your beliefs on anyone else. I have seen you attempt( very successfully) to illustrate your beliefs tho and actually I think that is admirable.
I am intrigued by you as a matter of fact.......I have always heard of this tolerant loving ETC Christian, but until you came here, it was like the unicorn.....I had never seen one.

I have given this some thought and have decided, that if all Christians we as tolerant of others as you, Christianity could live up to some of the hype that most adherents subscribe to it, and maybe we could have a world of diversity as well as tolerance for others......have you ever considered pursuing a position within the clergy?

Walks, you flatter me too much. I have actually appalled myself at times for getting flustered and saying things (or typing I guess) in a manner that I'm not proud of. But I let my posts stand and deal with the repercussions.

Anyhow, I get really nervous with public speaking so I'm not nearly as effective at making a point to groups of people face to face. I do serve in my church ministries, but mostly I just try to let my life be an example of Christ in me. And be encouraged, there is a whole church full of people who believe how I believe and it's my church's sole reason for existing to get the message out purely through our own acts of love. Not street corner rallies, or public tv broadcasts, or door to door harassment.  And my church is a branch of another church that is in Houston Texas, which is a branch of another church in another state (I can't remember specifically).

I'm only one of many many many people who believe and try to act according to that belief.

As I said earlier, our individual spiritualities do not agree on several key issues, however, considering what has been the status-quo of the institution of Christianity, with yours.....I am impressed.

No, you can't convert me, but, please, stay the course.

[shernajwine]

No, you can't convert me.

LOL, I wouldn't dare!! 

[walksalone11]

Whenever it gets to the name calling stage, that's when you don't have anything intelligent to add or post.  

What a *bleep* cop out, speaking of a loss for words that wont makes us look unfavorable......who has called anyone any names?

I'm out....but not down by any means.  Do you actually don't know what you said

Yes, I said "are you that ignorant of the fact" now I can and in fact will rephrase that to "are you that un-informed of the fact. However I know that wont make any difference to you and by default you have answered my question as to whether you support freedom of religion....but only for those who subscribe to your brand of religion.

[amyrouse]

Someone who is born blind didn't make a choice that made them enter the world blind.

Ok...so...they were born that way...isn't it possible that people were born "other" ways, as well? 

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I also have to say, though, that though there are misunderstandings and disagreements, that I do not see Annella in a negative light.  She and I differ vastly on some of the things we believe, but I have always found her to be loving in her disagreements with me.  We have come together through a debate to the other side still with  and it is very difficult to find that these days with people of differing faiths.  I see so many times people who say "...but I don't agree with your religion" without taking the time to really know what that religion entails, and from the start with me Annella asked questions of me about my faith in an effort to garner a better understanding of who I am.  She may be more conservative in her faith than I, and her words may be viewed as harsh, and I may not agree with her, but I still have nothing but  .

[shernajwine]

Ok...so...they were born that way...isn't it possible that people were born "other" ways, as well

If by "other" you mean gay. Blindness, deafness, and any other abnormal birth defect is not a sin to God. Homosexuality is a lifestyle, these other things are handicaps and in some birth defect cases, doctors can fix or partially fix the defect so the person can live a more normal life. And I'm sure that gay people would not like having their lifestyle compared to a handicap or abnormality of the human body and condition!

Do I think it's abnormal? Yes but a choice they made to be that way. But for someone who thinks it isn't a choice, I think you may have implied something a little insulting the people you are trying to defend.