Religion and Homosexuality

[Peds]

I have a question and I was wondering if someone who knows the Bible inside and out could answer it for me:

Why are there religious groups that say "God hates fags"? If God created humans and didn't want any of them to be gay why did he make some of them gay? And if you believe that homosexuality is a choice why did he give humans the ability to choose to be gay?

[sigmapi1501]

I'm interested in this as well. I have found on other forums and talking to some Christian friends that it is considered sin because it's an abomination.  Because men with men isn't how God intended us to be.  He intended man with woman.

As far as theories why... Population cannot grow.  Your butt can't get pregnant. 
Waaaayyyyy back in the day, Catholics needed their numbers to grow. Therefore they came up with the idea that birth control was evil. Same concept with homosexuality. If you can't breed, population can't grow. if population doesn't grow tithes stop coming in.

[TimeforGod]

God's Wrath Against Mankind
 18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
 21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

 24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

 28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Romans !

[queenofnines]

Why are there religious groups that say "God hates fags"?

Because there are many, many verses in the Bible that disapprove of it:

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. -- Leviticus 18:22

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. -- Leviticus 20:13

Thou shalt not bring the hire of a *bleep*, or the price of a dog [homosexual], into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God. -- Deuteronomy 23:18

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. -- Jude 7

Nevermind the fact that the Average Christian ignores HUNDREDS of other commandments from the Bible.  They just want an excuse to be prejudiced, and that's why they emphasize Scriptures like these.  In 10 years when same-sex marriage is legalized in all states, religious people will be FORCED to *change their doctrine* like they had to for black people a few decades back.

If God created humans and didn't want any of them to be gay why did he make some of them gay?

The Christian god doesn't exist because something that is perfect (god) cannot create something that is imperfect or has the ability to become imperfect (humans).  It is a logical fallacy.  Homosexuality is just an aspect of nature.

[timelord40]

First off, God love all  but being the creator of life or the maker  he require certain things.    The questions do we respect his authority or rebel like satan

[queenofnines]

Something that is perfect can create something that is imperfect...

Uh, do you not know what the definition of "perfect" is? 

[insert Christian excuse of how god's version of "perfect" is not man's]

...this type of response is making broad assertions and assumptions without a shred of evidence. 

Perfect = incapable of creating something that's imperfect, CASE CLOSED.  Therefore, the Christian god (or any other god that's supposed to be perfect) doesn't exist.

[shernajwine]

God created men with free will. He did not create evil, but man has a choice to engage in evil or engage in good. Homosexuality is a choice just like any other behavior. However, God does not hate homosexuals, nor does he hate any person period. He loves people, he hates sin.

CASE CLOSED

[walksalone11]

Some of the longer term members have seen this before but for the benefit of the newbies......
In my culture(Tsalagi) homosexuals or as we say, two spirits are very respected and are thought to have a deeper spiritual connection. We know that just as one doesn't one day decide they will be a medicine person neither does one choose to be two spirited. Not everyone is gifted in these ways.

I just cant wrap my mind around the intolerance....if they aren't grabbing your *bleep* or victimizing your relations, why do you care so much?

[pat2010]

I guess when we pass on we shall see where we go. 

[queenofnines]

So queenofnines...what is perfect? Nothing, perfect doesn't exist!...God therefore fits the bill of perfection!

Haha, you said it - not me!   

[queenofnines]

It is not hard to see that all of you atheists have so much pain and grief and comes through so eloquently in your writing.

Yes, keep telling yourself that to cover for your own insecurity of there not being a god.  "If I can keep rambling off a claim with unrelenting persistence, that MUST mean it's true!"  There is a god there is a god there is a god *rocks self in the corner* there is a god...

[queenofnines]

God created men with free will. He did not create evil, but man has a choice to engage in evil or engage in good.

You say god did not create evil, eh?  So evil came from *gulp* nothing?!  Haha, just had to throw that joke in there.  

But seriously, how can you say god is the creator of all things, EXCEPT evil?  Did he not create Lucifer?  Yes, yes he did.  In any case, god allows evil - a great deal of it - as part of his f-ed up "plan" or test for the world.  If god was truly omnipotent, he would have surely come up with a better plan than this.  If god was truly omnibenevolent, he would not be able to stand for evil at all (even temporary evil, as you Christians claim).

All I'm doing by saying stuff like "case closed" is pointing out that y'all can't change the definitions of words to suit your own purposes.  If a god exists, he is certainly NOT perfect, because perfect cannot encompass any flaws, and life as we know it can be very flawed indeed.  If a god exists, he is also none of the omnis I described above.

[queenofnines]

If, If, If....that's all I hear...If God was this, If God was that, If God knew, then why, If God can, then why....all I know is all these answers have to be answered by God himself....I can't speak for God, I can't act like I know his reasons, it is beyond our understanding.

Classic cop-out.  I'm really tired of hearing this one.  When logic eats your god alive, just justify the whole thing by asserting that god is mysterious or beyond our comprehension!

You don't have to make excuses for imaginary beings, you know.

[jordandog]

I can't speak for God, I can't act like I know his reasons

Then stop doing it because evidence of your saying what he will do to atheists and others and why he will do it is all over these forums!

[jordandog]

I can't speak for God, I can't act like I know his reasons

Then stop doing it because evidence of your saying what he will do to atheists and others and why he will do it is all over these forums!

It is in the bible...there is a difference.

No, there isn't 'a difference' when you use your interpretation of the bible.