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« Reply #60 on: August 13, 2010, 11:28:14 pm »
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"Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock." Psalms 137:9 NAB
The context of Psalm 137 is the Babylonian captivity.  The Psalmist speaks of the captors tormenting the people of God. The Psalmist is in exile and had probably witnessed the atrocities committed against his people, babies included.  In the revenge-style that was so common at the time, he wishes the same upon his enemy as a description of their utter destruction.  Nowhere does it say that God approves of the Psalmist’s request or that he fulfilled it.  Just because it is recorded that the Psalmist wrote the imprecation, doesn’t mean it was approved by God.

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Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (King James Version)
In the Old Testament God appears harsh for three reasons. First, it was to demonstrate the exacting requirements of the Law, a perfect and demanding standard. Second, it ultimately demonstrates the need for grace that would eventually be manifested on the cross. Third, should rebellion take root the very heart of the gospel would be at risk since the prophecies of the Messiah coming to and through Israel could be undermined should rebellion become rampant and society fall apart causing the prophecies to fail. Therefore, we can conclude that this harsh requirement was a necessary legality to instill and designate the necessity of family order and respect and to ultimately provide another safeguard that would ensure the sacrifice of Christ.

If you bothered to research the meaning of the scriptures and not just take it out of context to mock it, you wouldn't appear as ignorant.
Looks like the laws of tyranny to me. I suggest you dump the king james version, it's too corrupted. This is my translation of g-d it's laws... g-d=cat=mouse=cat playing/tormenting mouse=injured mouse=dead mouse.

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Re: Favorite Bible Quotes
« Reply #61 on: August 13, 2010, 11:31:33 pm »
The biggie for Jews:
Sh'ma Yisrael, Adonai Eloheinu, Adonai Echad

Hear, O Israel! Adonai is our G-d, Adonai is one. (Deuteronomy 6:4)

and one of my personal favs, from Exodus, when Moses parted the Red Sea:
Mi chamocha, ba'elim, Adonai? Mi kamocha, nedar bakodesh, nora tehilot, osei feleh? Shira chadasha shib'chu ge'ulim le'shimcha al s'fat hayam; Yachad kulam hodu ve'himlichu ve'amru: "Adonai yimloch le'olam va'ed."

Who is like you, Adonai, among other gods? Who is like you, glorious in holiness, awesome in praises, doing miracles? With a new song, the ones You rescued praised Your name at the sea shore. All of them in unison gave thanks and praised Your rule, and said:  "Adonai will reign for ever and ever."


What strikes me the most about these two prayers, though, is that they never mention G-d being the only god...but that G-d is the only one we should worship.  Check out the Ten Commandments...Thou shalt not have any other gods before me...
I recall, g-d stating, I am a JEALOUS  g-d.... thou shalt not have any other gods b/for me.... Isn't that a HUMAN FLAWED TRAIT?

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Re: Favorite Bible Quotes
« Reply #62 on: August 13, 2010, 11:46:56 pm »
I recall, g-d stating, I am a JEALOUS  g-d.... thou shalt not have any other gods b/for me.... Isn't that a HUMAN FLAWED TRAIT?

I tend to agree with you there.  I can't help but wonder just how flawed g-d is...we're made in g-d's image, and if you take a good hard look at the world and the bad things that happen...you have to wonder why a kind and loving figure would allow those things to happen.  The g-d I believe in is far from perfect.  I've had numerous discussions with my Rabbi on the topic, and his words were along the lines of if g-d plays an active role in the world and is supposedly perfect, then g-d has a lot of explaining to do.  When our parents do and say things that we don't understand and seem unfair, we expect an explanation.  Why wouldn't we expect the same from the ultimate parental figure?

If you take a look at other religions...especially looking at the ancient Greek and Roman gods, they were all imperfect and specialized.  Makes more sense logically than one being that is all powerful and perfect.  If you take a look at those you seek guidance from in life...the heroes and assorted others we look up to, none are perfect.  Makes it easier to swallow what they say.  For example...if I were to go to someone at work and ask for advice, I'd rather seek out someone who has gone through and made the same mistakes I have than someone who has no personal experience and performed everything to perfection.  Figures who are perfect often annoy us, and we tend to rebel from what they say.  I prefer believing that g-d has made mistakes (as evidenced in the Tanakh (or Old Testament)) than believing that the g-d who said and did these offensive things knew exactly what they were doing/saying and did so in perfection.



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Re: Favorite Bible Quotes
« Reply #63 on: August 14, 2010, 04:28:01 pm »
The doctrine that God is a jealous God comes from the Old Testament books of the law of Moses. The "jealousy" is always in the context of idol worship, beginning in the Ten Commandments of Exodus 20.
(Exodus 20:5)(Exodus 34:14)(Deuteronomy 4:24)(Deuteronomy 5:9)(Deuteronomy 6:15)


What these five verses have in common is that they all share the same Hebrew adjective, qannâ'  qanna (Strong's H7067) (Strong's H7067),5 translated with the English word "jealous." The interesting thing about this word is that it is only used in reference to God. In no instance is the word qannâ' used to describe human jealousy. The reason that God is "jealous" is because He wants people to choose to love Him.6 Jesus said that the most important commandment was to love God.7 God does not want us to waste out time worshipping pretend gods that do not exist.8

Jealousy is often thought of as being a negative trait. So, many people think that the Bible's description of God as jealous means that He must be a divine hypocrite. However, this page has shown that in the original languages in which the Bible is written, the words do not have those negative definitions. Since the word used to describe the jealousy of God is not even the same word used to describe human jealousy, it is clear that the apparent contradiction is just a result of an inability of the translated language (English) to accurately reflect the original language (Hebrew). There is no slight on the character of God in the original language.


These are just portions of statements made on the website I linked to. God is not flawed, He is absolutely perfect.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/jealous_god.html


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« Reply #64 on: August 14, 2010, 05:13:43 pm »
The doctrine that God is a jealous God comes from the Old Testament books of the law of Moses. The "jealousy" is always in the context of idol worship, beginning in the Ten Commandments of Exodus 20.
(Exodus 20:5)(Exodus 34:14)(Deuteronomy 4:24)(Deuteronomy 5:9)(Deuteronomy 6:15)


What these five verses have in common is that they all share the same Hebrew adjective, qannâ'  qanna (Strong's H7067) (Strong's H7067),5 translated with the English word "jealous." The interesting thing about this word is that it is only used in reference to God. In no instance is the word qannâ' used to describe human jealousy. The reason that God is "jealous" is because He wants people to choose to love Him.6 Jesus said that the most important commandment was to love God.7 God does not want us to waste out time worshipping pretend gods that do not exist.8

Jealousy is often thought of as being a negative trait. So, many people think that the Bible's description of God as jealous means that He must be a divine hypocrite. However, this page has shown that in the original languages in which the Bible is written, the words do not have those negative definitions. Since the word used to describe the jealousy of God is not even the same word used to describe human jealousy, it is clear that the apparent contradiction is just a result of an inability of the translated language (English) to accurately reflect the original language (Hebrew). There is no slight on the character of God in the original language.


These are just portions of statements made on the website I linked to. God is not flawed, He is absolutely perfect.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/jealous_god.html

Absolutely perfect explanation and interpretation!

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Re: Favorite Bible Quotes
« Reply #65 on: August 14, 2010, 05:27:17 pm »
The biggie for Jews:
Sh'ma Yisrael, Adonai Eloheinu, Adonai Echad

Hear, O Israel! Adonai is our G-d, Adonai is one. (Deuteronomy 6:4)

and one of my personal favs, from Exodus, when Moses parted the Red Sea:
Mi chamocha, ba'elim, Adonai? Mi kamocha, nedar bakodesh, nora tehilot, osei feleh? Shira chadasha shib'chu ge'ulim le'shimcha al s'fat hayam; Yachad kulam hodu ve'himlichu ve'amru: "Adonai yimloch le'olam va'ed."

Who is like you, Adonai, among other gods? Who is like you, glorious in holiness, awesome in praises, doing miracles? With a new song, the ones You rescued praised Your name at the sea shore. All of them in unison gave thanks and praised Your rule, and said:  "Adonai will reign for ever and ever."


What strikes me the most about these two prayers, though, is that they never mention G-d being the only god...but that G-d is the only one we should worship.  Check out the Ten Commandments...Thou shalt not have any other gods before me...
I recall, g-d stating, I am a JEALOUS  g-d.... thou shalt not have any other gods b/for me.... Isn't that a HUMAN FLAWED TRAIT?

I also believe Deuteronomy 6:4 as there being only one God.  You seem to be against much of what is written (positively) about God, but your extremely careful to spell God as G-d, which is a sign of upmost respect among the Jews.  The title of God is not to be used lightly and should remain forever, and since this forum or any other posting can be deleted you denote God's name with G-d.  This is not a slam of you doing this, just an observation. While I respect that aspect of your posting (highly respect it), I don't understand why your belittling His attributes as being flawed.

If you have such reverence with typing the Name of God as G-d, why do you have such negative things to say about Him?  You quote one God scriptures which implies the teaching of the One God doctrine, but belittle His traits and character.......I don't understand.  I have a lot of Jewish friends, but none are conflicted in their belief like this.

I'm not trying to say anything negative here about you, just puzzled.
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Re: Favorite Bible Quotes
« Reply #66 on: August 14, 2010, 06:42:12 pm »
I'm not conflicted in my belief: I am realistic. 

Atheists claim there is an issue with g-d being perfect.  I agree.  If you walk into a room with four Jews, you have five different Judaisms.  Judaism may not be branched off the way Christianity is, but as a people we have varying beliefs.  Many Jews are not even religious. 

By claiming that g-d is imperfect, I am not belittling g-d's character.  I love g-d, flaws and all. 



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« Reply #67 on: August 14, 2010, 07:19:01 pm »
.......I don't understand.  I have a lot of Jewish friends, but none are conflicted in their belief like this.

I'm not trying to say anything negative here about you, just puzzled.

I posted my reply about my supposedly being conflicted and belittling g-d.  The more I thought about it, though, the more this statement above bothered me.  You have a lot of Jewish friends, but I'm different than them, so you're puzzled?  Don't you realize how offensive that sounds?  That is the religious equivalent of "I'm not racist; I have black friends, and none of them are drug dealers."   :angry7:



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« Reply #68 on: August 14, 2010, 07:54:29 pm »
.......I don't understand.  I have a lot of Jewish friends, but none are conflicted in their belief like this.

I'm not trying to say anything negative here about you, just puzzled.

I posted my reply about my supposedly being conflicted and belittling g-d.  The more I thought about it, though, the more this statement above bothered me.  You have a lot of Jewish friends, but I'm different than them, so you're puzzled?  Don't you realize how offensive that sounds?  That is the religious equivalent of "I'm not racist; I have black friends, and none of them are drug dealers."   :angry7:

Okay, I obviously offended you through ignorance.  Was not my intention at all.  I lived in Israel for about 3 months around Passover.  I was astounded how much  Jews "lived" their belief.  I was ashamed of the fact that we as professing Christians are put to shame by the Jews outward fervency to serve God.  I would spend hours down at the wailing wall and watch their dedication in their prayers.  Some went 3 times a day.  I've been to the institute of studies, and saw how important the Torah was to them, and the reverence they took concerning it.  Everything about their life is centered around Adonai.  It touched me deeply, and put me to shame.

A friend of mine explained why Jews write God as G-d.  It's a sign of the highest respect and adoration, and that the word God should remain forever.  A Rabbi invited me for Passover, and I'll never forget it.  It lasted for hours, but seemed such a short time for me.  It was most revealing to me.  I can understand why God calls the Jews His chosen people.  The Land of Israel is blessed because of the dedication and foundation to commit all things to Adonai.

I'm so sorry, I was trying to understand some things and made a mess of it......sigh, I seem to be making more apology's lately.  No more questions.  I simply asked the wrong person.
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Re: Favorite Bible Quotes
« Reply #69 on: August 14, 2010, 08:24:24 pm »
I'm not conflicted in my belief: I am realistic.  

Atheists claim there is an issue with g-d being perfect.  I agree.  If you walk into a room with four Jews, you have five different Judaisms.  Judaism may not be branched off the way Christianity is, but as a people we have varying beliefs.  Many Jews are not even religious.  

By claiming that g-d is imperfect, I am not belittling g-d's character.  I love g-d, flaws and all.  

Actually I was addressing trantrica44, but that's okay....lol   Yes, I know many Jews are not religious.  the questions I'm asking are interest, nothing more.  So how I understand it, is that you all believe the Old Testament (Torah), but there are differences in interpretation of portions of The Law, handed down to Moses, and the Hebrew children in the desert?  I know there are different beliefs among the different "sects" concerning dietary laws, dress, etc.  Could this be because you all were scattered all over the world, and are now gathering back to Israel?  However, you all believe in the study of the Torah as a whole....right?

Sorry, if I'm asking to much, but I'm honestly interested.  You all believe in the Sabbath, Passover, ect......right?  So the difference is broken down of those beliefs of the Old Testament Law, and how it's interpreted?  So that's how the different Judaism's come from?  When I was in Israel, I saw some men have those "furry" hats.  I asked about those, and was told that they were worn because of some 3rd country ruler who made the Jews wear them for a sick joke, to poke fun at them.  Now........it has become a symbol of pride and recognition for that particular sect of Jews.

Everything about your race interests me.  I'm going to be studying the Old Testament from a Rabbi myself, and looking forward to it.  In order to really understand what is written, I have to understand the times and customs of the day, and the time which they lived, which is just barely touching what can be revealed.  


I am actually a convert, and am young in my religion.  ;)

I can tell you what I believe, but I promise it won't be universal.  Basically, though, in order to really understand the times and customs of the day, you'd need a good background in Hebrew, and even then things are conflicting, since the Torah was written without vowels.  The Torah is actually just the first five books of the OT, and, in its entirety, we call it the Tanakh.  We also study rabbinic writings; many modern Rabbis quote Moses Maimonides quite a bit as he is one of the most popular when it comes to study.  

The major holidays are Shabbat, Pesach, Rosh Hashana, and Yom Kippur.  Many Jews will only attend temple on the High Holy days (Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur), and others celebrate all the holidays.  Interesting fact, though, is that Hanukkah is not a major holiday; it is not even in the Tanakh.  It is actually in the Book of Maccabees and was instituted as a result of the religious tolerance movement in making sure that all religions are celebrated during the Christmas holiday season.  The most important thing to remember, though about all Jewish holidays is these seven all-encompassing words: they attacked us, we won, let's eat.

When it comes to language, something I've been noticing on the boards are the misuses of g-d's name.  Hashem is not g-d's name; it is actually translated to The Name.  G-d's name is actually referred to as tetragrammaton, meaning literally "four letters", the Hebrew letters Yod Hey Vav Hey.  It is often translated as "to be" or "I am."  There are no vowels, and there is no pronunciation...I repeat...No pronunciation for this.  The pronunciation was lost during the destruction of the temple.  The tetragrammaton is not translated as Yehovah, or Jehovah...that word was created by taking the vowels from the word "Adonai" meaning my ruler and placing those vowels on the tetragrammaton.  There are, if I am remembering the number correctly, 72 names for g-d.  This makes it difficult, IMO, to take g-d's name in vain, since we actually do not know g-d's name, other than to call g-d "I am."  This opens up quite a bit of interpretation of that commandment, IMO.  A good, thorough, study of the commandments, though, would take quite some time, considering there are actually 613 of them, using the big 10 as a sort of table of contents.

In parting, a story I think you may find interesting...and it is actually one of my favorites.  My favorite quote (Mi Chamocha) actually has an amazing story to it.  The quotation was made as the Israelites were standing at the Red Sea and Moses was asking g-d for help.  The story goes that they stood on the shore of the sea and cried out Mi Chamocha! and took a step into the waters.  After they took the first step they began walking forward, crying out ba'elim Adonai?  By the time they cried out again Mi Kamocha, they were head deep in the waters and had begun to choke (the translation in English for Mi Chamocha and Mi Kamocha are both the same who is like you?, yet this explains the difference in spelling and pronunciation).  As they were choking yet still praying, the waters parted, and they were able to cross to their freedom.  The moral, to me, of this story, is that you have to take yourself as far as you possibly can before asking for help.  Therein lies my belief in self-reliance and responsibility for ones actions.  There is no shame in asking for help when its needed, but one should not expect a hand-out.

I hope this helps those who don't understand or would like to know more about Judaism.  I am by no means here to convert, but I am more than willing to discuss any aspect of my religion with those that wish to civilly.  Shalom.
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Re: Favorite Bible Quotes
« Reply #70 on: August 14, 2010, 08:35:58 pm »

Okay, I obviously offended you through ignorance.  Was not my intention at all.  I lived in Israel for about 3 months around Passover.  I was astounded how much  Jews "lived" their belief.  I was ashamed of the fact that we as professing Christians are put to shame by the Jews outward fervency to serve God.  I would spend hours down at the wailing wall and watch their dedication in their prayers.  Some went 3 times a day.  I've been to the institute of studies, and saw how important the Torah was to them, and the reverence they took concerning it.  Everything about their life is centered around Adonai.  It touched me deeply, and put me to shame.

A friend of mine explained why Jews write God as G-d.  It's a sign of the highest respect and adoration, and that the word God should remain forever.  A Rabbi invited me for Passover, and I'll never forget it.  It lasted for hours, but seemed such a short time for me.  It was most revealing to me.  I can understand why God calls the Jews His chosen people.  The Land of Israel is blessed because of the dedication and foundation to commit all things to Adonai.

I'm so sorry, I was trying to understand some things and made a mess of it......sigh, I seem to be making more apology's lately.  No more questions.  I simply asked the wrong person.

No, you didn't ask the wrong person.  I am very open and more than willing to share what I know and believe.  It just stung the way you stated your response...and it wasn't very clear.  It seemed like you were saying I was belittling g-d and was conflicted in my belief, and then you proceeded to compare me to other Jews you know...not Kosher, dudette.   ;)

Religion is a very personal and very touchy subject.  I don't confine myself by a narrow definition; my daughter has pictures taken with Santa, would be allowed to attend any religious service with any member of our family, and will be Bat Mitzvahed.  When she has reached the age where she can make her own educated decisions, she will be free to do so, even if that choice should be atheism.



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« Reply #71 on: August 14, 2010, 08:58:02 pm »
.......I don't understand.  I have a lot of Jewish friends, but none are conflicted in their belief like this.

I'm not trying to say anything negative here about you, just puzzled.

I posted my reply about my supposedly being conflicted and belittling g-d.  The more I thought about it, though, the more this statement above bothered me.  You have a lot of Jewish friends, but I'm different than them, so you're puzzled?  Don't you realize how offensive that sounds?  That is the religious equivalent of "I'm not racist; I have black friends, and none of them are drug dealers."   :angry7:

In reading your response, Annella, I probably replied too harshly.  For this, I apologize.  Intention can be hard to interpret through this medium, and I don't want you to think you cannot ask me about something when you are genuinely interested.



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« Reply #72 on: August 14, 2010, 09:38:46 pm »
.......I don't understand.  I have a lot of Jewish friends, but none are conflicted in their belief like this.

I'm not trying to say anything negative here about you, just puzzled.

I posted my reply about my supposedly being conflicted and belittling g-d.  The more I thought about it, though, the more this statement above bothered me.  You have a lot of Jewish friends, but I'm different than them, so you're puzzled?  Don't you realize how offensive that sounds?  That is the religious equivalent of "I'm not racist; I have black friends, and none of them are drug dealers."   :angry7:

In reading your response, Annella, I probably replied too harshly.  For this, I apologize.  Intention can be hard to interpret through this medium, and I don't want you to think you cannot ask me about something when you are genuinely interested.

That's okay, I'm genuinely interested.  I think I'm Jewish, but I never knew my mother, and my father died when I was 11.  All my family is dead.  I did find out my mother was British, or so it says on her birth certificate.

A friend and I are learning Hebrew.  He's better than I, a fact he never lets me forget....sigh  Since I'm in the ministry, I find it interesting your heritage and how rich it is.  I'll be taking a sabbatical to Israel in the next year or so to stay for 4-6 months for study.  The last time I could only stay for 3 months, as it's very expensive to live there.  While I was there, they were excavating some very interesting finds.  

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Re: Favorite Bible Quotes
« Reply #73 on: August 15, 2010, 08:18:11 am »
The doctrine that God is a jealous God comes from the Old Testament books of the law of Moses. The "jealousy" is always in the context of idol worship, beginning in the Ten Commandments of Exodus 20.
(Exodus 20:5)(Exodus 34:14)(Deuteronomy 4:24)(Deuteronomy 5:9)(Deuteronomy 6:15)


What these five verses have in common is that they all share the same Hebrew adjective, qannâ'  qanna (Strong's H7067) (Strong's H7067),5 translated with the English word "jealous." The interesting thing about this word is that it is only used in reference to God. In no instance is the word qannâ' used to describe human jealousy. The reason that God is "jealous" is because He wants people to choose to love Him.6 Jesus said that the most important commandment was to love God.7 God does not want us to waste out time worshipping pretend gods that do not exist.8

Jealousy is often thought of as being a negative trait. So, many people think that the Bible's description of God as jealous means that He must be a divine hypocrite. However, this page has shown that in the original languages in which the Bible is written, the words do not have those negative definitions. Since the word used to describe the jealousy of God is not even the same word used to describe human jealousy, it is clear that the apparent contradiction is just a result of an inability of the translated language (English) to accurately reflect the original language (Hebrew). There is no slight on the character of God in the original language.


These are just portions of statements made on the website I linked to. God is not flawed, He is absolutely perfect.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/jealous_god.html


The difference between being jealous of someone and being jealous for someone as explained by Beth Moore in her book "A Heart Like His":

"A very big difference exists between being jealous of someone and being jealous for someone. Jealousy of someone is a selfish desire for what that person has. Envy motivates such jealousy. Jealousy for someone is a selfless desire for that person to have and be the best. Love motivates selfless jealousy. God is jealous on our behalf. His is jealous for us to know the One True God. He is jealous for us to be in a posture of blessing. He is jealous for us to be kept from the evil one. He is jealous for us to be ready for our Bridegroom. Jealousy for someone's best is of God. Jealousy of someone's best is of the enemy."

One of the definitions in the dictionary of "jealous" (jealousy) is "taking watchful care" (other words: careful, mindful, protective, vigilant, watchful).

This is the kind of jealousy that God has for us because He loves us. The other kind of jealousy is a human trait, which makes us flawed, NOT God.
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Re: Favorite Bible Quotes
« Reply #74 on: August 15, 2010, 11:32:33 am »
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This is the kind of jealousy that God has for us because He loves us. The other kind of jealousy is a human trait, which makes us flawed, NOT God.

Good explanation!  :D


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