Case for a Creator

[queenofnines]

What is wrong with God Glasses?  What is wrong with brain washing?

I don't know whether to laugh or ask you if you're being serious...?!

Quite frankly an atheists philosophy on logic is boring and intellectually lazy.

Really?  As compared to a religious person, who thinks there is a magical sky daddy who grants wishes at random and gives people who worship him a Disneyland when they die?  Sorry, I grew out of believing in fairy tales by age 10.

Most atheists have never truly confronted the horror of mankind and his "logic" to why and life.

And your explanation is a talking, walking snake and a cursed fruit??

[Annella]

If you don't have the intellectual capacity or discipline to contribute effectively I am confident everyone would rather your not comment at all.

This statement is disrespectful and uncalled for.  Someone needed to challenge this thread so it didn't wind up as one big sales pitch for religion.

So what if it's one big sales pitch for religion.  Haven't you had threads where it's one big sales pitch for athiesm or evolution, ect?  QON, you have said some mean, disrespectful, uncalled for things, on different threads to people. You lambast individuals because they don't "see' things your way.  You've called people nasty names, or chided them for their belief in God.  There's a way to disagree, and a way to debate a point.  You have no manners when it comes to anybody debating your athiest postings.  You go right for the jugular verbally, and mow down anybody's opinion, not with intelligent debate, but with "bully' tactics.

I agree with lancenweman1978, you don't have the discipline to contribute effectively.  Your so angry, and just waiting to "pounce" on anyone who objects to atheistic standing.  Challenging a thread is one thing, being downright rude and obnoxious is quite another.  Christians are easy targets as they will not retaliate with name calling and rudeness back at you.  

Shernajwine gave informative, concise, information on the book she was reviewing.  Her honest opinion on the contents she studied.  She wasn't pushing it down anyone's throat, just giving her personal feelings about what she read and processed for the answers she was seeking.  Then she passed it on to anybody else who was interested.  

[TVALLO]

I saw the movie, it was very well done.  I also read Case for Christ.  Same idea also well done. 

[queenofnines]

You go right for the jugular verbally, and mow down anybody's opinion, not with intelligent debate, but with "bully' tactics.

Yes I can be pretty passionate and blunt when I type; it isn't necessarily a reflection of how I'd talk about it offline.  It's just a forum...I don't know why you people are so sensitive to freedom of speech.  And you don't have enough experience with me to be judging my style of posting anyway, Annella.

[shernajwine]

I just want to say that I'm not going to deny this thread being anything other than what it is. I want to share exciting new things that I learn with people I care about. I didn't want to debate it, of course anyone is free to challenge it but I'm not going to debate specific points because I think it's better for anyone who has an issue with the what the author is saying (and enough to comment about it) should read the author's own words. I could only directly quote so much material, the rest was my own words and it was merely a thread to get people interested in doing their own research.

The god is illogical thread is a pitch for atheism, the shameful christian behavior is a thread to bash christians (based on one in particular christian) as is the, if i were a christian i would prove this as proof of god thread.....so I don't really see what the difference is.

And queen, your own research confirmed your atheism but you said yourself that a friend of yours made a comment about a remark you made about earth being made just for us....or something to the like. And that comment got you thinking about your statement and you also said that a friend directed you to godisimaginary and you said that is the information that completely convinced you that god was a delusion. So you didn't just wake up one day and decide to not believe in God...a seed was planted by someone who made you start questioning your faith.....a faith that was based in feelings and no knowledge and it was so easy from there to *bleep* those feelings away. Being a critical thinker is a good thing and so is being a free thinker but you're not really free thinking when you don't utilize your crap detector......you're a target for clever people who know how to hide the crap in between their words.  Clever people who only give you part of the truth to make you believe a lie.

I am of the opinion that evolution is a fairy tale.

After my own research (and mind you I am still at it) but so far my conclusion is that it takes far more faith to believe in evolution....and I want to make clear here that I am talking about the origins of life as explained by evolutionary theory NOT genetic variations within a species over time. There are so many issues and fallacies and hot air balloons in that theory....it blows my mind that any rational thinking person and especially the scientists who constantly prove themselves wrong....continue to claim evolution in this regard, as scientific fact. The fact is that there is a philosophical underbelly to evolution and the fact is that evolution CANNOT explain everything there is to know about our universe and the beginning of life on this planet....evidence is pointing to a creator. Scientists as a whole, discovered the universe is not eternal but IN FACT had a beginning.....evolutionists said...'well, we can't get around that fact anymore so we need to figure out how the universe can be explained by completely natural means'...they don't say this because they have any reason to think there is a rational natural cause but because they won't allow intelligent design to be an option. Forget the fact that intelligent design explains everything they can't....it doesn't matter because there is a lot at stake to keep there materialistic mindset.  Are they freethinkers?? Not by the definition I am aware of.

In a recent book I read Defeating Darwinism by Opening Minds by Phillip Johnson, I found encouragement because there are people in influential circles who are "putting a wedge" in what appears to be a solid log of fact of evolution. It takes a small wedge to crack open a solid log...a small wedge and with just  enough force and we will find that log is actually very hollow.

These people are making a united effort to expose what goes on behind closed doors in the meeting rooms of all branches of science and the politics behind keeping evolution and it's real truth hidden. I am confident that with all the evidence being found, Darwinian evolution is going to be proved as ridiculous as evolutionists think religion is.

Isaiah 45:23
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Philippians 2:10
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

There will come a day, when God will reveal Himself in all His glory.

I want to challenge anyone who is reading this thread, if you have doubts of any kind that God cares about you or if you doubt his existence. What have you got to lose but 30 seconds of your time to ask God to help you find Him. If He isn't really there then what harm was there? If He is there and you really want to know the truth, He will be there....and He WILL help you. Don't ask him in sarcastic mockery but if you think even by a small amount that you could be wrong about Him...and you sincerely want the truth. He will help you.

[Annella]

You go right for the jugular verbally, and mow down anybody's opinion, not with intelligent debate, but with "bully' tactics.

Yes I can be pretty passionate and blunt when I type; it isn't necessarily a reflection of how I'd talk about it offline.  It's just a forum...I don't know why you people are so sensitive to freedom of speech.  And you don't have enough experience with me to be judging my style of posting anyway, Annella.

There's nothing wrong with being passionate about something, but rude, obnoxious, calling names, and disrespectful of anybody who doesn't agree with you, is something else altogether.  No one is sensitive about Freedom of Speech (cheap shot).   

As far as having enough experience about your style of posting?........I can read, and your persona comes through crystal clear.  I've read enough of your threads to give me reference of what your about.

I pretty much ignore you and your other 2 followers, but Shernajwine and everybody else, has every right or opportunity to post on this forum without being bullied.

[lancenweman1978]

I just want to say that I'm not going to deny this thread being anything other than what it is. I want to share exciting new things that I learn with people I care about. I didn't want to debate it, of course anyone is free to challenge it but I'm not going to debate specific points because I think it's better for anyone who has an issue with the what the author is saying (and enough to comment about it) should read the author's own words. I could only directly quote so much material, the rest was my own words and it was merely a thread to get people interested in doing their own research.

Very well said shernajwine.

Thank you for sharing this with us. It is obviously time-consuming.

[shernajwine]

I just want to say that I'm not going to deny this thread being anything other than what it is. I want to share exciting new things that I learn with people I care about. I didn't want to debate it, of course anyone is free to challenge it but I'm not going to debate specific points because I think it's better for anyone who has an issue with the what the author is saying (and enough to comment about it) should read the author's own words. I could only directly quote so much material, the rest was my own words and it was merely a thread to get people interested in doing their own research.

Very well said shernajwine.

Thank you for sharing this with us. It is obviously time-consuming.

If it made anyone think more deeply about such an important issue then it was well worth it, so you're very welcome 

[queenofnines]

And queen, your own research confirmed your atheism but you said yourself that a friend of yours made a comment about a remark you made about earth being made just for us....or something to the like. And that comment got you thinking about your statement and you also said that a friend directed you to godisimaginary and you said that is the information that completely convinced you that god was a delusion. So you didn't just wake up one day and decide to not believe in God...a seed was planted by someone who made you start questioning your faith.....

I think I know my own history more than you do.  The friend who made the comment did NOT direct me to godisimaginary -- I found that site on my own.  And that friend's comment was just ONE seed of many...most seeds of doubt were MY OWN after reading the Bible and noticing some things.

But that's what Christians like to do, I guess.  Assume atheism is a religion, and that it takes one of the "followers" to convert you.  Y'all can't admit that plenty of sincere Christians have walked away on their own, back into reality.

[dmalsbury]

I believe in the ancient alien theory ...

[jordandog]

I have read through this entire thread and NOT said word one, anywhere. Then I see this to queen from you, Annella:

I pretty much ignore you and your other 2 followers

Wow, didn't know I was a follower of anyone - I am not. I also have, as mentioned before, many years of being a believer and a very personal relationship with God. I feel that statement was totally uncalled for. I have kept my thoughts quiet here until seeing that. You don't know me to judge me and that's what I would call a rude statement- something you said Christians do not do. That is all I have to say, but to pull me in when I have NOT posted a thing?

[shernajwine]

And queen, your own research confirmed your atheism but you said yourself that a friend of yours made a comment about a remark you made about earth being made just for us....or something to the like. And that comment got you thinking about your statement and you also said that a friend directed you to godisimaginary and you said that is the information that completely convinced you that god was a delusion. So you didn't just wake up one day and decide to not believe in God...a seed was planted by someone who made you start questioning your faith.....

I think I know my own history more than you do.  The friend who made the comment did NOT direct me to godisimaginary -- I found that site on my own.  And that friend's comment was just ONE seed of many...most seeds of doubt were MY OWN after reading the Bible and noticing some things.

But that's what Christians like to do, I guess.  Assume atheism is a religion, and that it takes one of the "followers" to convert you.  Y'all can't admit that plenty of sincere Christians have walked away on their own, back into reality.

I apologize queen, I thought I read in an earlier post when you were referring me to that site that you were referred by someone else. I will admit that plenty of sincere christians have walked away, but they didn't just walk away because they woke up one day after years of faith and said....'hmmm all of this seems retarded all of a sudden', there are many factors that can turn sincere christians away from church and God all together.

Church isn't meeting their spiritual needs, the pulpit is used to condemn and drives people to guilt.

They begin to question everything they believe because they are extremely unhappy.

When they get unhappy enough they begin to search out other avenues of belief.

Most christians are driven away from God because of other christians and a lack of relevant involvement in a relevant church. It just so happens that sometimes when being driven away from the church, people are confronted with the idea of there not being a God and if something logical enough is presented and they are interested enough to follow that line of thinking; they will come to atheism or agnosticism on their own or in even more cases they convert to another religion.

I'm not saying any of this applies to you in particular but from my research into statistics and the from the current book I am reading...these are typical situations that leads a person to skeptical thinking. And also because it is the very situation that lead me to my own skeptical thinking and resentment of God.

So again, I apologize....I either misunderstood your statement or I just didn't recall it correctly. 

[Annella]

I have read through this entire thread and NOT said word one, anywhere. Then I see this to queen from you, Annella:

I pretty much ignore you and your other 2 followers

Wow, didn't know I was a follower of anyone - I am not. I also have, as mentioned before, many years of being a believer and a very personal relationship with God. I feel that statement was totally uncalled for. I have kept my thoughts quiet here until seeing that. You don't know me to judge me and that's what I would call a rude statement- something you said Christians do not do. That is all I have to say, but to pull me in when I have NOT posted a thing?

It was not meant as a rude comment......it was made as a statement of fact.  QON has followers who defend her atheistic position.  Christ has followers who defend His Creation/Salvation position. 

No names are mentioned.  In fact, you have made an effort of trying to help me with one of my problems here on FC.  If I've misjudged you previously, I apologize.

However, if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs (not calling you dogs, just a metaphor), the only one that will yelp, is the one who was hit.  Don't "own" something that's not yours to own.

[shernajwine]

It is a good video but it barely touches on the details in the book. But I love reading and I always find the books more satisfying than movies or films lol. That's just me 

[lynnc35]

Well first off, I have to say, Faith is the way to the truth. When so many look with closed eyes, or their eyes only a scientific explanation or evolution, they have not held their eyes open to see the truth.
Maybe some keep seeing that their theories keep proving incorrect. which they are. So they are finally opening their eyes, but only through Faith will they have truth.