Trinity vs Oneness

[rwdeese]

rwdeese....

I happen to know David Bernard.  He's our General Superintendent of our organization.  We're both in the ministry.  He can preach Oneness like nobody I've ever heard, and all backed up with scripture.

I'm going to quit posting as I don't want shernajwine confused.  I broke my own rule by debating with you about this.  I don't debate the authenticity of God's word, or the truths in it.  I explained it to her in simple terms to help her understand the basics.  I feel she gets it.

However, her Pastor is there to teach her, and guide her to Christ.  He is someone she sees and talks to, and not just someone on a thread. 

Actually, I am not debating about it. I am merely pointing out that not every Oneness Pentecostal agrees with each other. Sure, most of the Oneness in the UPC will agree on David's view. It wouldn't be proper to cause division. I think David has a lot of good things to say, but this does not mean he is infallible. I am pretty close to his view on many things concerning God, but I disagree with his view on soteriology more so. Anyway, blessings to you.

[Annella]

Yes, I'm UPC. you must be on the West Coast like me, or maybe your a night owl....also like me...lol  Blessings your way also.

[rwdeese]

Yes, I'm UPC. you must be on the West Coast like me, or maybe your a night owl....also like me...lol  Blessings your way also.

Actually, I work graveyard. This is my night off, and I dont want to get off schedule.

[BizELady]

I was raised as a JW and they do not believe in the Trinity.  I am now attending a different assembly which does not use the word Trinity but uses the term "Godhead".  The Godhead (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) isn't equal to each other but work toward the same goal.

[teflonfanatic]

Shernajwine, here is a good scripture that kind of ties it all together.  The parenthesis are my input.

And without controversy great is the mystery of Godliness:  God was manifest in the flesh (Jesus), justified in the Spirit (Mary conceived by being overshadowed by the Spirit and bore Jesus), seen of Angels (Jesus), preached unto the Gentiles (Jesus), believed on in the world (Jesus), received up into Glory (Jesus).

All of this scripture states that God did all these things, and it's true, because God was Jesus manifested in the flesh in the world.  So what is God's name?

Verse 6 shows that faith is the mystery of godliness so in other words "God was manifested in the flesh", Or better yet faith itself came in the flesh. Any other ideas are going beyond the things written.
 
P.S. If I had to choose between modalism(that's the original name for oneness) and Trinity, i'll choose Modalism.

[Blugamer44]

Trinity

[teflonfanatic]

Trinity

I feel that the doctrines have some truth but the bulk of it is contradictory to most scripture. However with Modalism(oneness) at least I know there's one person who's almighty instead of a group of people who make up one almighty which is in saying THREE GOD's make ONE ALMIGHTY or ONE ALMIGHTY makes THREE GOD's.

[manicamarketing]

Don't forget everyone, the Trinity is perhaps more than anything a mystery.  Actually, it is THE Mystery.  Really, we can only know to the point, thanks to His great mercy, that God chooses to reveal Himself too us.  There are a few things we can say about the Trinity, quoted from the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC):

253: The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the "consubstantial Trinity."  The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entie: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature on God." 

254: The divine person are really distinct from one another. "God is one but not solitary."  "Father," Son," "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct form one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son." Thay are distinct form one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds." The divine Unity is Triune.

255: The divine persons are related to one another. Because it does not divide the divein unity, the real distinction of the persons from one another resides solely in the relationships which relate them to one another: "In the relational names of the persons the Father is related to the Son, the Son to the Father, and the Holy Spirit to both. While they are called three persons in view of their rlations, we believe in one nature or substance." Indeed "everything (in them) is one where there is no opposition of relationship: "Because of that unity the Father is wholly in the Son and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Son is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Son.:

[gaylasue]

They apparently aren't getting their information from the proper source ~ The Holy Bible.  God is three persons in one - God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit.

[shernajwine]

They apparently aren't getting their information from the proper source ~ The Holy Bible.  God is three persons in one - God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit.

The bible doesn't say they are three persons in one. The bible doesn't use the world Trinity. In fact it says God is one, Jesus said if you have seen him you have seen the father and God is holy and he is spirit. Before you blow off someone elses belief as BS you should study more to see how they justify that belief instead of posting an ignorant flippant comment such as that.

[teflonfanatic]

Don't forget everyone, the Trinity is perhaps more than anything a mystery.  Actually, it is THE Mystery.  Really, we can only know to the point, thanks to His great mercy, that God chooses to reveal Himself too us.  There are a few things we can say about the Trinity, quoted from the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC):

253: The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the "consubstantial Trinity."  The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entie: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature on God." 

254: The divine person are really distinct from one another. "God is one but not solitary."  "Father," Son," "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct form one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son." Thay are distinct form one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds." The divine Unity is Triune.

255: The divine persons are related to one another. Because it does not divide the divein unity, the real distinction of the persons from one another resides solely in the relationships which relate them to one another: "In the relational names of the persons the Father is related to the Son, the Son to the Father, and the Holy Spirit to both. While they are called three persons in view of their rlations, we believe in one nature or substance." Indeed "everything (in them) is one where there is no opposition of relationship: "Because of that unity the Father is wholly in the Son and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Son is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Son.:

I'll respond to your comments in the order you said them as I join Shernajwine Modalist's party for this one thread even through i'm not a modalist 

1. Your source says the Trinity is one(I know you copied and pasted it), yet you use the phrase EACH, every language known to man uses the word each to represent MORE THEN ONE. Moreover the third sentence contradicts itself because it uses each again and that means more then one again so there's no divinity but DIVINITIES.  Here's how the argument errs, sherna, teflonfanatic and manicamarketing are EACH fully human but they don't share humanity??!!! 

2. Your source uses the words THEY and ONE ANOTHER that's more then one.

3. Your sources third paragraph ADMITS TO HAVING MORE THEN ONE GOD in the first sentence and says that the only difference is the relationship titles. They can all be Almighty God according to the trinity but that still makes three Gods equal to each other.

Please don't take this the wrong way, I mean this with all sincerity and seriousness and I know I have to get better with the English language but the trinity tries hard to twist the meaning of words that mean more then one and try to make then mean one thing. It's more then one no matter how it's twisted.