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100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid
« on: July 13, 2010, 12:31:00 pm »
For those who have some extra time, here is a video for free thinkers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx7xfhOt0LQ&feature=related

It lasts 10 minutes and 21 seconds.

Enjoy!

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Re: 100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2010, 01:34:51 pm »
i think this was really interesting and Kent Hovind is a really good speaker! he probably would have made a much better debate opponent than Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron in the nightline face off that queen posted the other day! thanks for posting rw  :)


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Re: 100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2010, 01:46:29 pm »
i think this was really interesting and Kent Hovind is a really good speaker! he probably would have made a much better debate opponent than Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron in the nightline face off that queen posted the other day! thanks for posting rw  :)

Oh, I agree. This first video only presents the first few reasons of the hundred, but it serves as a good introduction.

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Re: 100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2010, 02:43:55 pm »
yes, the first video was too good to pass on watching the rest in the series! i'm watching them now  8)


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Re: 100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2010, 02:59:21 pm »
Extraordinarily intelligent man with a Bachelor's Degree in religious studies from a non-accredited college.  Must have also been a strenuous process getting his "Ph.D" from the non-accredited Patriot Bible University.  A known diploma mill that:

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allows students to attain bachelor's degrees, master's degrees and even "Doctor of Ministry" degrees in months, rather than years, for as little as $25 per month. Currently Patriot offers a monthly fee, unlike most universities, which only charge per-credit fees.

I bet his doctoral dissertation was magnificent in its almighty incompleteness:

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Hovind's dissertation is incomplete (contains four chapters totaling 101 pages, but Hovind's introduction claims the work is 250 pages with 16 chapters), of low academic quality, with poor writing, poor spelling, and poor grammatical style. Bartelt asserts that pages are repeated, references are absent, and it is not an original work with original ideas.

He's probably doing a lot of heavy "thinking" sitting in his jail cell for his 58 federal counts of tax evasion and smurfing.

The guy's a grade A nut:

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As part of his "one world government" conspiracy theory, Hovind also believes that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), HIV, West Nile virus, Gulf war syndrome, chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, Wegener's disease, Parkinson's disease, Crohn's colitis, Type I diabetes, and collagen-vascular diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis and Alzheimer's were all engineered by "the money masters and governments of the world" for the purpose of global economic domination.  Hovind believes "Satan has been using the great pyramid as his symbol for the New World Order."  He believes government secretly plotting to implant an "electronic ID" microchip in the body of every US citizen, which is the Mark of the Beast.  The aim, he believes, is to put "a chip into each of the major muscles and network them together so that a paralyzed person would be able to get some movement from their muscles" so that there "is going to be a system where you cannot buy or sell without the mark in the hands or in the forehead."  Yet, the mechanisms and history of such a project do not withstand scientific and historical scrutiny.

Regarding barcodes and the security strip on money, Hovind stated they are tied to a government plot in which barcodes and the "magnetic tape through the center of the paper" money "is of the same type that is on the back of your credit card" for tracking money and people.  Thus, the government "want to be able to track the money and find out where it goes."

Can you read that without laughing?  And you still think this guy is worth listening to, especially on a topic of science?  He's talks more nonsensical craziness than Glenn Beck, and that's a lot.  He has zero scientific credentials.  He can't even get creationists on his side (do you know how easy that is?)...creationist organizations despise what Hovind does and have made it openly known they believe his gimmicks undermine their goals.


But ignoring all this, he seems like a pretty credible, educated guy.  I'm sure his hard-earned degrees on religious studies from non-accredited diploma mills educated him well in the fields of science.


You post a video of Kent Hovind and you want me to believe you're not flamebaiting?  haha
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Re: 100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2010, 03:08:47 pm »
Extraordinarily intelligent man with a Bachelor's Degree in religious studies from a non-accredited college.  Must have also been a strenuous process getting his "Ph.D" from the non-accredited Patriot Bible University.  A known diploma mill that:

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allows students to attain bachelor's degrees, master's degrees and even "Doctor of Ministry" degrees in months, rather than years, for as little as $25 per month. Currently Patriot offers a monthly fee, unlike most universities, which only charge per-credit fees.

I bet his doctoral dissertation was magnificent in its almighty incompleteness:

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Hovind's dissertation is incomplete (contains four chapters totaling 101 pages, but Hovind's introduction claims the work is 250 pages with 16 chapters), of low academic quality, with poor writing, poor spelling, and poor grammatical style. Bartelt asserts that pages are repeated, references are absent, and it is not an original work with original ideas.

He's probably doing a lot of heavy "thinking" sitting in his jail cell for his 58 federal counts of tax evasion and smurfing.

The guy's a grade A nut:

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As part of his "one world government" conspiracy theory, Hovind also believes that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), HIV, West Nile virus, Gulf war syndrome, chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, Wegener's disease, Parkinson's disease, Crohn's colitis, Type I diabetes, and collagen-vascular diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis and Alzheimer's were all engineered by "the money masters and governments of the world" for the purpose of global economic domination.  Hovind believes "Satan has been using the great pyramid as his symbol for the New World Order."  He believes government secretly plotting to implant an "electronic ID" microchip in the body of every US citizen, which is the Mark of the Beast.  The aim, he believes, is to put "a chip into each of the major muscles and network them together so that a paralyzed person would be able to get some movement from their muscles" so that there "is going to be a system where you cannot buy or sell without the mark in the hands or in the forehead."  Yet, the mechanisms and history of such a project do not withstand scientific and historical scrutiny.

Regarding barcodes and the security strip on money, Hovind stated they are tied to a government plot in which barcodes and the "magnetic tape through the center of the paper" money "is of the same type that is on the back of your credit card" for tracking money and people.  Thus, the government "want to be able to track the money and find out where it goes."

Can you read that without laughing?  And you still think this guy is worth listening to, especially on a topic of science?  He's talks more nonsensical craziness than Glenn Beck, and that's a lot.  He has zero scientific credentials.  He can't even get creationists on his side (do you know how easy that is?)...creationist organizations despise what Hovind does and have made it openly known they believe his gimmicks undermine their goals.


But ignoring all this, he seems like a pretty credible, educated guy.  I'm sure his hard-earned degrees on religious studies from non-accredited diploma mills educated him well in the fields of science.


You post a video of Kent Hovind and you want me to believe you're not flamebaiting?  haha

I will investigate your claims to see if they are true or mere proppganda. If I find that this is a pack of lies, then our conversation will be over. Why waste ones time with those who are untrustworthy. It is one thing to disagree with your opponent, it is quite another to lie. Have a great day!

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Re: 100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2010, 05:07:22 pm »
yes, the first video was too good to pass on watching the rest in the series! i'm watching them now  8)

:( :( :(  See, RW, this is what I was talking about.  You've baited this poor, good woman with your insane thread topic and muddied her mind by getting her to watch a video series made by a proven fool.
"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
-- Carl Sagan

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Re: 100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2010, 05:46:02 pm »
yes, the first video was too good to pass on watching the rest in the series! i'm watching them now  8)

:( :( :(  See, RW, this is what I was talking about.  You've baited this poor, good woman with your insane thread topic and muddied her mind by getting her to watch a video series made by a proven fool.

I would say there are points that I disagree with Mr Hovind, but generally speaking, he has many solid arguments. I would say I disagree with his conspiracy theories as well. I also disagree with how he has conducted his personal life. However, on the last note, I would probably disagree with the personal lives of many people here. You see, truth is truth, even if an insane man speaks it. If an insane person tells a child that beef comes from a cow, does that invalidate the truth of the statement? No!

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Re: 100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2010, 05:47:17 pm »
Irrelevant.  Anything non-potato related ever said or done in Idaho doesn't count.

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Re: 100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2010, 05:57:25 pm »
yes, the first video was too good to pass on watching the rest in the series! i'm watching them now  8)

:( :( :(  See, RW, this is what I was talking about.  You've baited this poor, good woman with your insane thread topic and muddied her mind by getting her to watch a video series made by a proven fool.

I would say there are points that I disagree with Mr Hovind, but generally speaking, he has many solid arguments. I would say I disagree with his conspiracy theories as well. I also disagree with how he has conducted his personal life. However, on the last note, I would probably disagree with the personal lives of many people here. You see, truth is truth, even if an insane man speaks it. If an insane person tells a child that beef comes from a cow, does that invalidate the truth of the statement? No!

Except he doesn't speak the truth, because he wouldn't know where to start.  And I'm quite certain there are multiple video responses on Youtube that take this video apart piece by piece and explain its faults (don't recall if it's these videos or others from Hovind).  If not, there are countless websites and books that do.  A high school biology book would do him well, to be honest.

If he wants to yap about the Bible, cool; he has somewhat of a degree in that (emphasis on somewhat).  If he wants to critique a scientific theory backed by dozens upon dozens of the most intelligent, educated, informed biologists to walk the planet, he better damn well have the credentials to back it up.  But he doesn't...he has years of breaking laws and taking millions of dollars of people's money to hear bogus lectures.

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Re: 100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2010, 06:36:50 pm »
*sniff* *sniff*
Yeah. Definately flamebait.

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Re: 100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2010, 06:57:09 pm »
"Today the theory of evolution is about as much open to doubt as the theory that the earth goes round the sun." - Richard Dawkins, zoologist and evolutionary biologist

"Nothing in biology makes sense except in light of evolution." - Theodosius Dobzhansky, geneticist and evolutionary biologist

"Evolution is thrilling, liberating, and correct." - Stephen Jay Gould, paleontologist and evolutionary biologist

"We are the product of 4.5 billion years of fortuitous, slow biological evolution." - Carl Sagan, astronomer and astrochemist

and the clincher...

"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for everyone but a fundamentalist minority." - James D. Watson, molecular biologist

Now let's sit back and watch rwdeese scream, "Argument from authority!"  Damn right...these people know their stuff.
"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
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Re: 100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2010, 09:58:16 pm »
rwdeese: Enjoyed the video, evolution was stupid when it was taught in school...even more stupid today.  Kent Hovind is and excellent speaker regardless of his educational credentials & personal history ( if anyone doesn't think so then they should be showing some actual proof that what he was teaching is, in fact, wrong...otherwise  :-X).    ps: regardless of "not pompous" vs. "pompous"... I think if God tried all these FC forum posts by fire, yours would be the ones that remain unscorched.   Blessings!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=ZXu&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=theory+of+evolution&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=WEF&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&&sa=X&ei=sUE9TODvCMK88gbMs-2oBg&ved=0CBUQBSgA&q=big+bang+theory+scientific&spell=1

The facts are there and they're backed by countless of the world's most intelligent mathematicians, physicists, paleontologists, archaeologists, biologists, anthropologists, geologists, etc. etc.  I'm expected to take the word of a man with, let's call them what they are, laughably fake college degrees in a field that has absolutely nothing to do with scientific study over people who have made it their life goal and career to research and reason with these theories?  I'm supposed to take the word of a guy whose best argument against the Big Bang Theory is "it's just stupid" when it's backed by decades of mathematical and physical evidence along with the rest of the strong theoretical reasoning?

I don't have the patience to do a line-by-line critique of all the faults he made in these videos.  I know others on Youtube have critiqued some of his lectures line by line.  I can't waste my time arguing with a man who's sitting in jail.  The information is at the fingertips of anyone who wants to see it, and you don't have to go too in-depth into either theory to see Hovind spread blatant misinformation...he cracks apart at the very basic details (saying the Theory of Evolution proposes life arose from a rock, for one small example).

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Re: 100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2010, 09:13:43 am »
The dude isn't sitting in jail because what he was teaching was wrong (well not in a direct way), I don't know what his situation is but he may be in jail (in a indirect way) for what he was teaching.

No, what he "teaches" is wrong because even the most basic of facts, backed by libraries of observational, reasonable evidence, disagree with him.

He's in jail because, let's be honest again, he scammed people out of their money and then knowingly evaded tax laws on the basis that "everything he owns belongs to God," so he doesn't have to pay taxes.  Humorous to say the least.

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It's a common thing for someone to start teaching Bible based facts, outrage others, and then have a group decide this person needs to be stopped by any means possible ...which then brings accusations to surface (sometimes true, many times fabricated), death threats, etc.   (It seems that if a Christian begins  preaching/teaching a message that is Bible based and not designed to just please the masses...it's never long before the "investigations" begin, the criticism, the accusations of fraud & scandal, etc. I realize noone is perfect, and some "leaders" have really screwed up but I find it difficult to believe that there can be such a high number. It does seem something "fishy" is going on.  It's also "funny" that preachers that just preach to please the masses (those that aren't actually accomplishing anything) are never questioned.

There is no conspiracy to put him in jail, which is what it seems you're implying may be the case.  He has openly admitted to the accusations, dubbing himself a "tax protester."  He has tried every loophole in the book to get around taxation on his "earnings," because he is greedy and deluded.  He got caught, tough luck.  Break the law, do the time.

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Scientists that believe the Bible: http://earnestlycontending.com/?p=383 

http://www.icr.org/article/bible-believing-scientists-past/    

List of 100 Bible believing scientists: http://unmaskingevolution.com/29-100_scientists.htm   These too are considered to be among the world's most intelligent mathematicians, physicists, paleontologists, archaeologists, biologists, anthropologists, geologists.  They too made it their life goal and career to research.

The first two lists consist of almost nothing but scientists from the 1800s and prior (at a glance, I think there's 4-5 that lived into the early 1900s).  Darwin's account of evolution by natural selection was not even made formal until 1859, and it took decades, up to the 1930s through the 1950s, for the proposal to be combined with other solidifying discoveries -- the importance of Mendel's work was not discovered and put in context until the early 20th century, the modern structure of DNA and its relation to RNA and protein synthesis wasn't formally proposed until 1952, for examples.  Modern evolutionary theory has only been around for 60-70 years...of course the guy doing alchemy in 1615 wouldn't care about it.  Even those in the 1800s who showed opposition to the proposals did so on the basis of an extremely tiny piece of the big picture, which has been continuously unveiled over the recent decades.

Scientists were religious then, because there was hardly a legitimate alternative.  The evidence supporting modern science in this field simply wasn't there; hell, many of the proposals weren't even in place yet or their importance was overlooked until the early/mid-1900s when biology became a legitimate field of science and scientists began fitting the pieces of numerous discoveries together.  Never mind the stronghold the Church had over society throughout much of that time -- no desire to even get into that.  .

The third list has more modern scientists.  I have never claimed science doesn't have theists working within it -- they are individuals capable of separating their religion from their work.  They very, very rarely come out and openly state a scientific theory is plain false and they rarely set out to prove their religious beliefs with their scientific research.  They may critique or criticize, which is to be expected as that is what science is about. They're, more often than not, scientists when they walk into the lab and theists when they walk out.  No big deal.

Atheist or theist is irrelevant to me on this discussion -- good science is good science.  Good science backed by extraordinary credentials is even better.  Good science backed by huge numbers of people with extraordinary credentials is even better than that.  Hovind lacks in all these categories.  His understanding of even the basics of the scientific topics he lectures about is terribly bad and his credentials are worse.  He's a crock out to get people's money.  Sadly he was largely successful, raking in millions of dollars over the years between his lectures and his theme park, and will probably be successful upon his sentence ending.

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Re: 100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2010, 10:01:17 am »
Scientists were religious then, because there was hardly a legitimate alternative.

Yep.  This is also why the Big Bang and evolution aren't mentioned in the Bible...it's because the people of that time who wrote about creation had no concept of these things.  A Christian today HAS to believe in a Young Earth for their religion not to completely fall apart; otherwise there are no first humans to commit original sin.

What god would have to be like to be "in harmony" with science: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9EVMzVQKTk&playnext_from=TL&videos=Rxyv3pY6sY8 (The Bible Revisited: Genesis 2.0)

Top Ten Creationist Arguments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSxgnu3Hww8&playnext_from=TL&videos=qE7QKdTglfk (two parts)

High Stakes Intelligent Designing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_G9awnDCmg&playnext_from=TL&videos=Icy1wl2kMoc

God's Cool Designs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcrq5OOkQdk&playnext_from=TL&videos=-2jsKyjVPMs

 
"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
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