The Truth about Militant Atheism

[rwdeese]

When one reads all that is written by atheists, one will discover that just like other faith based religions, there are varies categories of atheism. It is one thing to hold to a belief that God does not exist, it is quite another thing to attack other faiths in order to justify this "non-belief" belief. There are atheists that merely ascribe to their "non-belief" belief, and there are atheists that actively attack all religions - this is militant. Militant: "engaged in warfare or combat" If attacking others is not engaged in warfare or combat, I do not know what is? Within the militant atheism, there seems to be categories as well.

1. Atheist: One who merely ascribes to there "non-belief" belief.
2. Militant Atheist (general): Hostile to religion, but only when asked about their belief.
2. Militant Atheist (conservative): Hostile to religion and lets everyone know that they are hostile to religion.
3. Militant Atheist (fundamentist): Hostile to religion to the point that they openly, and regularly attack religion at all levels. It is more than a mere disagreement with religion. In some cases it is anger and bitterness based. They are hostile towards anything that is relgious. They will promogate their faith every chance they get. They desire to undermine the faith of others in anyway they can.
4. Militant Atheist (extremist): Hostile to religion to the point that they openly, and regularly attack religion at all levels. It is more than a mere disagreement with religion. It is based on a hatred and a real desire to wipe out all forms of religious beliefs. These Militant Atheists tend to make a claim that other atheists do not - A. All religions are 100% false. B. Most religions are harmful. These kind of atheists are like the taliban. If they were given free reign, they would do their best to destroy everything that represents religious faith in society. They are usually very politically active with the hopes they will destroy anything faith based. This is the kind of atheism that Stalin practiced - in the past it has led to out and out persecution of religions and the killing of milliions

[queenofnines]

This type of post is the exact reason why I posted the video in my thread on "Militant" Atheists: http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=16623.0

First of all, once again I'm amazed at how you have the audacity to think you have any clear grasp of what an atheist is, let alone a "militant" one.  I could write a post just like this about Christians and it would have more credit than yours does since I actually have experience being a Christian, whereas you have no experience being a real atheist.  But I wouldn't post such a thing because I know I would be WRONG for doing so; it wouldn't accomplish anything except making me look like an *bleep*.  It would be very insulting to Christians, no matter how right I thought I was.

The real crux of the matter is not that an atheist is actually being "militant" ("attacking" with words is far less severe than picketing, knocking on people's doors, flying into buildings, blowing up churches, or demanding that people be killed in the name of our "non-belief"...all things we DON'T do, unlike ACTUAL religions)...the real crux is that people SUCK at admitting the beliefs/lifestyle/behaviors they hold dear are wrong.  Which is not just a jibe at religion...people are stubborn to admit they are wrong about all multitude of things.  Dawkins would say we have our "selfish genes" to blame for that.

[queenofnines]

P.S. Before someone calls me on it -- It is only wrong to call people wrong when whatever they're doing isn't hurting anyone (consensual sex acts, for example).  Religion is hurting people; it is hurting us all.

If atheists WERE religious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pwwvBygoFA  Very funny! 

[rwdeese]

This type of post is the exact reason why I posted the video in my thread on "Militant" Atheists: http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=16623.0

Yes, I noticed how "educational" that video is...

First of all, once again I'm amazed at how you have the audacity to think you have any clear grasp of what an atheist is, let alone a "militant" one.  I could write a post just like this about Christians and it would have more credit than yours does since I actually have experience being a Christian, whereas you have no experience being a real atheist.  But I wouldn't post such a thing because I know I would be WRONG for doing so; it wouldn't accomplish anything except making me look like an *bleep*.  It would be very insulting to Christians, no matter how right I thought I was.

1. I am amazed that you actually think you understand the atheism you are embracing.
2. There was nothing unsound in my presentation.
3. Of course, your post would have more creditbility than the one I wrote - because atheists believe their reasoning outweighs everyone elses.
4. You have certainly intellectually embraced christianity, but anyone who actually had a real relationship with Christ could not turn their back on that relationship.
5. I never heald to a full atheist fatih. I was an agnostic, for sure.
6. Anyone living in the real world knows that there are a variety of Christians out there - to include militant ones.

The real crux of the matter is not that an atheist is actually being "militant" ("attacking" with words is far less severe than picketing, knocking on people's doors, flying into buildings, blowing up churches, or demanding that people be killed in the name of our "non-belief"...all things we DON'T do, unlike ACTUAL religions)...the real crux is that people SUCK at admitting the beliefs/lifestyle/behaviors they hold dear are wrong.  Which is not just a jibe at religion...people are stubborn to admit they are wrong about all multitude of things.  Dawkins would say we have our "selfish genes" to blame for that.

You act like you are presenting something that destroys faith. It actually only proves that it exists (but that is for another time). None the less, there are militant atheists that if they had the chance would definitively eliminate true believers if given the chance.  You may not be one of them, but it doesn't eliminate the fact.

[liljp617]

You're a troll An obvious one at that...

[rwdeese]

You're a troll An obvious one at that...

Trolls present off topic messages in an online community. If I had presented this message on the regularFC  forum, you would be correct. Perhaps you didn't notice that this section is specifically for debates. This isn't disrupting "normal on-topic discussions." All topics are open for discussion.

If you do not want to read what I wrote, you do not have to read it. Furthermore, if all you have to say is things that are only written to provoke emotional responses from me - that is truly a definition of a troll. So, the very thing you accuse me of, you have become. Again, if you do not want to read what I have written in the "debate" section, then don't!

[queenofnines]

3. Of course, your post would have more creditbility than the one I wrote - because atheists believe their reasoning outweighs everyone elses.

Most everyone believes their reasoning outweighs everyone else's.  That's the problem!! 

Either the Christian god exists or he doesn't...both sides can't be right.  And so one must use his *reasoning skills* to come to what is the more likely of the two positions.  Granted, many people have arrived at a belief in god without using any reasoning skills at all, or their reasoning skills are weak and immature.  More problems!!

None the less, there are militant atheists that if they had the chance would definitively eliminate true believers if given the chance.  You may not be one of them, but it doesn't eliminate the fact.

Yes I'm sure there are, but the proportion of these types of people is way less than those in religion's camp.  And Christianity's still got eternal torture on its side.

[rwdeese]

RW: Of course, your post would have more creditbility than the one I wrote - because atheists believe their reasoning outweighs everyone elses.

Most everyone believes their reasoning outweighs everyone else's.  That's the problem!!

Is that the problem? I disagree!

Ei

ther the Christian god exists or he doesn't...both sides can't be right.

You are stating a logical truism - we agree!

And so one must use his *reasoning skills* to come to what is the more likely of the two positions.  Granted, many people have arrived at a belief in god without using any reasoning skills at all, or their reasoning skills are weak and immature.  More problems!!

...and many have arrived at atheism the same way.

None the less, there are militant atheists that if they had the chance would definitively eliminate true believers if given the chance.  You may not be one of them, but it doesn't eliminate the fact.

Yes I'm sure there are, but the proportion of these types of people is way less than those in religion's camp.  And Christianity's still got eternal torture on its side.

It matters little about percentages, for it does not eliminate a God - even if the perecentages were 100%!

[Falconer02]

Trolls present off topic messages in an online community.

They also only post what they want to hear and don't notice the huge obvious holes in what they're saying. No offense, but it's either you're incapable of speaking on a higher level to see the massive gray areas of your beliefs...or you are just trolling. You can go ahead and relate this to any fallacy you want so you can cover your tracks, but this is precisely what's going down with you. Constantly. I'm noticing patterns with you.

[rwdeese]

Trolls present off topic messages in an online community.

They also only post what they want to hear and don't notice the huge obvious holes in what they're saying. No offense, but it's either you're incapable of speaking on a higher level to see the massive gray areas of your beliefs...or you are just trolling. You can go ahead and relate this to any fallacy you want so you can cover your tracks, but this is precisely what's going down with you. Constantly. I'm noticing patterns with you.

Now, this is certainly a classic troll statement. A bunch of unsubstantiated diatribe. Nice try, but this is really just an example of another ad hom from someone that really cannot debate the subject. If you cannot win a debate, try to know them down - this is old style! Good job!

[Falconer02]

Now, this is certainly a classic troll statement. A bunch of unsubstantiated diatribe. Nice try, but this is really just an example of another ad hom from someone that really cannot debate the subject. If you cannot win a debate, try to know them down - this is old style! Good job!

Mmmhmm. Keep trying to play the better man. You act impervious with all your exhaggerated labels and junk...

These kind of atheists are like the taliban.

...but your logic is just flat out laughable.

[liljp617]

You're a troll An obvious one at that...

Trolls present off topic messages in an online community. If I had presented this message on the regularFC  forum, you would be correct. Perhaps you didn't notice that this section is specifically for debates. This isn't disrupting "normal on-topic discussions." All topics are open for discussion.

If you do not want to read what I wrote, you do not have to read it. Furthermore, if all you have to say is things that are only written to provoke emotional responses from me - that is truly a definition of a troll. So, the very thing you accuse me of, you have become. Again, if you do not want to read what I have written in the "debate" section, then don't!

You make nonsensical statements (ie there's nothing inherently wrong with humans owning other human beings) in an attempt to get an emotional rise out of others and your "arguments" lead no where (because they're based on horrible foundations).  Perhaps a better term would be flamebaiting.  They're usually not far from each other however.

[Falconer02]

Perhaps a better term would be flamebaiting.

Now THAT'S the right term! Wow I can't believe I forgot about that one.

because they're based on horrible foundations

Yep. Btw liljp where have you been? You disappeared for a long time.

[liljp617]

because they're based on horrible foundations

Yep. Btw liljp where have you been? You disappeared for a long time!

Attempting to stay away from nonsense like this lol

But I got bored the other night

[rwdeese]

RW: Now, this is certainly a classic troll statement. A bunch of unsubstantiated diatribe. Nice try, but this is really just an example of another ad hom from someone that really cannot debate the subject. If you cannot win a debate, try to know them down - this is old style! Good job!

Mmmhmm. Keep trying to play the better man. You act impervious with all your exhaggerated labels and junk...

1. No one is trying to "play the better man." If you would stop trying to read other people's motives and deal with subject, these kind of interactions wouldn't take place.

2. You are certainly free to your opinions. Although it is obvious that, in your opinion, I am not free to express my own. Is this how you respond to those who disagree with you? Interesting indeed - this may turn out to be an example of one of my definitions.

3. When you get a chance, actually try to engage in the conversation. These ad homs are interesting for the readers, but really do not accomplish much.

RW: These kind of atheists are like the taliban.

...but your logic is just flat out laughable.

Again, try engaging in the conversation. Anyone can say that a man landed on Mars, but does that make it so.

In a strange sort of way I enjoy your posts. Perhaps they should be placed in a quote book on how atheists respond to those they disagree with.