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eSineM

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Possible CURE FOR CANCER
« on: June 13, 2010, 02:54:48 pm »
Possible CURE FOR CANCER

How effing insane would that be.

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Re: Possible CURE FOR CANCER
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2010, 08:31:34 pm »
Uh, wow. If they were looking for all of these years and all people need to do is eat a fruit...

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Re: Possible CURE FOR CANCER
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2010, 08:36:17 pm »
???????What are you talking about???????  ??? :dontknow:

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Re: Possible CURE FOR CANCER
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2010, 11:45:00 pm »
wow :o

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Re: Possible CURE FOR CANCER
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2010, 12:51:59 am »
Actually I'm discovering these kind of articles come up every couple monhts or so O_O then nothing usually comes out of it..

 cancer is not a disease that needs a cure, it;s a problem in the body and your body CREATES the cancer, so getting rid of it dont work if your body is going to just recreate it..cancer is not the same for everyone and every place..they just call it cancer when it cant be explained and its creating tumors etc.

any *bleep* up in the dna that creates tumors and *bleep*, they just say its cancer.

changes in your diet to only veggies and *bleep*, raw, usually fixes it

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Re: Possible CURE FOR CANCER
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2010, 04:50:40 am »
That would be cool!! I've also heard that mole-rats are being studied to see if they cure cancer, so..there's always HOPE!

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Re: Possible CURE FOR CANCER
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2010, 08:35:53 am »
Yeah... I've got a Masters in pharmacology doing cancer research / drug development. One thing that I learned in grad. school is that we (humans) have "cured" cancers in lab animals hundreds of times, but that doesn't always mean that it will translate to an effective treatment in humans. eSineM was close in their description of cancer; basically any unregulated growth / reproduction of cells is considered to be a cancer (I just disagree that they call it cancer when "it cant be explained and its creating tumors etc." because there are many cancers that can very well be explained; it just may be that there isn't an effective treatment against the cancer, or that the cure is worse than the disease). But the ways that the cancer occurs is very diverse. Some cancers respond to growth hormones abnormally, like overproducing growth hormone receptors. Others don't respond to negative growth factors, flushing them out of the cells too quickly, or not having enough receptor on the cell membrane so that none enter the cell. Or they may just growth on their own without any cues from hormones.

When we talk about breast vs. colon cancer, we are only talking about the location in the body where the cancer occurs, not how the cancer is actually caused. Thus there are many different kinds of breast cancer, for example, each with a different way for the growth to occur. That is why some drugs are quite responsive with some breast cancer cases, but other cases won't respond at all.

Because all of the different types of cancers, it is very difficult to have any one drug target all cancers. Thus, this articles makes me very skeptical about the true efficacy of the drug. I'm not saying that it won't be effective in some cancers, just that it probably won't be a cure-all for all cancers. I also wonder what the "liquefying" is actually doing, and how it can distinguish between cancers and normal human tissues. If it only targets those cells that were actually exposed to the drug, then that may be why the article listed skin and colon cancers -- those being easy to target -- instead brain cancer, which would require extreme care to ensure that the doctor doesn't accidentally liquefy the patient's brain!

Because of the diversity in cancers, some of the more promising ways to truly treat many different cancers is not by trying to target the cancers themselves, but rather other cells in the body that the cancer needs in order to grow. For example, cancer tumors require blood vessels in order to get food, get rid of toxins, and to spread around the body (metastasize). So by targeting the newly formed blood vessels, it causes the tumors to "starve to death" regardless of how the cancers actually grows out of control. See this article which is only a year old that describes this type of treatment as well as the drugs that are just starting to come out on the market:
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/eto/content/eto_1_4x_the_details_how_antiangiogenesis_drugs_work.asp

The OP's article reminds me of another cancer "cure" that was found in nature; taxol which was discovered from the bark of the Pacific Yew tree (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paclitaxel#History). Notice how long it took from initial identification and isolation of the drug to the time that it finally came out onto the market! Thus when the OP's article mentions that it'll be 7 years before human clinical trials, it doesn't really surprise me. This also points out why chemotherapies are so expensive; although the drug itself may cost only a few dollars to make, the cost for all of the research time by PhDs and MDs is enormous. Esp. when you consider that less than 5% of the potential substances actually make it out to the market. Thus I don't begrudge "Big Drug" companies from trying to make a profit on those drugs that actually do work, esp. the few years that they have exclusive rights on the patent.

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Re: Possible CURE FOR CANCER
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2010, 01:37:03 am »
Ditto  8)

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Re: Possible CURE FOR CANCER
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2010, 06:15:50 am »
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changes in your diet to only veggies and *bleep*, raw, usually fixes it

I do think our diet plays a big role in health but sometimes it's not always the case.  I had an uncle who was a "health nut" ate healthy, exercised regularly and still got cancer and died.  I just had an aunt die of cancer last month.  My aunt refused chemo, can't say I blame her as she was in her 80's and had pancreatic cancer which is very difficult.  She never smoked and was not obese.  Every one of my father's siblings who have died so far (those two included) have died of some form of cancer   It just seems to run in the family.   

I also think there is no rush to cure cancer it makes the drug companies and others too much money. 

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Re: Possible CURE FOR CANCER
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2010, 01:51:01 pm »
I don't think there is one single cure for cancer that would work for everybody. there are a lot of cures that have worked for some people, but I don't believe they would work for everyone, because everybody's bodies are different. Just like they can't say for sure what causes cancer, because some people get it from exposure to certain things, and others don't. and even people who are health nuts can get cancer. I think some of it is in the environment, and the rest is just in our bodies.

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Re: Possible CURE FOR CANCER
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2010, 06:12:31 pm »
i'll believe it if a person says the he or she is no longer a cancer patient after getting a dose of this fruit. if this were true. the fruit will be sold for thousands maybe millions just for trade. and if it works. patient has undergo surgery to kill the cancerous cells then eat the fruit. i'm a  bit skeptical about this though. but hey. there's a possibility for everything.

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Re: Possible CURE FOR CANCER
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2010, 04:05:54 am »
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changes in your diet to only veggies and *bleep*, raw, usually fixes it

I do think our diet plays a big role in health but sometimes it's not always the case.  I had an uncle who was a "health nut" ate healthy, exercised regularly and still got cancer and died.  I just had an aunt die of cancer last month.  My aunt refused chemo, can't say I blame her as she was in her 80's and had pancreatic cancer which is very difficult.  She never smoked and was not obese.  Every one of my father's siblings who have died so far (those two included) have died of some form of cancer   It just seems to run in the family.   

I also think there is no rush to cure cancer it makes the drug companies and others too much money. 

cancer is not always caused by a constant bad diet, it can be caused by exposure to chemicals including asbestos, lead, mercury, even plastics and gases. Also things that are often found in health foods are bad for you. Veggies etc. were they GMO? Or organic? How about the food.. Any of it contain soy? like that tofu crap? Diet or lowfat stuff? (often bad suppliments) how about the sugars? coffee? Any chemical/fertilizers used in those beans? so many variables...

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Re: Possible CURE FOR CANCER
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2010, 08:48:13 am »
Haha...I don't really think eating fruit everyday will really prevent you from getting cancer...a full balanced diet with a healthy active lifestyle maybe. The thing is, most cancers arise from random DNA mutations...and yes some of these mutations are caused by outside factors, like UV rays, but most of the time it's just random. In cancer cells, their cell cycle goes out of whack and they start replicating out of control, making a tumor, but its when these cells travel to other parts of the body that makes the cancer dangerous. They could interfere with the functions of different organs, which is why it's really dangerous if these cells start to spread. Most cancers aren't even genetic, but its just random chance. So yes, do what you can to maintain a healthy lifestyle, because its good for you, but there is still a chance of developing cancer regardless.

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Re: Possible CURE FOR CANCER
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2010, 06:50:46 pm »
Haha...I don't really think eating fruit everyday will really prevent you from getting cancer...a full balanced diet with a healthy active lifestyle maybe. The thing is, most cancers arise from random DNA mutations...and yes some of these mutations are caused by outside factors, like UV rays, but most of the time it's just random. In cancer cells, their cell cycle goes out of whack and they start replicating out of control, making a tumor, but its when these cells travel to other parts of the body that makes the cancer dangerous. They could interfere with the functions of different organs, which is why it's really dangerous if these cells start to spread. Most cancers aren't even genetic, but its just random chance. So yes, do what you can to maintain a healthy lifestyle, because its good for you, but there is still a chance of developing cancer regardless.

Thats' not true, its not 'random' at all. Check out the movie "Diseases Don't Just Happen" or "Where mind meets matter". These cancer rates have steadily been growing, in history it was unheard of to die of cancer and this wasnt because they couldn't detect tumors or cancer cells as many imply... Cancer is not random anymore than it is genetic. It is caused by DNA structure being read wrong and incorrect cells being created rather than the proper cells used to heal the body. Eating fruit everyday will not prevent cancer, in fact if you didn't eat anything else, you may still get diabetes from all the sugars hahahah The idea that it is random has only really been pushed by manufacturers of plastics and things that lead to cancer.. Even cell phones lead to cancer now days...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rdTcPzLYCw

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Re: Possible CURE FOR CANCER
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2010, 07:41:47 pm »
    ;)   Take good care of your body and mind...whatever you do affects your life and has consequences on your health.

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