Define Evolution

[queenofnines]

But I see more explanation for my life in the belief of creation then I do in nothing. What is my life for if that is true.

Your life is for whatever you want it to be for.  Isn't that great!

Why are we as humans the only creature among life-forms which can reason?

Because that's just where evolution left us all.

Why after thousands of years can apes not read a blueprint or put a cabinet together, or boil water? I'm just asking.

Actually, many animals are highly intelligent and even have feelings.  Have you not heard how animals being slaughtered cry, how domestic cats have rescued their owners, how gorillas can communicate sign language, to name a few examples?

If it is true, what are we here for, and what is your purpose in life but to be born and to die. A persons life basically has no meaning.

Correct!  Ding ding ding!  The only technical reason we are here is to reproduce.  Sorry if that depresses you, but it's true.  Beyond that, you make your own meaning for your life.

It would mean that there are no absolutes. Everything is relevant as long as you want it to be because there is no meaning to life. Let your child be molested and say that it isn't wrong. Let your wife be raped and say that it doesn't matter. Let someone break into your home and say that's ok to take what you have worked hard for.

Yes, there are no absolutes in the purest sense.  But as I've said before in other threads, just because there is no absolute morality does not mean it is beneficial to our species as a whole to do things that are harmful to one another!  We're not going to last very long if everyone goes around pillaging and killing each other; that's not god, that's just common sense.

But what if I am right and you are the one who is wrong? Where does that leave you?

Pascal's Wager: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNcWdV0LYG4&playnext_from=TL&videos=vPRAzm3na34

[queenofnines]

The problem here is having 1 man get every animal on earth (while fending off inbreeding-- you need more than just 1 pair) onto a humongous boat.

God supports incest, though!  It's where we all came from!!  Noah's Ark was the second major example of incest in the Bible.  So you're like, my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great uncle's nephew's grandfather's brother or something!!!   

[queenofnines]

By refusing to acknowledge this question you are indeed saying you believe something came from nothing.

Well I answered you after you said this, but Jesus, your tone is that of a demanding child.  Like you're trying to ask a sh*t ton of questions to "throw off us track".

I have a easy explanation for the origin of a complex and diverse universe, evolutionist do not.

Yes, saying "god did it" is WAY easier.  This sacrifice of thinking is why you're not a scientist, though.

And fyi: there are hordes of geneticist's, physicist's, biologist's, astronomer's, and scientist's of all field's who believe in the possibility of intelligent design.

FYI: 93% of scientists DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD (Source: National Academy of Sciences).  Even way back in 1997, only 5% of scientists believed in the Creation story (Source: Gallup).  So what are you talking about?

And everyday in the field of science more and more holes are being shot into the theory of evolution.

Quite the opposite.

Evolution - Evidence and "Gaps"...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nTnjx-JRzE&playnext_from=TL&videos=rCD7A7btvGI
Top Ten Creationist Arguments #1...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSxgnu3Hww8&playnext_from=TL&videos=ia11vl5oYfQ
Top Ten Creationist Arguments #2...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfZFsXfCy6s&playnext_from=TL&videos=pRXdmY44a1Y

[twood312]

As I said before, I am not telling you that I can prove what the bible or any other religious text says.
I am telling you that you are so sure that creationists are wrong, yet you can't prove that evolution is right.
And as far as the origin of God is concerned, all I can say is that I am TOO UNINTELLIGENT to know the answer to that.
I know that the bible makes the claim that he always was, and always will be. The same, yesterday(beginning), today(the present), and forever(eternity).
How or why is a matter of faith, and I do not make the assumption that I am so smart as to be able to understand all the mysteries of the universe. And I'm O.K. with that.
I haven't once called any of you ignorant or closed-minded. I have only questioned your reasoning for believing so completely in evolution as the origin of the universe(and all within it).
Why am I closed-minded and ignorant to believe in a creator?

[twood312]

Watched youtube video Evolution-evidence and "gaps"
1. Evidence is weak, and isn't substantial enough to validate evolution. It is merely her interpretation of the evidence presented.
2. Adaptation does not equal proof of evolution. Maybe adaptation is a gift from a higher power to us. Maybe it is one of the great complexity's of all life forms.
3. Atavism example: My answer: The anomaly of atavism may be nothing more that a mutation due to a complication's in the gnome.
4.Archaeopteryx example as transitional life form: My answer: O.K.  It possibly nothing more than an extinct bird. Do you know how many so-called transitional life forms have been found to be nothing more than hoax, mistakes, or misrepresentations of the facts. Some humanoid fossils were claimed to be TLF's, but turned out to be nothing more than people with deformity's. Some fossils have been claimed to be transitional fossils, only to be found to be from common animals. Sorry, that dog don't hunt sweetie.
If all it takes is a video with someone's interpretation of scientific data. Oh well.
As before, not trying to make you believe what I believe. But to convince me you will have to do much better than that.
Believe what you choose. It's your life, even if it is worthless, and without meaning.
The ability to choose right form wrong is not common sense, it is called conscience dear, and no creature other than a human has it. Feelings are just what they are...feelings.
As far as animals are concerned, feelings and instinct are not conscience. Sorry!

[Falconer02]

As I said before, I am not telling you that I can prove what the bible or any other religious text says.

Gotcha. I'll try to remember that.

I am telling you that you are so sure that creationists are wrong, yet you can't prove that evolution is right.

We've already proved evolution to you in different forms. Refer to my insecticide and sickle-cell anemia example. It exists!

Adaptation does not equal proof of evolution. Maybe adaptation is a gift from a higher power to us. Maybe it is one of the great complexity's of all life forms.

Yes it does. Both contain natural selection in their terms. And if evolution is a gift from god, he's undoubtedly a really mean *bleep*. Evolution isn't a crystal-clean slap-happy process like many creationist theories are.

As I said, you cannot answer energy or inorganic matter, unless you are willing to admit that there was something there to cause the energy or matter to exist.

Yes, but this is not evidence of god. You have every right to think this, but you must acknowledge with our limited views that this could be nothing more than another "rainbow = god did it!" scenario. And no, again, something did not come from nothing when the 'nothing' you are referring to has not been discovered and defined yet. Your train of thought is going "Well since he's never been to Canada, he does not think it exists! He thinks there's nothing there!". We're saying "Canada exists, but we don't know what's there yet. We have to go there to find out."

I have a easy explanation for the origin of a complex and diverse universe.

"Rainbows = God did it!"

And fyi: there are hordes of geneticist's, physicist's, biologist's, astronomer's, and scientist's of all field's who believe in the possibility of intelligent design.
And everyday in the field of science more and more holes are being shot into the theory of evolution.
And the number of scientist's who see no other way but through intelligent design is growing]

No offense, but all of this is furthest from the truth. You need to do a bit more research before saying things like this.

Why am I closed-minded and ignorant to believe in a creator?

Well hey, you seem to ask some legit questions which is cool. I think all of the comments calling you close-minded just pertain to you not acknowledging what we've already discovered and defined. Your beliefs and knowledge just seem to super-scattered and you're asking and mixing all these questions that we're all confused by you. We've all seen certain mind games played where the skeptic throws far too much into the argument to confuse the opponents, and then the skeptic tries to claim the highground when the opponents can't keep track of what the skeptic is trying to get at. You're throwing way too many things all over the room here. It's not convenient for us to answer you which is...well...kind of rude. If you're going to jump around, atleast quote the person you're talking to.

The ability to choose right form wrong is not common sense, it is called conscience dear, and no creature other than a human has it. Feelings are just what they are...feelings.As far as animals are concerned, feelings and instinct are not conscience. Sorry!

"Right and Wrong" can change depending on environment. This works with both humans and animals in many different equations. Animals just rely on instinct more as their minds aren't as developed as ours are.

Believe what you choose. It's your life, even if it is worthless, and without meaning.

We've been over this before. You alone are responsible for giving it how many combinations of meaning you want.

[sgluckadoo]

adaptation

[queenofnines]

I do not make the assumption that I am so smart as to be able to understand all the mysteries of the universe. And I'm O.K. with that.

But that's exactly what religion does by saying, "God did it - case closed."

I haven't once called any of you ignorant or closed-minded.

That's good because that would be very dishonest of you to do so.  Ignorance comes from a purposeful lack of knowledge, and close-mindedness is being unwilling to consider realities that might not make you feel good.  Most atheists/agnostics used to be believers until they increased their KNOWLEDGE.

I have only questioned your reasoning for believing so completely in evolution as the origin of the universe(and all within it).

Because I can trust science for technology, medicine, EVERYTHING!

[tzs]

Evolution is Not a "desperate attempt"-its proven scientific fact- and if it were not true, you wouldn't be holding that kitten of yours, because feral cats would have never evolved to become domesticated and trust humans-therefore no pet kitties for you, think about it!!!!!!!!!

She has started trolling again. She has also told us she has some mental issues in the past. You aren't going to get anywhere with her so don't waste your powers of argumenting on someone incapable of learning the reality of things.

Point taken!! Thanks again, its just so hard to resist sometimes!!!!

[templescroll]

  All I would like to add at this point is that it would have to be a cruel God to give us fins, feathers and a tail. Then without reason cast us naked to the ground with nothing more than a coating of pink playdoh to protect our immortal soul.  I mean seriously what was he thinking?!    I believe, that in the process of trying to figure out WTF happened...we as a people, developed language and became Einsteins so that we can curse the living daylights out of god...for eternity. (and thats pretty much what we've done) So, lets just love one another...it was a well designed plan...from any angle. I am glad everything worked out, now, and its so easy to assign blame, but lets just go with the Big Bang Theory...its clear cut, to the point, no guilt and less filling. Why cloud the issue? I mean really...                      I'm happy ...UB happy too!. 

[queenofnines]

All I would like to add at this point is that it would have to be a cruel God to give us fins, feathers and a tail. Then without reason cast us naked to the ground with nothing more than a coating of pink playdoh to protect our immortal soul.  I mean seriously what was he thinking?!    I believe, that in the process of trying to figure out WTF happened...we as a people, developed language and became Einsteins so that we can curse the living daylights out of god...for eternity. (and thats pretty much what we've done) So, lets just love one another...it was a well designed plan...from any angle. I am glad everything worked out, now, and its so easy to assign blame, but lets just go with the Big Bang Theory...its clear cut, to the point, no guilt and less filling. Why cloud the issue? I mean really...                      I'm happy ...UB happy too!. 

...What?

[jordandog]

I have no idea what all that was either, but I guess if you make all your posts in very large letters, with lots of colors and emoticons, it holds more meaning....

[meco4u]

Ok.... this is my opinion on the so called evolution theory... It is nothing more than an attempt by man to disprove the existence of our Heavenly Father. Man has been influenced by evil for thousands and thousands of years, and today those who are so strongly guided by greed, lust, anger, gluttony, pride, vanity, and many other forms of sin have created more ways to try and say that Jahovah, Our Father in Heaven does not truly exist. The term evolution is a derivative of an phrase from satanic cult thousands of years ago that they chanted... the phrase was "evil lives on". I myself have no use for the term in either form, I am a child of God and will speak his praises. I pray for all those who deny Him now, for one day you will know the truth but it may be to late for your soul then.
 

[queenofnines]

I also see a very bad car accident coming your way 

OMG you're crazy.

[queenofnines]

See you Falconer02 are calling me a troll because you realize you can't win in an argument with me so you have to resort to name calling and putting me down. That is sad! You are a sad little boy.

Welcome to the Club of people marieelissa has dubbed "little children", Falc!  It's okay, it's where all of the cool kids hang out, anywayz.   

And the reason he can't "win an argument" with you, marie, is because it's like arguing with a [insert politically-incorrect term for a 'special' person].