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SmartAznBoi

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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2010, 02:19:54 pm »
Being sued?  Well, as of now there isn't any distinct discrimination clause about sexuality.  I believe it is wrong, and that everyone should be allowed to look for a mate regardless of gender (or gender identity) but...  I'm sure, though, that the person suing has an excellent attorney with the ACLU.   Wink  Speaking about same sex marriage in general...I believe that marriage is a religious term, and should not be a legal term.  Should a church allow a marriage and a clergyperson perform a ceremony in concordance with the rules of the religion, then I don't understand why it shouldn't be recognized just the same as any other union between two people committing their lives to one another.  It wasn't forty years ago that many places in this country didn't recognize unions between two different races.  Where is the difference?  Its religious, and, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't freedom of religion outlined in the bill of rights?

Watch this video (2:02): Religion doesn't own marriage (and it never did) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNE616aUx7c&playnext_from=TL&videos=_RBAl-csz-Y

What is interesting in my young lifetime is that I am witnessing the same sort of segregation that happened just a few decades ago (back then it was black people who were "unnatural" and "unworthy").  Gays WILL be allowed to marry across the United States, definitely in my lifetime, it's only a matter of time before the government admits they are pulling the same sh*t that they did with the blacks.  So all you homophobes get ready because it IS going to happen, probably within the next 10-15 years, if not much sooner.  It IS going to happen because it is a matter of denying basic human rights to a people group, and that is never right.

Resources:
- It's OK to be gay, dude (arguments against homosexuality being "unnatural", "a choice", etc.) 7:55 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm3cWytGAqw&playnext_from=TL&videos=UfMjqxdxnEU
- Gay on Valentine's Day ? (poem saying what the Bible says) 3:39 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoEZ80C0H8k&playnext_from=TL&videos=RIvW1H1Lej0
- Betty Bowers Explains Traditional Marriage to Everyone Else (what the Bible says about marriage) 4:14 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw&playnext_from=TL&videos=Yajw2MEOrLo
- Reply to a homophobe's censorship - Take a stand ! (follow-up on why it's okay to be gay) 6:37 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8GcgmtriEw&playnext_from=TL&videos=wk-sXNS0T2k

Educate yourself!  Think!

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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2010, 03:21:17 pm »
SmtAznBoi is indeed a Smart Asian Boy. Jolly good show!

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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2010, 06:29:38 pm »
i think you you should do what makes happy

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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2010, 06:52:13 pm »
Being sued?  Well, as of now there isn't any distinct discrimination clause about sexuality.  I believe it is wrong, and that everyone should be allowed to look for a mate regardless of gender (or gender identity) but...  I'm sure, though, that the person suing has an excellent attorney with the ACLU.   Wink  Speaking about same sex marriage in general...I believe that marriage is a religious term, and should not be a legal term.  Should a church allow a marriage and a clergyperson perform a ceremony in concordance with the rules of the religion, then I don't understand why it shouldn't be recognized just the same as any other union between two people committing their lives to one another.  It wasn't forty years ago that many places in this country didn't recognize unions between two different races.  Where is the difference?  Its religious, and, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't freedom of religion outlined in the bill of rights?

Watch this video (2:02): Religion doesn't own marriage (and it never did) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNE616aUx7c&playnext_from=TL&videos=_RBAl-csz-Y

What is interesting in my young lifetime is that I am witnessing the same sort of segregation that happened just a few decades ago (back then it was black people who were "unnatural" and "unworthy").  Gays WILL be allowed to marry across the United States, definitely in my lifetime, it's only a matter of time before the government admits they are pulling the same sh*t that they did with the blacks.  So all you homophobes get ready because it IS going to happen, probably within the next 10-15 years, if not much sooner.  It IS going to happen because it is a matter of denying basic human rights to a people group, and that is never right.

Resources:
- It's OK to be gay, dude (arguments against homosexuality being "unnatural", "a choice", etc.) 7:55 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm3cWytGAqw&playnext_from=TL&videos=UfMjqxdxnEU
- Gay on Valentine's Day ? (poem saying what the Bible says) 3:39 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoEZ80C0H8k&playnext_from=TL&videos=RIvW1H1Lej0
- Betty Bowers Explains Traditional Marriage to Everyone Else (what the Bible says about marriage) 4:14 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw&playnext_from=TL&videos=Yajw2MEOrLo
- Reply to a homophobe's censorship - Take a stand ! (follow-up on why it's okay to be gay) 6:37 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8GcgmtriEw&playnext_from=TL&videos=wk-sXNS0T2k

Educate yourself!  Think!

Uh, thanks for copy-pasting part of my post (all the YouTube videos and associated sentences).  Was this intentional?
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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2010, 06:56:02 pm »
naaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh....................

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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2010, 10:55:21 pm »
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Uh, thanks for copy-pasting part of my post (all the YouTube videos and associated sentences).  Was this intentional?

Hahaha he did that!? Wow I didn't even see that! Well atleast it's bringing it to the front, right?

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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2010, 08:32:05 am »
Hahaha he did that!? Wow I didn't even see that! Well atleast it's bringing it to the front, right?

Yeah, it might have been an accident...you know how proficient people are with their BB Code quotes around here.  ;)  Good to have them posted again, yes!
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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2010, 05:20:18 am »
What next you can marry an animal?

Really?  Marrying an animal is the same as 2 consenting, human adults getting married?  Sorry, but I don't think a horse or a goat can say "I do." Not that it matters apparently, as some guy in Korea married his pillow.  In any case, E-Harmony sucks and so gays are not missing out on anything.

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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2010, 08:04:44 am »
so i recently heard that E-Harmony was  being sued for not allowing their customers to choose a same sex search.. How does everyone feel about this> Voice your opinion :bunny:
i feel that everything is changing now,is a different world now

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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2010, 08:46:03 pm »
I think homosexuals have a right to be able to get married. The only argument people have against gay marriage is that "it's against the bible". This is why that is a bad argument: the bible was written by man, not God. And the men who wrote the bible wanted people to reproduce so their religion would grow and become more powerful than other religions. They added that no man shall lay with another man thinking that they could force homosexuals to lay with the opposite sex and reproduce for their cause. That's the reason the bible is against homosexuality; for power through population. What do you think the crusades were?

Nowadays the world surely doesn't need a larger population. The earth is actually overpopulated and that is one of the major causes of our damaged environment, poverty, slums, hunger, disease, and such throughout the world.  So I say shame on Octomom and people who reproduce in mass amounts. Praise to the homosexuals and couples with two or less children.

There is nothing wrong with homosexuality and here's a question for those who blindly follow the word of the bible: if the bible is against homosexuality why did God create homosexuals. And if you believe homosexuality is a choice why did God give them the ability to choose?

Think about that and when you're done thinking, here is the answer:

The bible was written by man, not God.  The people who wrote the bible don't know any more about the will of God than you do. So stop blindly following the written words of another man and follow your own beliefs. Interperate the will of God for yourself. Think freely.

PS I take no stance on the existance of God. If you believe in God interperate His will for yourself. If you donnot believe in God then likewise donnot blindly follow the will of another man, agree with other people's morals only if YOU agree with them not just because OTHER people agree. Think freely.
It's hard to take any argument seriously when it begins with blanket statements about the bible that it's not even worth reading the rest of the post.  :bs:

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The bible was written by man, not God.
Ah! But here is the impasse. You live in a false natural/supernatural dichotomous world. I have a narrative of redemption, not progress, and that narrative moves from slavery to inheritance.

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The people who wrote the bible don't know any more about the will of God than you do.
Christianity has been around for 2,000 years and biblical doctrines have been well established and debated serving as the explanation for a Christian belief system. God used people, used councils, brought knowledge to the scripture and we understand the scripture pretty well now because of God working through people, through theologians, in the past to further our understanding of the truth.

As an example, the doctrine of the Trinity has been the orthodox, mainstream position for 1,700 years. It crosses all denominational lines. So when that many great minds of such diversity agree that something is the most biblical, then you have good reason to think it is sound doctrine, and you have good reason to be skeptical of positions which oppose it.

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So stop blindly following the written words of another man...Think freely.
Avoiding that doesn't free you from bias. Such as personal bias, ignorance, sin, cultural bias, etc.

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and follow your own beliefs.
I imagine eventually the biblical concept of the God being triune would have been understood, but, Christian doctrine explains said belief and dropping the explanation for our belief seems a little nonsensical.

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Interperate the will of God for yourself.
This is also a great way to form a cult. If everyone, no matter their level of biblical literacy, just came up with their own interpretation of the scriptures, we'd have chaos. You see that in many countries where missionaries simply converted tribes and then took off.

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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2010, 08:46:41 pm »
I am not for same sex marriage, but at the same time, why is it up to the government to decide. If marriage is a religious institution, shouldn't it be up to the religion to decide whether to allow or dis-allow same sex marriage. Marriage should be just simply that to the government, marriage under the confines of the religions definition.

Which religion's definition??  

What about atheists?
The current issue of "marrying" gays is very different than marrying an atheist. Nothing in scripture goes against marrying a heterosexual atheist couple. I believe marriage is not so intermingled it would create a permanent issue. The problem here is this. If gay marriage goes through with marriage as a convoluted blend of church and state, you get to where discrimination will occur or the first amendment will be violated. It is that simple.

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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2010, 08:47:03 pm »
Why should churches be allowed to discriminate against homosexuals or anyone else for that matter?
The question is:
'Why are Christian Churches' relationship with homosexuality different than relationships with liars, adulterers, greedy persons, or thieves?'
This has accordingly been dealt with.

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Speaking of the past, the Bible was written long ago when intolerance was the norm.  The writers of the Bible added these messages of discrimination and intolerance because they saw nothing wrong with it, it was part of their values.  
As I said before in the previous thread, this issue has already been dealt with.

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I'm not saying that the Bible is only a tool for rationalizing prejudice thoughts.  There are good lessons in the Bible but the Bible was written by Man and Man has flaws.  Don't follow blindly follow the written words of another man, you where given free thought for a reason.
Our doctrine states what Christianity is and is the basis of belief even for the nondenominational and charismatic Christians because the Doctrine of Christianity is merely the explanation of our belief and why we believe it.

If you want to step away from orthodoxy and make your own path you will either find yourself denying Christianity and the truths of it which were painstakingly sought out, or you will find yourself understanding what you slandered in your naivete.

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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2010, 08:50:15 am »
I believe same sex marriages she not be permitted, in my opionion. The instiution of marriage is between a man & a women. God created Adam & Eve, Not Adam & Steve.

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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2010, 10:01:58 am »
This is the 20th century.  My two cents worth is  as long as the people that are getting married love each other and believe in their vows then so be it.

Personally after two arranged marriages by my mother (Amish and my dad French).  I vowed that I don't need a piece of paper to be with the person I love.  A marriage license is not going to make the person more loyal to you.  If a person's love isn't good enough to keep you together than that love won't last by having it legalized in a form of a marriage license.
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Re: HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT SAME SEX MARRIGE?? ICE BREAKER
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2010, 03:05:50 pm »
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I believe same sex marriages she not be permitted, in my opionion. The instiution of marriage is between a man & a women. God created Adam & Eve, Not Adam & Steve.

In order to be rational here and for the sake of this thread in general, you cannot believe in the Adam and Eve story as it has many traits of a fairy tale. Let's not get into that too far though.

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The instiution of marriage is between a man & a women

Change is a key word here.

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If a person's love isn't good enough to keep you together than that love won't last by having it legalized in a form of a marriage license.

We can say that for heterosexual and homosexual so good point. But as far as a marriage license goes, it has certain aspects that are different from just living together (taxes for instance).

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