Has the Anti-Christ arrived?

[klkwid]

I think that's a good point, Darklable, and I agree.  Seems like the Catholic church is the one that always is the most corrupt, but they may also just be the ones who have the hardest time keepping it under wraps-the other denomonations might have trouble too, but they might be able to hide it better.  (I think I still agree that the Catholics have the most stuff (ie the antichrist and the apocalypse) going on in the inside, though)
I also want to add that we aren't SUPPOSED to know when this stuff is going on, so I really think that it's all going to boil down to a matter of what we all believe individually.  Affiliation with a certain church or religion isn't going to save anyone.  So many churches are so corrupt now that it makes it very hard to tell what's what anymore!  I really think that this is what pushes a lot of people away from religion altogether-they see how corrupt these places are from the outside and they see how the individuals act-including bashing each other and their holier-than-thou attitudes and they say they want no part of it.  Who's right and who's wrong?  No point in debating it because we're not going to change each other's opinions! 

[FuzzyCottonsocks]

I may be pissing a lot of people off here but I'd like to point out something...
I saw that some people think it's the entire government. Ok.

Doesn't the bible say that the anti-christ will claim to lead people to God? Doesn't it say it will impress people with works of magic (or as they could be called... MIRACLES?)? Doesn't it say that though the anti-christ will act like it is great it will do things behind closed doors that are awful?

So please don't take offense to this (and sorry in advance if you do) but honestly doesn't some of the papacy and some of the catholic church in general fall under these guidelines?..  the church claims it leads people to God. They perform miracles like "healing people" and stuff.. And as for behind closed doors.. How about all the children that have been molested? Then the people who commit this act are just moved somewhere else? All seems a bit strange to me. I could be wrong but if there is an anti-christ isn't that an honest possibility?

I heard something about an unholy trinity.  The false prophet that can perform miracles, the anti-christ, and the devil himself.  I forget where I saw that.  Probably the History Channel.  I also think there was supposedly a message from the Virgin Mary saying that a pope would lead his flock to slaughter at the hands of the anti-christ.  Now I have to look all this stuff up.  lol 

[teflonfanatic]

If you compare all the religions and the denominations of all those religions to Babylon's traits you can easily weed out the false practices. The 6 traits of Babylon(false religion) are triad of gods(TRINA), immortality of the soul(life after death), Image worship(idolatry), hellfire(eternal torment), Position of priesthood(huge division between common man and clergy). Practice of astrology, divination, magic, and sorcery.

Quote from fuzzy:  I heard something about an unholy trinity.  The false prophet that can perform miracles, the anti-christ, and the devil himself.  I forget where I saw that.  Probably the History Channel.  I also think there was supposedly a message from the Virgin Mary saying that a pope would lead his flock to slaughter at the hands of the anti-christ.  Now I have to look all this stuff up.  lol 

AHEM, According to 1 John 2:18 there are many Antichrists. According to 1 John 4:3 the Antichrist is already here.

So, the Antichrist is a collection of many Antichrists and not just one. Seriously did you guys read my post earlier? Who am I kidding of course you didn't read it so i'll just post the scrips in full detail. All scriptures are from NWT unless states otherwise.

1 John 2:18 reads Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as YOU  have heard that Antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many Antichrists; from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour.

1 John 4:3 reads 3  but every inspired expression that does not confess Jesus does not originate with God. Furthermore, this is the Antichrist [inspired expression] which YOU have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world.

1 John 2:22(NWT) reads 22  Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the Antichrist, the one that denies the Father and the Son.

So let's review again, the Antichrist is not one but collectively the Antichrist, the history channel is lying about the Antichrist's position because they don't want to bring reproach upon the government. The Antichrist is also people that doesn't confess or acknowledge that Jesus is the son of god and the anointed of god(christ).  All religions and denoms fall under 1 John 2:22 including christendom's because they say Jesus was never anointed or given authority(unknowingly) and thus he never was exalted by YHWH/JHVH/YAHWEH/JEHOVAH/THE LORD/GOD ALMIGHTY/THE FATHER.

As for the unholy trinity thing they where referring to Revelation 16:14

Dragon=Satan
Wild beast= World's political system(U.N.)
False prophet= 2 horned beast that helps promote the wild beast(nationalism)

[Falconer02]

Dragon=Satan
Wild beast= World's political system(U.N.)
False prophet= 2 horned beast that helps promote the wild beast(nationalism)

I quoted this at the bottom of Teflons post just so people will hopefully read this first and not his whole random interpretation of something that does not exist. A dragon, people! A dragon!

the history channel is lying about the Antichrist's position because they don't want to bring reproach upon the government

Yes. The same network that is constantly bashing the government because they're withholding evidence of aliens. I'm sure we can take them seriously with that criteria under their belt. Maybe they're just smart and don't want to mix religion with politics too much? Maybe they do it because they acknowledge there's more than 1 religion out there and don't want to shine one brighter than the other-- you know? To be respectful? I've seen them pull that stuff before. That seems ridiculously more plausable than your conspiracy theory. Think before you type.

The Antichrist is also people that doesn't confess or acknowledge that Jesus is the son of god and the anointed of god(christ).

So pretty much everyone that does not think the exact way you do. Typical narrow-mindedness.

[teflonfanatic]

Dragon=Satan
Wild beast= World's political system(U.N.)
False prophet= 2 horned beast that helps promote the wild beast(nationalism)

I quoted this at the bottom of Teflons post just so people will hopefully read this first and not his whole random interpretation of something that does not exist. A dragon, people! A dragon!

the history channel is lying about the Antichrist's position because they don't want to bring reproach upon the government

Yes. The same network that is constantly bashing the government because they're withholding evidence of aliens. I'm sure we can take them seriously with that criteria under their belt. Maybe they're just smart and don't want to mix religion with politics too much? Maybe they do it because they acknowledge there's more than 1 religion out there and don't want to shine one brighter than the other-- you know? To be respectful? I've seen them pull that stuff before. That seems ridiculously more plausable than your conspiracy theory. Think before you type.

The Antichrist is also people that doesn't confess or acknowledge that Jesus is the son of god and the anointed of god(christ).

So pretty much everyone that does not think the exact way you do. Typical narrow-mindedness.

1. Commonsense would tell you it's not literal, even I know dragons don't spit out frogs and water etc. I feel  sorry for you since you think Jesus is a liar by saying the Devil never existed.

2. Alien conspiracy is ridiculed and not accepted so it doesn't matter as much as biblical prophecy which is more accepted.

3. Wrong not the way I think or even what my denom thinks the word Christ means anointed and the term son of god is applied to angels(job 1:6) and humans who have an angelic calling(first resurrection). Again if Jesus was never exalted(anointed) by his father and always had equal power to the father then he's not the Christ because he was NEVER giving power.

[ro901]

I think that's a good point, Darklable, and I agree.  Seems like the Catholic church is the one that always is the most corrupt, but they may also just be the ones who have the hardest time keepping it under wraps-the other denomonations might have trouble too, but they might be able to hide it better.  (I think I still agree that the Catholics have the most stuff (ie the antichrist and the apocalypse) going on in the inside, though)
I also want to add that we aren't SUPPOSED to know when this stuff is going on, so I really think that it's all going to boil down to a matter of what we all believe individually.  Affiliation with a certain church or religion isn't going to save anyone.  So many churches are so corrupt now that it makes it very hard to tell what's what anymore!  I really think that this is what pushes a lot of people away from religion altogether-they see how corrupt these places are from the outside and they see how the individuals act-including bashing each other and their holier-than-thou attitudes and they say they want no part of it.  Who's right and who's wrong?  No point in debating it because we're not going to change each other's opinions! 

Good point. Having not read the entire thread yet, I haven't seen mention of the prophecy that the antiChrist will come AFTER the temple is rebuit in Israel.

[Falconer02]

Commonsense would tell you it's not literal, even I know dragons don't spit out frogs and water etc

Well I must apologize then...but with your history, I thought differently.

I feel  sorry for you since you think Jesus is a liar by saying the Devil never existed.

Can you prove he exists without Nostradamus-type reasonings from your aged man-made book talking of a dragon and wild beasts? I need supernatural evidence. If not, it's more obvious that you're being fooled.

Alien conspiracy is ridiculed and not accepted so it doesn't matter as much as biblical prophecy which is more accepted.

Oh it's definately more accepted, but biblical prophecy isn't ridiculed? This coming from a man whose church has a long history of failing to predict things?

Wrong not the way I think or even what my denom thinks the word Christ means anointed and the term son of god is applied to angels(job 1:6) and humans who have an angelic calling(first resurrection). Again if Jesus was never exalted(anointed) by his father and always had equal power to the father then he's not the Christ because he was NEVER giving power.

Because you think you have all the answers down to the technicalities, nobody really cares. Keep your head in the sand and your eyes magnified on the bible and keep forgetting how you look in the eyes of everyone else that have different beliefs. Others will deal with reality and hopefully as a whole we can get passed these silly myths that preach looking forward to the end.

[teflonfanatic]

People care you just don't care. There's still several billion people that do care although there knowledge really isn't accurate. Although I don't do spiritism it's not hard to youtube demonic events and watch them, obviously malevolent spirits are doing that and not benevolent ones. Ouija board crap and other spiritism helps proof malevolent spirits as well.

Just cause the bible talks about mythical creatures(that you obviously misinterpret) and miraculous things happen beyond your understanding doesn't mean it's not worth following especially if you believe Jesus never lied.

@quote: Oh it's definitely more accepted, but biblical prophecy isn't ridiculed? This coming from a man whose church has a long history of failing to predict things?

Yeah your right it's ridiculed but it is accepted, the alien conspiracy just proves that early man was just as advanced if not more advanced then we are today :-D Everytime you say "failed prophecy" i'll just say venerate babylon's teachings the least just to get you more upset and have you rant about who cares :-D

@quote: because you think you have all the answers down to the technicalities, nobody really cares. Keep your head in the sand and your eyes magnified on the bible and keep forgetting how you look in the eyes of everyone else. Others will deal with reality and hopefully as a whole we can get passed these silly myths that preach looking forward to the end.

I honestly don't care how I look in the eyes of everyone else but I do try to see how they look at the bible and what it says and other holy books and religion. What you call real is thinking that this technology which according to alien conspiracy already existed in early cultures :-D is going to be able to cause long lasting peace and paradise on this earth. Yeah the paradise will last just as long as a cult plain. I know about the zeitgeist paradise plans etc.

[Falconer02]

People care you just don't care. There's still several billion people that do care although there knowledge really isn't accurate. Although I don't do spiritism it's not hard to youtube demonic events and watch them, obviously malevolent spirits are doing that and not benevolent ones. Ouija board crap and other spiritism helps proof malevolent spirits as well.

Let me be more indepth then-- people don't care about all the technicalities you keep bringing up. You keep adding and adding bible verses thinking it's helping your argument when you aren't even looking at the foundation of what you're preaching-- general mythology. Now that you're bringing up spiritism and your belief that there is actually a devil destroys any rational argument you could make. You're using delusional toys as a way to strengthen what you're saying...c'mon... Have you ever tried a ouija board? It's on par with looking in a mirror and saying "*bleep* Mary" 3 times. It's childish. You're using that as a target.

Just cause the bible talks about mythical creatures(that you obviously misinterpret) and miraculous things happen beyond your understanding doesn't mean it's not worth following

With this reasoning...let's pretend Jack and the Beanstalk fit into the bible. You wouldn't question it but actually implore the belief in it even though there's no evidence and it's full of crazy happenings? Relate this to parting a sea, walking on water, magic healing powers, talking snake, dirt man, rib woman, etc. and tell me what you think. I understand your faith does not allow much for it, but I'd like for you to step out of your bubble and hear your explanation in your own words.

the alien conspiracy just proves that early man was just as advanced if not more advanced then we are today

Everytime you say "failed prophecy" i'll just say venerate babylon's teachings the least just to get you more upset and have you rant about who cares :-D

Upset? Your church has a history of failing in this manner. Your beliefs speak for themselves in this forum. It's not upsetting. I'm glad for anyone who reads your or my posts.

I honestly don't care how I look in the eyes of everyone else but I do try to see how they look at the bible and what it says and other holy books and religion. What you call real is thinking that this technology which according to alien conspiracy already existed in early cultures :-D is going to be able to cause long lasting peace and paradise on this earth. Yeah the paradise will last just as long as a cult plain.

No more with the alien thing...what are you talking about? Again, you've twisted my words to mean something else. It was just an example about the history channel 'covering up' things. They don't. They usually spell the object of interest out decently but they do choose a side out of respect. I saw a documentary on hell and half way through they proved it didn't exist. And then at the end they played the "who knows!? It might exist!" card. Anyways, you should care what others think when it pertains to beliefs that are public and preached. I hope I don't need to explain why.

I know about the zeitgeist paradise plans etc

What are you talking about?

[jordandog]

Falconer,
The Zeitgeist Movement/Organization was established to aid the transition from a monetary based economy to a resource-based economy. They want us to do away with all monetary forms and instead, trade resources. They also want all jobs to be automated so that no humans are required to do repetitive tasks.  All information would be gathered and stored by 'Artificial Intelligence' because humans only use a portion of their brains and we 'forget things'. There would be no ownership of properties, but would instead be one of universal access, all would have the same rights to any properties anywhere in the world. There is much more to the movement, I can't possibly put it all down here. It is, IMHO, something that sounds like the founders were into too much LSD and ate way too many 'rooms. 

[Falconer02]

Falconer,
The Zeitgeist Movement/Organization was established to aid the transition from a monetary based economy to a resource-based economy. They want us to do away with all monetary forms and instead, trade resources. They also want all jobs to be automated so that no humans are required to do repetitive tasks.  All information would be gathered and stored by 'Artificial Intelligence' because humans only use a portion of their brains and we 'forget things'. There would be no ownership of properties, but would instead be one of universal access, all would have the same rights to any properties anywhere in the world. There is much more to the movement, I can't possibly put it all down here. It is, IMHO, something that sounds like the founders were into too much LSD and ate way too many 'rooms.  Cool

Thanks, JD. I did not know that! It sounds like Star Trek mixed with The Matrix. Cool. And more plausable than what a lot of christians want for anyone who does not believe what they believe...

(notice Will Smith in the lower right of the 1st picture! WOAH!)

[jordandog]

You're welcome, Falconer! I am a bottomless pit of useless trivia, but it does come in handy at times. Kinda creepy cause that does look like Will Smith, eh?!

[dell9031]

Anti-Christ was Nero...arrived centuries ago.....

[Falconer02]

I am a bottomless pit of useless trivia, but it does come in handy at times.

I would not call that information useless at all.

Anti-Christ was Nero...arrived centuries ago.....

Tell us more about this! Briefly if you wish.

[jordandog]

It's a mans number and you need to take it to buy or sell...If the social security number ever got marked on your forehead or hand or even a barcode or simply 666 then something is happening.

What is "a man's number"? Take it to buy or sell what? "Social security number getting marked on a forehead"....what the hell are you even talking about?!