I do NOT believe in god

[lbeery]

Yes, religion is a very touchy subject.  What I can't explain are miracles and when you become aware of one it is really hard not to derive that there is a greater oversight than humans supply for themselves.  But, no matter if you believe in GOD or not, if you will live in trust of yourself and others we will all be alright. 

[queenofnines]

What I can't explain are miracles and when you become aware of one it is really hard not to derive that there is a greater oversight than humans supply for themselves.  But, no matter if you believe in GOD or not, if you will live in trust of yourself and others we will all be alright. 

Can you give examples of some of these "miracles"?  In the case of an illness such as cancer, yes, sometimes it does get better on its own because our bodies can be pretty kick-*bleep* when it comes to surviving physical stress.  But...how can you call it a loving event "from god" when one person survives cancer, but millions of others die?  Why help so few people?

And billions of people don't think you'll be alright if you choose the wrong god or live the wrong life in his eyes.  I'm just sayin'.

[ro901]

You certainly have the right to believe or not believe anything at all and that is not my problem...that is YOUR problem. So what if you don't want to believe? So what? Who cares? It is your life. believe whatever you want to believe and not believe whatever you do not want to believe....but you are wrong to try to invalidate what someone else wants to believe.
From the time that man has walked the earth, he has needed something to believe in and if he created a God to believe in so that he could find some reason to continue his earthly existence against all the forces of nature, then so be it..why should he not have a God to believe in? Just go on about your purposeless, meaningless existence and feel pity on us  who have chosen to believe in something other than our pittyful little meaningless selves. Okay? Have a wonderful day without God!

[queenofnines]

why should he not have a God to believe in? Just go on about your purposeless, meaningless existence and feel pity on us  who have chosen to believe in something other than our pittyful little meaningless selves. Okay? Have a wonderful day without God!

Heh! 

Yeah, I don't really have a problem with those who say they believe in god but don't allow it to affect their everyday life too much.  *But* our beliefs inform our actions, and it can be hard to not have something as defining as a belief in god alter your lifestyle and behaviors in some way.  The people who fly into buildings, blow up abortion clinics, beat up gays, stop medical research, harass people by "witnessing" to them, etc. etc. do so because they think their religion grants them permission to do so.  And even if you're one of the more civil believers, you're still supporting the group at large by being part of the same belief system.

[ro901]

why should he not have a God to believe in? Just go on about your purposeless, meaningless existence and feel pity on us  who have chosen to believe in something other than our pittyful little meaningless selves. Okay? Have a wonderful day without God!

oKAY...IF it makes you feel better, there is no God! Now, enjoy!

Heh! 

Yeah, I don't really have a problem with those who say they believe in god but don't allow it to affect their everyday life too much.  *But* our beliefs inform our actions, and it can be hard to not have something as defining as a belief in god alter your lifestyle and behaviors in some way.  The people who fly into buildings, blow up abortion clinics, beat up gays, stop medical research, harass people by "witnessing" to them, etc. etc. do so because they think their religion grants them permission to do so.  And even if you're one of the more civil believers, you're still supporting the group at large by being part of the same belief system.

[ro901]

"people who fly into buildings, blow up abortion clinics, beat up gays".......ok..now I'm ready to puke.

[jordandog]

"people who fly into buildings, blow up abortion clinics, beat up gays".......ok..now I'm ready to puke.

Are you denying that most (not all) of these types of events have occured at the hands of/are driven by religious factions? If you are, I find that to be an impossible argument when they are so quick to advertise who they are, why it goes against their beliefs, and what part of their religion has told them these are things that need to be done.

[darklable]

"people who fly into buildings, blow up abortion clinics, beat up gays".......ok..now I'm ready to puke.

Are you denying that most (not all) of these types of events have occured at the hands of/are driven by religious factions? If you are, I find that to be an impossible argument when they are so quick to advertise who they are, why it goes against their beliefs, and what part of their religion has told them these are things that need to be done.

That's arguable.  Though a lot of these things are done by these people who claim that their God or religion told them to do it there are a number of these events that had nothing to do with religion. Abortion clinics have been blown up worldwide by people who just want to take lives, it's an easy target with a lot of victims. Same goes for hospitals that get blown up. Not all people who "beat up gays" are religious. A group of "neo-nazis" (as they are calling themselves) who are highly pronounced atheists at my school went out and attacked all of the homosexuals that they could find. And as for the people who fly into buildings... Yeah that's mostly religious as far as I've seen. Except for that guy who flew into that IRS building over taxes and stuff.

So yes a lot of people who do these things do it because of their religion, but I think it's safe to say that not all of them are.

And in response to the original topic: Good for you. I don't see why it's such a big deal to religious believers (or at least believers in major religions) when someone is atheist.  And vice-versa.  Why shouldn't people just be able to believe whatever they want without getting crap from people who believe something different? I don't know how others feel but that's what I think, believe what makes sense to you.

PS: I'm personally a form of neo-pagan. So don't try to peg me on either side of the whole atheist v. major religion believers argument because my beliefs put me in-between.  BTW on a completely unrelated note I would like to personally thank everyone who posts on discussions such as these and bring up interesting and thought-provoking topics and pieces of information (ie: queenofnines,Falconer02, etc.) because (with the exclusion of people who just have to be jerks and trolls and whatnot) I like to have and read/listen to intelligent discussions. Hard for me to find this normally so it thrills me they exist on here.

[queenofnines]

So yes a lot of people who do these things do it because of their religion, but I think it's safe to say that not all of them are.

Well yes, she did say that.  I think the rest of the cases can be attributed to people who were neglected in some way as children, have poor living conditions, and/or bad education.  Or they're just nuts in general.

I don't see why it's such a big deal to religious believers (or at least believers in major religions) when someone is atheist.

Bcos' athyists R gona go 2 that ther hell place.  They dissrespect R Lawd!

And vice-versa.

Because people who believe things that aren't true are in my government.  To name one of *many* reasons.

I would like to personally thank everyone who posts on discussions such as these and bring up interesting and thought-provoking topics and pieces of information (ie: queenofnines,Falconer02, etc.) because (with the exclusion of people who just have to be jerks and trolls and whatnot) I like to have and read/listen to intelligent discussions. Hard for me to find this normally so it thrills me they exist on here.

Aw, thanks!  Glad you are listening and enjoying.  I was starting to fear that this place is only filled with people wanting to make a few quick bucks and the deepest they go is answering questions like, "Do you roll your toilet paper over OR under?"  

[mwybu]

Figured all these people are posting about how they think god exists and blah, blah, blah.......so I thought I'd create my own topic.
I do not believe nor will I ever.  You can preach and testimony all you want, I grew up a Catholic, and was one until about two years ago.  I have researched, studied, and believed until that point.  I know alllll about being a christian, faith, god, etc.
Personally, I don't believe anyone should rub it into anyone's face that they are goin to hell for not believing...
That they are wrong for not believing...
That the person preaching is better than the non-believers or feels sorry for the non-believers because they don't believe...

Everyone is equal.  We need to respect ourselves, respect our fellow man, and respect our earth before we give respect to some statue who we 'think' died on a piece of wood.  Doesn't the bible tell you not to worship man-made idols?  Well, were you there at the time of christ?  Isn't the bible a tool of a man-made idol IE the cross?  Isn't the figure of your christ on a cross in churches an idol?  Furthermore, how do christians believe so differently amongst themselves...IE..Baptists, Catholics, Etc....... They all condemn each other because they all interpret the bible differently.  It's all very silly to me.  I believe in equality, I belive in peace and justice and love.  I don't believe there is some evil(my definition) person waiting for me at some pearly gates telling me that I lived badly so he can send me to hell.  Too many evil doers, injustices, and just plain nastyness in this would to suggest to me that someone is watching over us. 

Do you believe there is a higher power or divine creator who created all of us?

[ButterflyWings]

First I want to thank you for this post...I think everyone should believe in what they want and not force feed anyone on anything..I appreciate this alot I am tired of being told because I do not attend church or force my kids I will go to hell..Please I do not come to your homes and force my religious or non religious beliefs on you so don't force them on me..

[queenofnines]

I am tired of being told because I do not attend church or force my kids I will go to hell..

Fortunately, there is no hell.  Don't listen to anyone who tries to scare you with empty threats.  They want to control you and they want your money.

[ButterflyWings]

I agree queen scare tatics do not work its the principal of hearing grown adults say this trash and honest believe it worries me when in all reality I could care less.My kids on the other hand thats when I become livid

[ButterflyWings]

I did not say my kids were going to hell I said people so called church people so umm please do not turn it around and say I do not know god you have no clue what I believe or know..Please read what I said before responding as for a gun to my head did I say that but they do come to my house trying to give me pamphlets and there are other people in my life who chose to make it there goal to push the issue and sorry I will not walk away from them I tell them where I stand and if they chose to keep on with the issue then I take the action I feel is necessary..

[queenofnines]

I did not say my kids were going to hell I said people so called church people so umm please do not turn it around and say I do not know god you have no clue what I believe or know..Please read what I said before responding as for a gun to my head did I say that but they do come to my house trying to give me pamphlets and there are other people in my life who chose to make it there goal to push the issue and sorry I will not walk away from them I tell them where I stand and if they chose to keep on with the issue then I take the action I feel is necessary..

I can assume this is a response to something that marieelissa attacked you for and then conveniently deleted...pay no attention to her; she loves to cause trouble.