I do NOT believe in god

[teflonfanatic]

2. The rewards back then was life itself, you served him correctly you lived you didn't you died that was that.  There's always a reason however, shame he gave his son for us all and all you can think about is the mosiac law which no one is under, he was kind enough to remove that law something WE DEFINITELY DON'T DESERVE.

3. If seeing a papyrus that's a couple of thousand years ago doesn't strengthen one's faith I don't know what does. Conspiracy theory with the wild beasts?

4. Man after tower of babel was built religion got broken off into many smaller often sun-worship esque religions.

5. I don't know any other christian denomination during the world wars that suffered imprisonment for 1260 days.  Can you tell me at least one??

6. There is no little blue book from the 80's the creation book was made in the 90's anyway mankind's search for god will really help you understand how the different views of religion came about including your sumerian DOGMA.   

[queenofnines]

Is it because of one of these reasons you don't believe in the almighty?
1. Not relevant or logical
2. Everyone kills in the name of religion
3. People make money off of religion or it's a tradition thing
4. People all over the world don't believe the same thing

Are any of this the reason you guys don't believe?

There are literally hundreds of reasons I don't believe in god, not just one primary reason.  The ones listed above certainly factor in there, but like I said, there are hundreds more.  Also having been a true subscriber to the god mindset in the past helps me see how delusional it is.

[queenofnines]

Would you call it more of a motivation or an addiction to not eating in this case?

Addiction.

I'll second this too with a quick story. My neighbor growing up didn't like the idea of my family being JW (evangelical nutcase story here). So she prayed on and off for what was probably years. Years after I stopped going, my parents quit going and my mom strangely started studying in Mormonism (ugh...). So one day I was talking to my neighbor about how they quit and she just put her hand on her heart and raised her voice "Oh my god! My prayers were answered! I was praying for so long for them to get out of that place!" and then I smiled and said "Yeah. She's a mormon now!" and her face went from  to  and I started laughing. She thought I was joking. But I hope that was some form of wake up call to her in the form of this quote above.

That's funny. 

Seems this thread has quieted down lately...some people aren't coming around anymore. 

[Falconer02]

The rewards back then was life itself, you served him correctly you lived you didn't you died that was that.  There's always a reason however, shame he gave his son for us all and all you can think about is the mosiac law which no one is under, he was kind enough to remove that law something WE DEFINITELY DON'T DESERVE.

From our standpoints, you're living a non-existant burden. We don't deserve to not be threatened by an immature god who has a fascination to murder people that don't agree with him? Correction- we don't deserve to be threatened by an invisible force who is capable of such horrific atrocities.

If seeing a papyrus that's a couple of thousand years ago doesn't strengthen one's faith I don't know what does. Conspiracy theory with the wild beasts?

It's old paper. From what I understand, the only significance of it was for comparisons from the original texts to what we have now. Old myths from thousands of years ago are still myths.

Man after tower of babel was built religion got broken off into many smaller often sun-worship esque religions.

...or could this possibly be a convenient way to summarize why we have different languages? If you were to watch that 2-minute youtube video I sent earlier, you would understand completely what I mean. Unless you have any formal education in linguistics history?

I don't know any other christian denomination during the world wars that suffered imprisonment for 1260 days.  Can you tell me at least one??

Why did you post this? Don't play the sympathy card here. JW's always use this example. There's no reason for it.

There is no little blue book from the 80's the creation book was made in the 90's anyway mankind's search for god will really help you understand how the different views of religion came about including your sumerian DOGMA.   

What does this new one look like?

[teflonfanatic]

The rewards back then was life itself, you served him correctly you lived you didn't you died that was that.  There's always a reason however, shame he gave his son for us all and all you can think about is the mosiac law which no one is under, he was kind enough to remove that law something WE DEFINITELY DON'T DESERVE.

From our standpoints, you're living a non-existant burden. We don't deserve to not be threatened by an immature god who has a fascination to murder people that don't agree with him? Correction- we don't deserve to be threatened by an invisible force who is capable of such horrific atrocities.

If seeing a papyrus that's a couple of thousand years ago doesn't strengthen one's faith I don't know what does. Conspiracy theory with the wild beasts?

It's old paper. From what I understand, the only significance of it was for comparisons from the original texts to what we have now. Old myths from thousands of years ago are still myths.

Man after tower of babel was built religion got broken off into many smaller often sun-worship esque religions.

...or could this possibly be a convenient way to summarize why we have different languages? If you were to watch that 2-minute youtube video I sent earlier, you would understand completely what I mean. Unless you have any formal education in linguistics history?

I don't know any other christian denomination during the world wars that suffered imprisonment for 1260 days.  Can you tell me at least one??

Why did you post this? Don't play the sympathy card here. JW's always use this example. There's no reason for it.

There is no little blue book from the 80's the creation book was made in the 90's anyway mankind's search for god will really help you understand how the different views of religion came about including your sumerian DOGMA.  

What does this new one look like?

1. We definietely deserve to be subject to our creator who made everything for us, the fact that he gave Adam and Eve and everyone else a choice to serve him proves his loving kindness. However, disobeying the creator back then was denying your life, it was the main punishment for Adam and Eve after they ate the fruit.

Genesis 2:1 reads 16  And Jehovah God also laid this command upon the man: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. 17  But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.”  They had plenty to eat from besides that tree, but Satan intervened and Adam and Eve believed the lie and they sinned.  

Genesis 3:4 Reads 4  At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die. 5  For God knows that in the very day of YOUR eating from it YOUR eyes are bound to be opened and YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad.”

Even then some people will still comeback even if they didn't serve God, they may have been just good people.

Acts 24:15 15  and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

If Acts 24:15 and the fact that he gave  his only begotten son for our sins in John 3:16 doesn't prove that he is not partial, I don't know what does.

2. Myths? Do you want me to show you some prophecies that came true in bible times and are being fulfilled today?

3. It was far more then a summary of how different languages came about it was the birth of the babylon, babylonish religions and "babylon the great's" many other teachings which all people should know and study christian or not. That way you won't get trapped in it's teachings.

4. Oh it's far more than playing the sympathy card it's outright prophecy. Many historians outside the JW's will tell you how the JW's zealously preached the good news during the wars, remain politically neutral and stood firm to their faith even under imprisonment for 1260 days. The rest of the christians supported the wars and the ones that did not support the war did not preach.  In no way is the holy city literal as the holy city got destroyed and this "trampling lasted more then 1260 days", hebrews tells you that the temple sanctuary or most holy is heaven itself and the inner courtyard represents righteous standing of the holy ones Romans 1:7. Measuring in scripture prophecy means rendering gods standards.

Now that you know the code read Revelation 11:2 please  2  But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple [sanctuary], cast it clear out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.

5. So fine, the book was made in 1990 and it's white with a blue center the principal is still the same, they also have a new DVD about creation that was made last year, the other one mankind's search was made in 1998, only 14 years old it's still good information.

[bigedshult]

yes all u have do is look at every thing a round to see that it could not have happen by chance their had 2 be some one 2 make it be tha way that it is .

[walksalone11]

[Falconer02]

the fact that he gave Adam and Eve and everyone else a choice to serve him proves his loving kindness.

Oh factual is it? Ahh...nostalgia...that's when I remember the good ol' days when I believed the evil talking snake demon and magical happy paradise places and a man made from dirt and a woman made from a rib. As mean as it sounds, I'll say if this is how you're going to start your debates arguing the logic of the bible, I highly recommend rethinking your strategy for convincing every day people. I'm just trying to help you not get as many of those doors shutting infront of you every saturday morning.

2. Myths? Do you want me to show you some prophecies that came true in bible times and are being fulfilled today?

No. I vaguely remember and they were all like the writings of Nostradamus. That mathematical solution to get 1914 had me scratching my head when it was explained to me. Where the variables were taken didn't make any sense. Unless it was written down and explained perfectly and realistically with undeniable precision and not through vague animal-representation or hilariously broad reasonings, you will not convice many.

Many historians outside the JW's will tell you how the JW's zealously preached the good news during the wars, remain politically neutral and stood firm to their faith even under imprisonment for 1260 days. The rest of the christians supported the wars and the ones that did not support the war did not preach.

So you're saying you'd rather have the Third Reich trample over the world rather than have people fight it including those that are christian? Oh, but it's all in the grand plan of things, isn't it? This is all supposed to happen. How convenient.

This is one of the JW's crippling problems in their beliefs. Rather than take part in the world, they simply do nothing besides preach. They are encouraged to not vote, not join any military, not educate themselves and instead "Go Pioneer!" (holy hell I have some horror stories of people),   not take part in any other community but their own, not involve themselves in holidays or birthdays...etc. etc. Every single one of these things is ridiculously fallible and hypocritical seeing it from outside the box of JW's. It's an excuse not to do anything and then sit around and play the blame game to make themselves look most holy. Every single one of the people I grew up with-- now 20 year olds to 60 year olds-- who left that church will tell you the same thing because they were smart enough to figure it out. And, fortunately, the majority of the church-goers did.

Sorry to sound pessimistic above, but I just saw a lot of negative things at that church.

Edit: Erg...yes, Walksalone. Me too.

[queenofnines]

the fact that he gave Adam and Eve and everyone else a choice to serve him proves his loving kindness.

I don't know how believers get off on thinking that believing god is a "choice".  Because if you don't acknowledge god but live an otherwise decent and good life, you're going to burn forever!  Believe = you're cool.  Don't believe = hell fire.  That is not a choice!!

Fortunately, those that are intelligent enough to examine the evidence know that there is no hell or god, anyway. 

Believers...seriously...how can you support the concept of endless torture??  While it's certainly a good brainwashing tool to admit new converts, those who are capable of stopping to think for a sec know that is evidence AGAINST there being a god!

[queenofnines]

yes all u have do is look at every thing a round to see that it could not have happen by chance their had 2 be some one 2 make it be tha way that it is .

Educate yourself!!!  This is not true!

[queenofnines]

Sheryl's prayer

First of all, thanks for taking the time to answer my question.  May I suggest that you start employing the use of paragraph breaks, though, as that will make your material much easier to read.  Thanks.

While it is certainly a fortunate thing that happened for you and you have the right to feel happy, no part of it was evidence for god.  Statistically, there are thousands (if not millions) of people with a similar story that never prayed for it in the first place.  If your story were true, how could an atheist ever have a successful business (many of whom started out with little money as well)?  Everything you described is JUST HOW THE WORLD WORKS.  It is entirely an example of "coincidence of timing" that Christians are so famous for.  Atheists can and do have many "coincidences of timing", too!

Christians count the "hits" of their prayers and ignore the "misses".  What they really need to be thinking about is why god never does anything that is truly miraculous; that is, something that is simply impossible in our physical world, but of course WOULD be possible for god.

[teflonfanatic]

the fact that he gave Adam and Eve and everyone else a choice to serve him proves his loving kindness.

Oh factual is it? Ahh...nostalgia...that's when I remember the good ol' days when I believed the evil talking snake demon and magical happy paradise places and a man made from dirt and a woman made from a rib. As mean as it sounds, I'll say if this is how you're going to start your debates arguing the logic of the bible, I highly recommend rethinking your strategy for convincing every day people. I'm just trying to help you not get as many of those doors shutting infront of you every saturday morning.

2. Myths? Do you want me to show you some prophecies that came true in bible times and are being fulfilled today?

No. I vaguely remember and they were all like the writings of Nostradamus. That mathematical solution to get 1914 had me scratching my head when it was explained to me. Where the variables were taken didn't make any sense. Unless it was written down and explained perfectly and realistically with undeniable precision and not through vague animal-representation or hilariously broad reasonings, you will not convice many.

Many historians outside the JW's will tell you how the JW's zealously preached the good news during the wars, remain politically neutral and stood firm to their faith even under imprisonment for 1260 days. The rest of the christians supported the wars and the ones that did not support the war did not preach.

So you're saying you'd rather have the Third Reich trample over the world rather than have people fight it including those that are christian? Oh, but it's all in the grand plan of things, isn't it? This is all supposed to happen. How convenient.

This is one of the JW's crippling problems in their beliefs. Rather than take part in the world, they simply do nothing besides preach. They are encouraged to not vote, not join any military, not educate themselves and instead "Go Pioneer!" (holy hell I have some horror stories of people),   not take part in any other community but their own, not involve themselves in holidays or birthdays...etc. etc. Every single one of these things is ridiculously fallible and hypocritical seeing it from outside the box of JW's. It's an excuse not to do anything and then sit around and play the blame game to make themselves look most holy. Every single one of the people I grew up with-- now 20 year olds to 60 year olds-- who left that church will tell you the same thing because they were smart enough to figure it out. And, fortunately, the majority of the church-goers did.

Sorry to sound pessimistic above, but I just saw a lot of negative things at that church.

Edit: Erg...yes, Walksalone. Me too.

@Queenofnines: Your right there is no hellfire that's a lie made by the churches and it comes from babylonish teachings and not the bible. Also your right choosing to disobey God was choosing death but it was still a choice. They choose to live a finite and hard life instead of living forever and being around for countless billions of years. The command was not unreasonable, all Adam and Eve had to do was not eat from 1 tree out of a garden that had many trees!!!!! One TREE, that's all they had to do but no, they choose to disobey god by listening to satan's lie and believing that they will be like god, knowing good and bad. I think your reasoning is telling you eaten from one tree did all of that? Quite a severe punishment for one tree? But your wrong see they were perfect, they knew that they were disobeying God, Eve even paraphrased the what God told her!!!!  in Genesis 3:4.  It sucks but through one man sin got passed down to all of us(Romans 6:23).  However through one man God's sovereignty will be vinicated(1 Corinthians 15:20-28) and then we will be free from sin because God's kingdom through Jesus will make us all perfect even if it does take one day in God's eyes which is 1,000 years (Revelation 20:5-6).

1. Satan started out as a snake now he's a full-fledged 7-headed 10-horned dragon who is ruling through the earthly "powers" right now(Revelation 12:3,9)(Revelation 13:2).  As for all life being made from dirt seriously what do all living creation on Earth decompose to?? Oh yeah that's right DIRT. Oh and I will always rely on the bible instead of man-made philosophy, it's a snare that's easy for anyone to fall in it's probably Satan's greatest trap. Oh and please Don't worry about being to mean or anything, I need all the practice I can get before I go door-to-door i'm in theocratic ministry school and not unbaptized publisher yet.

2. Vague animal representation are you serious? It seems like you didn't do a lot of personal studying on your own, correct me if i'm wrong. Ok, i'll show you scriptural proof why the beasts are meant to be taken as political powers. Consider this scripture that talks about the political powers of Media, Persia and Greece before it happen!!!

 Daniel 8:20-22 reads 20  “The ram that you saw possessing the two horns [stands for] the kings of Me´di·a and Persia. 21  And the hairy he-goat [stands for] the king of Greece; and as for the great horn that was between its eyes, it [stands for] the first king. 22  And that one having been broken, so that there were four that finally stood up instead of it, there are four kingdoms from [his] nation that will stand up, but not with his power.

I think conspiracy theorists would agree with this scripture as it tells you that a "two-horned" wild beast or dual power is in charge of the "first" wild beast who got destroyed and then came back or death-stroke got healed as the bible puts it and it should even make "fire" come out of heaven!!!! Weather manipulation??!!! maybe??!!?!!!!! There's plenty of symbols that refer to the U.N. I mean images of the wild beast 0_0. How many times have people been assasinated who didn't agree with the U.S.? Ok, I think you can understand the code now so read please.

(Revelation 13:11-15) 11  And I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth, and it had two horns like a lamb, but it began speaking as a dragon. 12  And it exercises all the authority of the first wild beast in its sight. And it makes the earth and those who dwell in it worship the first wild beast, whose death-stroke got healed. 13  And it performs great signs, so that it should even make fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the sight of mankind.
14 And it misleads those who dwell on the earth, because of the signs that were granted it to perform in the sight of the wild beast, while it tells those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the wild beast that had the sword-stroke and yet revived. 15 And there was granted it to give breath to the image of the wild beast, so that the image of the wild beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who would not in any way worship the image of the wild beast.

3. Lol, all the stuff your complaining about are from the bible.  The kingdoms are Satan's how else could he give Jesus all of these kingdom's if Satan didn't own them. Why should we help the governments I mean kingdoms with the voting. If anything seeing how Bush cheated his way into office should prove this!!!!!! Also I found out that Bush Sr. Financed hitler's war!!!!!! By joining an army to fight in a war christians will be supporting a war that Satan authorized for christians and not God.  Obviously not following Jesus' stance on neutrality.

Matthew 4:8 Reads 8  Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9  and he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” Go back up and read Revelation 13:11-15 again!!!!

There's nothing wrong with education, however too much time away learning in Satan's world could get you mixed up in philosophy.

not take part in any other community but their own. Ok now your slandering. The JW's have supported many disaster reliefs such as the false flag 9/11 attack.

All birthdays and holidays venerate a world ruler or venerate spiritistic teachings, the hallmarks of babylon the great!!!  My dear fallen star revelation reference 0_0 do some research on the holidays as they are nothing but modern-day spiritistic revelries.

Wow I guess your saying the apostles didn't do anything either because they didn't vote, practice spiritistic revelries, didn't get a lot of secular education, didn't join the army ETC... Heck Jesus did a little blame game himself when it came to upholding his father sovereignty even calling some of them the pharisees(who thought Jesus was a trinity btw) and Sadducees hypocrites!  As for preaching all the time that's a lie, when they're not preaching they're inviting people to gatherings, eating at restaurants, going to movies etc.

Hey, everyone has to make the decision whether to be a friend of the world or not. Also everyone must choose who to slave for cause you can't slave for 2 masters(Matthew 6:24). As for majority of Church-goers who are you referring to the JW's or christendom?

[Falconer02]

So I'm going to have to lumberjack your post here...

Satan started out as a snake now he's a full-fledged 7-headed 10-horned dragon who is ruling through the earthly "powers" right now

This is what I was talking about. Your arguments are parallel to explaining the existence of Madusa, Harpies, or the Cyclops from Greek Myth to people if they hear you say this and are skeptical of the bible.

As for all life being made from dirt seriously what do all living creation on Earth decompose to?? Oh yeah that's right DIRT.

This would make sense if we were talking about death. Not life. I'd accept stardust as an answer though!

Oh and I will always rely on the bible instead of man-made philosophy, it's a snare that's easy for anyone to fall in it's probably Satan's greatest trap.

There's nothing wrong with education, however too much time away learning in Satan's world could get you mixed up in philosophy.

What a convenient cop-out to shield yourself from education, personal thought, and human advancement. If you were alive 500 years ago, I'd wager a lot on you praising the house-arrest of Galileo due to his findings not aligning with the bibles philosophy.

It seems like you didn't do a lot of personal studying on your own, correct me if i'm wrong.

Granted it has been a long time, but I remember a bit of it. And these are all vague animal descriptions that could be aligned with any (to-be) historical significance just like the writings of Nostradamus.

Why should we help the governments I mean kingdoms with the voting. If anything seeing how Bush cheated his way into office should prove this!!!!!! Also I found out that Bush Sr. Financed hitler's war!!!!!! By joining an army to fight in a war christians will be supporting a war that Satan authorized for christians and not God.  Obviously not following Jesus' stance on neutrality.

Hitlers war? Are you implying we're trying some sort of manifest-destiny in the Middle East? Bush 'cheating' his way into office was a wake up call to Americans. A lot of our countries younger generation, including me, did not vote and then this happened. If anything, him being president strengthened the power of voting once he was out of office due to his so-called failures. I only say 'so-called' to avoid arguments with other people and who knows if history will vindicate him. Anyway, this is what I previously stated-- sitting back and doing nothing creates atrocities in government powers and it hurts everyone. Our foundations get crushed and we lose our freedoms and luxuries. But you're beliefs say doing something about it is satan toying with us. The JW's sit back, don't take action, and then play the blame game after the crap hits the fan. They have no right to do that. Say what you want, your opinion does not count in politics.

About Jesus' stance on neutrality though, sure our founding fathers took a swing at that and it worked for a while, but the bigger they get, the harder the problems get. I've stated this many times, but Jesus was practically the first hippy. "Slap my cheek? I'll turn so you can hit the other!" Taking Jesus' neutral stance gets you run over a lot in the present.

not take part in any other community but their own. Ok now your slandering. The JW's have supported many disaster reliefs such as the false flag 9/11 attack.

And it was pretty convenient that Bethel was in NYC and that they always use this as an example without acknowledging the other religious groups that aided. Let me share with you a quick personal story-- my dad volunteered to go down to New Orleans (Sladell? Sledell?) to aid during Katrina. He ended up being assigned to a group that cleaned out a deserted restaurant and used it as a station for taking care of dropped-off abandoned dogs, cats, etc. He was gone for 2 weeks and loved every minute of it.

During this time he was a JW and when he got home, my parents had a small party and some JW's came for it. One man who he'd never met before asked him about it and wondered why he didn't go down to aid the JW's in rebuilding their homes first. The man seemed offended and wouldn't let it go. As a result, the elders took him in later at church and questioned him for not looking to the church first to see what he could do for the JW's down there. So pretty much he was scolded for aiding down there because he didn't help the right people. So don't tell me I'm slandering. I've seen it with my own eyes.

All birthdays and holidays venerate a world ruler or venerate spiritistic teachings, the hallmarks of babylon the great!!!

Who cares? They've evolved into something somewhat nice. Just like soccer. Soccer has a brutal and barbaric history and now it's the most-played sport on the planet. Nobody has the right to say they're mandatory or that you can't do them. And the reason people do them today is because they're fun (or zombies from doing it all their lives  ). I'm sure little kids prefer hunting for easter eggs without their parents telling them that they're imploring worship in sex and fertility goddesses.

As for preaching all the time that's a lie, when they're not preaching they're inviting people to gatherings, eating at restaurants, going to movies etc.

Oh I know. I've been there. Mormons do this to. And then once you're there and not of the church, they will pester you to join. I've seen this dozens of times-- stories from myself and others.

Hey, everyone has to make the decision whether to be a friend of the world or not. Also everyone must choose who to slave for cause you can't slave for 2 masters

I'll take the one that I can see and interact with without my telepathy.

As for majority of Church-goers who are you referring to the JW's or christendom?

JW's. The majority of the people I grew up with left within a 5 year period.

[queenofnines]

Thanks for taking this one, Falconer.  All I could say was "WOW". 

Speaking of the Mormons following people around, we get letters from the local Mormon church wherever we move!!  I have no idea how they find us...my husband was raised Mormon, and somehow got on this mailing list that knows where people live!!  How intrusive.

[walksalone11]

The US may not be going so far as "Manifest Destiny" every where in the world they reach into, however they do employ a form of forced assimilation time and time again......some folks are just not interested in converting to democracy and just like religion, should not be forced to adhere to it.

The thing with majority rule,is, that when the majority calls all the shots, the minority are forced to be dragged along for the ride.

For a look at a system which is much more fair across the board take a look at "The Great Law of Peace" of the Iroquois Confederacy...... Now you may say that the US Constitution was based from that exact system however upon closer study it is readily evident which parts were adopted and which were not. Finely, with just a bit of logical contemplation it shouldn't be too hard to come to some "speculation" as to why some of The Great Law could not be employed while maintaining the agendas of your "Founding Fathers".

And now........

***off my soapbox and back to defending/bashing Creator***