I do NOT believe in god

[Falconer02]

Whatever when I was never rude until particular people got pretty rude with me.

That's right. It's everyones fault but your own. There's a conspiracy against you. We're all so sorry.

I think jerk or rude perosn would have been a little more polite then calling me a *bleep*.

I thought you were a guy. Internet names don't do justice for me. Get over it!

[laceybriglia]

Whatever when I was never rude until particular people got pretty rude with me.

That's right. It's everyones fault but your own. There's a conspiracy against you. We're all so sorry.

I think jerk or rude perosn would have been a little more polite then calling me a *bleep*.

I thought you were a guy. Internet names don't do justice for me. Get over it!

Well maybe you should go back and look at every previous post because honestly I was trying to get my point and beliefs across without being rude at first. But you know some people insisted on being rude to me first and honestly I'm not going to put up with it so I stood up for myself... so what.

Have you ever met a guy named Lacey? Because I haven't. That's common sense buddy.

[laceybriglia]

you mean non-believers?!? Why would I make believers look bad if I am one myself?!? Oh, and if I recall, you just called lacey a Troll and a Naive Di*k just because they refuse to give up their belief in God.

Nice conclusion, Holmes. Why would an agnostic tell one to give up their belief in god? More importantly, why am I answering to you? I was only stating she was being rude without seeing it herself. She was starting to show signs of trolling-- I just wanted to inform her. So stop shoving words in my mouth and making me look worse than yourself. As has been stated probably a hundred times to you, stop trolling these threads. You're incapable of any form of argument. Now go post 20 paragraphs with purple text or something.

Lacey, you probably have some issues with me, but from a person who cares about your argumentative skills I would highly suggest not taking sides with her. Besides, I thought you were a robot.

you are the only one trolling. I just wonder if your male or female because if you are a female then responding to you is a waste of time but if you are male which I kinda think you are...

He's male. You can just tell by the way he acts. But if he were female why would it be a waste of time to respond?

[Falconer02]

My brother goes by female names online all the time just to throw people off. Marieelissa can't even distinguish if I'm a guy or girl yet. See my point? Heheh

[laceybriglia]

My brother goes by female names online all the time just to throw people off. Marieelissa can't even distinguish if I'm a guy or girl yet. See my point? Heheh

  Yeah...cause people do that all the time.



You're a guy.. It's so obvious. Not by your name but by the way you act. If you're femaale I would be extremely shocked

[Falconer02]

Yeah...cause people do that all the time.

They do in online games all the time. "Oh look! A girl! Protect her!"

You're a guy.. It's so obvious. Not by your name but by the way you act. If you're femaale I would be extremely shocked

Only on friday nights, babe. Hahahahaha

[queenofnines]

I meant I am completely knowledgeable of the concept of the big bang theory and other main concepts of science. Oh and have you never had a typo?
Also of course I have read non-christian sources. I mean I told you I doubted God before and that was obviously because I was reading some "non christian sources"
I mean of course all trees have a life-span but it is kinda ironic for the oldest tree to be the same age as when Noah's flood ended. That's a big coincidence...

I doubt you are completely knowledgeable of the Big Bang theory or other "main concepts of science", unless you actually work in that field as your career.  In reality, I would guess your age to be around 24-years-old and definitely not working in the field of science.

As for typos...I don't mean to directly insult here, but usually an easy test of intelligence is if a person is capable of properly using spelling and grammar.

You can dabble in hearing what the atheist side is saying and still revert to being a Christian, no doubt.

As for your tree...if there was a similar marker that showed "evidence" for the Koran, should we draw the same conclusion?  Psh, of course not because Islam is false, right?  I point out that example because Christians can't see how easily their claims can be applied to ANYTHING.

What you think are "coincidences" or "miracles" are bound to happen a few hundred times a day across a globe of 7 billion people.  If an event that seems strange or "evidence for god" is one out of a million, it's still going to happen somewhere at some time.  If everyone in the world gets a lottery ticket and one person wins, that person feels "lucky", but in reality, someone had to get picked based on the odds, so that person is not special.

[laceybriglia]

As for typos...I don't mean to directly insult here, but usually an easy test of intelligence is if a person is capable of properly using spelling and grammar.

I guess you don't know what a typo is. It's not that I didn't know how to spell the word knowledgeable. I was typing fast and accidentally forgot the 'e' I'm positive you have had a typo atleast once in your life and that does not make you unintellgent.

[laceybriglia]

Only on friday nights, babe. Hahahahaha

Lol my point exactly a girl doesn't joke like that.

[queenofnines]

Though I read thru matt,mark,luke, and john I decided to start reading the bible for myself cover-to-cover. As I kept going, I realized how psychotic, barbaric, delusional, and wordy it was. I stopped in Deuteronomy somewhere because I was appalled at the book I was defending. It boggled my mind.....That's when I figured it really was a shell people use for keeping themselves from any other type of questioning thoughts-- a castration of the mind per se. They'll fight tooth-and-nail to use any cop-out they can. Because I know I did. And like you, I look back at that and groan thinking I wasted so much effort on it. But hey, I still have those friends and I learned a lot about the world, didn't I?  

I think it's so funny that religion encourages people to read their holy texts, because for the few people that actually do sit down and read them cover-to-cover, it becomes abundantly clear what the problems are.  I've yet to hear any Christian explain why it's "okay" that god was a mass-murderer in the OT.  Or why the Bible is filled with such useless and distasteful sh*t...oh wait, it's not completely useless, it's great arsenal against the very god they claim to believe in!

Christianity is DEFINITELY a castration of the mind.  I am 75% of the way through the videos Lacey wanted us to watch, and I find myself being like a third party in the debate, pointing out the fallacies of the Christian that the audience wasn't allowed to.  As I yelled at the stupidity of what the Christian is saying, my husband came over and joked, "Shh, don't think!" and put his hand over my mouth.  lol

I'm actually glad to have had my brief stint as a Christian, because you're right, you do learn about the world, and you also have "insider experience" to the mindset then as an atheist, which is an advantage.

[queenofnines]

You're a guy.. It's so obvious. Not by your name but by the way you act. If you're femaale I would be extremely shocked

I don't get it.  This implies that being a male is somehow a bad thing and that females are better??

His posts remind me of my husband, actually, who is also highly intelligent.  For example, when Falconer quoted something you said and replied, "Naivety" that completely sounded like something my husband would say.

[laceybriglia]

I don't get it.  This implies that being a male is somehow a bad thing and that females are better??



Lighten up I never said or implied that. I could just tell he was male by the way he acts. Just like you said he reminds you of your husband (whih is obviously a male.)

[queenofnines]

When did this debate take place btw?

I am on video 11 out of 15 and so far, these are the conclusions I have come to as to why the Christian argument ends up being voted by the audience as "more convincing":

#1 - The debate took place AT A CHURCH in 1993.  Obviously, who are the people in the audience going to have a bias for before the debate even begins -- the "good" Christian who shares their beliefs, or the "bad", controversial, unpopular atheist?

#2 - Dr. Craig (the Christian) is a good-looking, impassioned, strong speaker who dominates confidence, uses "big words", and gives an aura of authority (i.e., he pretends to be really sure of what the hell he is talking about).  Mr. Zindler (the atheist) on the other hand, is a quirky-looking, meek-seeming, quiet speaker who has a lisp and says "um" a lot.  These superficial differences, unfortunately, are detrimental to the atheist case, as a captive, already-Christian audience is of course going to notice that the person on "their team" appears to be a much more eloquent speaker, regardless if most everything the atheist says makes sense; they are more easily deceived by the DELIVERY of the message.  Dr. Craig uses the fact that Christians are much more easily stirred by emotions to his advantage, and goes on to behave like a Baptist.

#3 - Dr. Craig (the Christian) BULLIES Mr. Zindler at the start and finish of every rebuttal.  He'll be like, "Mr. Zindler STILL hasn't given us any evidence as to why atheism is correct; can I get a hell yeah, praise Jesus!" and just from his mocking, bullying tone, all of the Christians clap and go, "Oh he is so right!"  In reality, Mr. Zindler's points make complete logical sense; Dr. Craig seems to think that essentially ripping the Bible to shreds is not proof against the Christian god.  Dr. Craig fails to address some very real points like:

One of the earliest contradictions of the Bible is that Eve "sinned against god" by eating the fruit because hello, she could not know not listening to god was wrong until she ate the knowledge of good and evil!  So mankind today is punished because Eve was expected to know that not listening to god's instructions was wrong before she had knowledge of what wrong was?!  Yeah, that's fair.  That makes sense!


All in all, this debate was not set up in Mr. Zindler's favor.  It would have been much more worthy of a debate had Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens been swapped in so that Dr. Craig didn't "win" due to a slew of cheap shots.

[laceybriglia]

#1 - The debate took place AT A CHURCH in 1993.  Obviously, who are the people in the audience going to have a bias for before the debate even begins -- the "good" Christian who shares their beliefs, or the "bad", controversial, unpopular atheist?

#3 - Dr. Craig (the Christian) BULLIES Mr. Zindler at the start and finish of every rebuttal.  He'll be like, "Mr. Zindler STILL hasn't given us any evidence as to why atheism is correct; can I get a hell yeah, praise Jesus!" and just from his mocking, bullying tone, all of the Christians clap and go, "Oh he is so right!"  In reality, Mr. Zindler's points make complete logical sense; Dr. Craig seems to think that essentially ripping the Bible to shreds is not proof against the Christian god. All in all, this debate was not set up in Mr. Zindler's favor.  It would have been much more worthy of a debate had Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens been swapped in so that Dr. Craig didn't "win" due to a slew of cheap shots.

#1 I think you purposely forgot to mention there were many atheists at the debate as well.
#3 He bullied him? What is this elementary school? I think you're just making exuses for the atheist.

[bigedshult]

how can u not believe in God ! you just have too look at the world to see that .this could not happen by chance some one had to plan it out that is what ur Hevenly Farther did with the help of his son Jesus Christ.