I do NOT believe in god

[queenofnines]

Why in the world are you all "Non Christians" so worried about the Christian religion?  Why don't you just not worry about it.........I don't believe in being a Buddhist but I don't go on forums and try my best to prove to them how it's bull. Why would I? It's pointless......We don't care what you say either. Because honestly I know God exists and I don't care what anyone says because he has proven to me he exists   YOU ALL are the hypocrits.

Why am I worried?  Because the majority of people have sacrificed the ability to think.  They have childish fairy tales at the center of their lives that lead them to commit atrocities, from gay-bashing to full-fledged 9/11.  I'm worried because billions of people are being lied to, given false hope.  It causes them to live their lives very differently, wasting time, money, and mental effort in vain.  Granted, many individuals would not be able to function if they knew the truth about god, and for the purpose of passing on the gene, religion is needed in individuals who wouldn't be able to cope otherwise.  It's a sad reality for me living in the world where it seems the majority of humans are scared and weak and have to resort to impossible pipe dreams just to cope with being alive.

Why is being a Buddhist bull but a Christian isn't? 

And having informative discussion is not completely pointless...there may be people quietly reading who choose not to participate in the talk, but what we discuss is helping them.  Or 5 years from now, something an intelligent atheist said might strike a chord with a doubting Christian.  The tools and information need to be out there, even though you're completely right, most of the Christians are so far-gone, stubborn, close-minded, and delusional that any mountain of evidence against their security-blanket religion will not phase them at all.  This is usually because they're in the camp of people who wouldn't be able to function if they found out there wasn't a god.  They're so petrified to admit that could be true that they cling to their pipe dreams of heaven, prayer, etc.

How are atheists hypocrites?  We don't have a F-ed up book telling us what is right and wrong.  We don't have a way we're "supposed" to act like you do.

[queenofnines]

I've found that those who feel the need to bash other peoples' beliefs are just trying to hide the insecurity they feel with their own.

Only if they believe in the impossible. 

[acurtsinger2]

wow, this is geting deep in here.      for those who beleive, no proof is needed.  for those who do not, there is never enough...   thank God it is a free country.

[laceybriglia]

You're a hypocrit because you all say that Christians try to force our religion down others throat. Which is exactly what you are doing. You are forcing your religion onto me.. Saying that God is not real and all that crap. Why do you feel the need to convert Christians into being Atheists? That's ridiculus. You may be making people believe there is no God which is just messed up. Let people believe what they wish. That is how you're being a hypocrit. Also by saying you believe in peaace and love and everything but then trying to make people doubt their own religion. Well it didn't work. I will NEVER not believe in God. I may not trust everything that is in the bible exactly only because man wrote it. I am not your average Christian but I am definitely a Christian.
Oh and by the way I was just using the buddhist thing as an example.. I don't rag on other people's religion.  

[angel379227]

Why am I worried?  Because the majority of people have sacrificed the ability to think.  They have childish fairy tales at the center of their lives that lead them to commit atrocities, from gay-bashing to full-fledged 9/11. 

You're fooling yourself if you think humanity would be any less violent without religion. If there's one thing I've learned from watching South Part (Science be praised! lulz ), it's that we will always have reason to fight and murder in the name of something greater than us, whether it be god or simply our ideals. Sure many religionists use their faith as a crutch, but some people just aren't as strong-willed as you are and really need that crutch to hold themselves up. If it wasn't some god doing it, it would be something else-- and really, who are you to judge what avenues we use as human beings to provide hope and comfort in our lives? Would you take away a crippled man's wheelchair because you feel he's perfectly capable of getting around without it, because you think you know what's best for him?

Queen, you're so feisty, with a strong spirit, and I love that, truly. But if you really think this confrontational methods you use to explainin your views is going to make some Christian "see the light" somewhere down the road then you are mistaken. Objectively, you have to see that the way you present your case is just as offensive to Christians as the most zealous bible-thumper claiming "you'll burn witch" is to you. The fact that you are intelligent adds little weight to your argument, I'm afraid, because believe it or not, there are people out there who are more intelligent than the both of us combined, proclaiming their faith. I've met some, so I know.

I'd really love to see your spirit used to fight for the right of freedom of choice rather than crucifying Christians for their beliefs, but if you're truly hell-bent on beating religion out of this country then you're going to have to learn a new method. Join me in attempting to open minds peacefully and gently, as folks are so much more susceptible to reason when you're not trying to cram their ideals or your own into their faces.

[teflonfanatic]

Why am I worried?  Because the majority of people have sacrificed the ability to think.  They have childish fairy tales at the center of their lives that lead them to commit atrocities, from gay-bashing to full-fledged 9/11. 

You're fooling yourself if you think humanity would be any less violent without religion. If there's one thing I've learned from watching South Part (Science be praised! lulz ), it's that we will always have reason to fight and murder in the name of something greater than us, whether it be god or simply our ideals. Sure many religionists use their faith as a crutch, but some people just aren't as strong-willed as you are and really need that crutch to hold themselves up. If it wasn't some god doing it, it would be something else-- and really, who are you to judge what avenues we use as human beings to provide hope and comfort in our lives? Would you take away a crippled man's wheelchair because you feel he's perfectly capable of getting around without it, because you think you know what's best for him?

Queen, you're so feisty, with a strong spirit, and I love that, truly. But if you really think this confrontational methods you use to explainin your views is going to make some Christian "see the light" somewhere down the road then you are mistaken. Objectively, you have to see that the way you present your case is just as offensive to Christians as the most zealous bible-thumper claiming "you'll burn witch" is to you. The fact that you are intelligent adds little weight to your argument, I'm afraid, because believe it or not, there are people out there who are more intelligent than the both of us combined, proclaiming their faith. I've met some, so I know.

I'd really love to see your spirit used to fight for the right of freedom of choice rather than crucifying Christians for their beliefs, but if you're truly hell-bent on beating religion out of this country then you're going to have to learn a new method. Join me in attempting to open minds peacefully and gently, as folks are so much more susceptible to reason when you're not trying to cram their ideals or your own into their faces.

Well if you read some of revelation there will be 4 invisible horseman of the apcolyapse(yes I can't spell please laugh at me). The 4 horseman are michael, death, pestilence and war and it's pretty clear that at least 3 of the 4 are galloping right now since there is a lot of war and there's little to no peace. There's the swine flu going on or pestilence and of course people are dying left and right due to all the things I mention oh and lets not forget about food shortages.

[angel379227]

Well if you read some of revelation there will be 4 invisible horseman of the apcolyapse(yes I can't spell please laugh at me).

I do know Revelation, as there isn't anything quite so thrilling as prophesies of doom and fantastical events to get the imagination all fired up. Most of my thoughts on this last book to be included in your holy scriptures is located on the fourth page of this thread.

I'm curious why you quoted my post to Queen and started spouting prophesies? I'd like to respond to you but I have no idea what direction you're trying to take this discussion. 

[queenofnines]

<<You're a hypocrit because you all say that Christians try to force our religion down others throat. Which is exactly what you are doing. You are forcing your religion onto me..>>

Nah, in "real life" (a.k.a. not this forum) I leave Christians alone.  Seriously.  Because I KNOW one cannot change another person unless they want to change for themselves.  ***Atheism is not a religion***

<<Why do you feel the need to convert Christians into being Atheists? That's ridiculus. You may be making people believe there is no God which is just messed up.>>

Again, you are calling atheism a religion; it is the exact opposite of and LACK of religion.  Most atheists do not like being called atheists because Christians LOVE to say that it is a religion, and religion is the last thing we want to be associated with.  I was a Christian from 2002-2007; I didn't "convert" to atheism.  I converted to doing academic research on these religious claims, converted to questioning things that are wrong with religion, converted to thinking for myself, and converted to having the courage to accept that god is a lie invented by man to make us feel better about purpose and death.  That is so messed up for me to encourage those things in others, I know!  <-- sarcasm

<<Also by saying you believe in peaace and love and everything but then trying to make people doubt their own religion.>>

I never said I believe in peace and love and everything.  Your putting words in my mouth proves you gloss over the hard stuff written by posters like Falconer and I, and your knee-jerk reaction is to defend your god at all costs.

<<I may not trust everything that is in the bible exactly only because man wrote it.>>

God would be very disappointed to hear that...it's His Word and is Perfect, so says Christianity...sounds like you are making excuses because you realize there is a lot of awful stuff in the Bible.

[teflonfanatic]

Well if you read some of revelation there will be 4 invisible horseman of the apcolyapse(yes I can't spell please laugh at me).

I do know Revelation, as there isn't anything quite so thrilling as prophesies of doom and fantastical events to get the imagination all fired up. Most of my thoughts on this last book to be included in your holy scriptures is located on the fourth page of this thread.

I'm curious why you quoted my post to Queen and started spouting prophesies? I'd like to respond to you but I have no idea what direction you're trying to take this discussion. 

@queenofnines: Who are you referring to?
@angel379227: Srry for making you feel bad or something, I just thought prophecy will help some believe. Anyway, there's a GREAT PROGRAM called exodus decoded, EVERYONE should watch that program. Whether your atheist, muslim, hindu, wiccan, agnostic, egyptologist ETC. That program explains the archaelogy, and science of the exodus. BTW, exodus decoded has nothing to do with my denomination.

[queenofnines]

You're fooling yourself if you think humanity would be any less violent without religion. If there's one thing I've learned from watching South Part (Science be praised! lulz ), it's that we will always have reason to fight and murder in the name of something greater than us, whether it be god or simply our ideals. Sure many religionists use their faith as a crutch, but some people just aren't as strong-willed as you are and really need that crutch to hold themselves up. If it wasn't some god doing it, it would be something else-- and really, who are you to judge what avenues we use as human beings to provide hope and comfort in our lives? Would you take away a crippled man's wheelchair because you feel he's perfectly capable of getting around without it, because you think you know what's best for him?

I never claimed humanity would be less violent.  We don't know.  I think there is definitely the chance that some would not take a godless existence well and act out, be selfish, and commit crimes.  Or even if god wasn't a factor at all, for many it goes back to the gene and doing anything to survive.  

On the other hand, it can't be ignored how much we are holding ourselves back as a species, believing things that aren't true.  Also, many people deprive or hold themselves back in life in the name of god, believing that a hard life today is okay because they'll get a heaven for eternity.  Lastly, stopping all of the crimes done in the name of religion, both small and big, shouldn't be seen as a mute point because it's assumed or feared that something might replace those crimes.

As far as saying an able-bodied man should be allowed his wheelchair, I have some empathy and then I don't.  In theory, I can empathize with the concept, because life can be hard and sometimes those coping mechanisms are necessary.  In the long-term, though, it may be making the person weak and altering their quality of life.  If they are in a relationship, it can be very damaging against another person for one to have certain "crutches".

As for speaking "nicely", it has to be kept in mind that seemingly blunt-looking words may be read in a tone that is much higher than the author intended.  Regardless, in most cases I don't think people should feel that they should have to sugar-coat their words.  I don't go around directly calling a specific person an idiot or anything like that (which I've seen plenty of around this forum).

[walksalone11]

[laceybriglia]

For your information I know Atheism is not a religion. But whatever forcing your beliefs (if that makes you feel so much better.) down our throats. I told you already that I am not your "average" christian. I do not go to church. I spent half of my life at a Christian school but I feel that I can praise God at my home. I'm not making up any exuses God himself said "Do not trust men. They will lie and tell untrue stories." Well the bible is written by men, not God himself. He may have influenced much of it but I do believe most is very true but some I think men threw in there. I think you sound so bitter towards the Christian religion. Like you're trying to get payback for something.. It's actually very strange. I think you and all of your little "anti-Christianity" friends should find a useful hobby and maybe a life where you can do good for people and not try to convince them that God isn't real because that's the nonsense you believe.

[Falconer02]

I'm not making up any exuses God himself said "Do not trust men. They will lie and tell untrue stories." Well the bible is written by men, not God himself. He may have influenced much of it but I do believe most is very true but some I think men threw in there.

Do you not see the irony in this statement?

I think you and all of your little "anti-Christianity" friends should find a useful hobby and maybe a life where you can do good for people and not try to convince them that God isn't real because that's the nonsense you believe.

Well thanks for judging a person you've never met. How Christian of you. Seriously, how do you know she hasn't done an exponential amount of good deeds compared to your life? How do you know her hobby does not involve rescuing animals or volunteering somewhere? How do you know that convincing people Christianity is ridiculously faulty is a bad thing? Oh wait-- I forgot. That book written by men tells you to, right? She's an atheist. She's evil. She's going to hell. Well I'll let you in on something I've learned from standing back and viewing it all-- never follow a religion that rewards close-mindedness.

[tzs]

You know what.... were all going to hell for writing about religion in this forum... And where gonna have a "gone to hell" Party!!!!!!!!..Ha HA HA!!!!!!!

how's about that?

I'll by that for a dollar!

Just kidding!! Hell doesn't exist, but I am sure with the proper equiptment you could drill really far down until you reach the center of the earth, and it would be pretty "Hell-Like"- or like.. freakin' CHINA!!!!!
So, start diggin' folks......
It's a long waaayyyyy doooowwwwnnn!
But just remember......

" Don't Worry......."
"If there's hell below......Where all Gonna Go!"

(someone in here has to listens to Curtis Mayfield's music, OR Richard Pryor's Comedy........)

[debraleesparks]