I do NOT believe in god

[angel379227]

This thread has become an entity.

And Sheryl, I doubt whatever version of the bible you carry translates any better than what she's quoted.

[Falconer02]

ONLY JESUS....there may be tons of "stories" about other "saviors and rule-makers" who will reward you eternally besides Jesus but when they died, I don't recall hearing about how they rose from the dead like Jesus did...

Horus, Osiris, Attis of Phrygia, Krishna, Mithra of Persia, and Dionysus

All of these characters have attributes similar to Jesus. They don't tell the exact story word for word as told in the NT, but they have many of the same ideals, functions, births, deaths, nicknames, and traditions (Dionysus = god of wine. Was believed to be "in the wine," and when it was drunk, a mania overtook his followers, his spirit being in them). I think two of them rose from the dead 3 days after their deaths. Dionysus was resurrected a few times even.

Despite what any creationist website will say to shell themselves away from the reality of things, saying Jesus isn't loosely based on any of these is like saying "O' Brother Where Art Thou" isn't loosely based on Homers "The Odyssey".

and no...NOT everyone fears death

I was being blunt with this because it just sounded naive. I don't know you personally so maybe you're an android or something...but if you were thrown into a pit of rabid angry pitbulls, tied to railroad tracks and the train was a couple dozen feet away, or there was an armed murderer coming up the stairs and you were trapped without any means of defense, you cannot be human if you don't feel the fear of death. Sure you can say you wouldn't because "god's gonna be with me through it!" but don't fool yourself. It's natural to fear death, toughy.

All of your scientific theories are just as dumb to me as you think Christianity is.

Gravity vs. Talking Snake! OH IT'S ON!

[laceybriglia]

Gravity vs. Talking Snake! OH IT'S ON!

I obviously wasn't talking about gravity... I mean seriously wtf.

I was referring to the big bang theory and all the other theories of how the world came to be.
to me they are ridiculus.. just like you think Christianity is ridiculus. Everyone has their own beliefs. I honestly don't care what else you have to say either.

[laceybriglia]

Here is just a small fraction of proof to why Christianity is true.
This was written by a former atheist... Read number 5 if you don't believe me.. He/she used to do the same crap you guys do.

http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

[Falconer02]

I was referring to the big bang theory and all the other theories of how the world came to be.
to me they are ridiculus.. just like you think Christianity is ridiculus.

Theory- a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.

A scientist will have the guts to admit they were wrong if your theory is justifiable. If it furthers our understanding of things, they'll shake your hand.

Here is just a small fraction of proof to why Christianity is true.
This was written by a former atheist... Read number 5 if you don't believe me.. He/she used to do the same crap you guys do.

Another creationist website? Mixing god with science and then jumping to Jesus? I assure you many atheists have seen this approach dozens of times. Everything listed in there has a scientific theory to it. If you can disprove every single one of them (ie list the scientific theory weighed against "god did it! It's perfect!" and describe in detail why the scientific evidence is false) then maybe this article would have some weight to it. If you cannot, then this is nothing more than a typical creationist swing on things.

Delusion- a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact.

[queenofnines]

Let's just say there is no God, what does it matter? What does it change? I really don't know who would want to live for eternity anyways. Why is there a need for a God? Just enjoy life and the time you have and if there is nothing after then it's not like it will matter. Why even debate the existance of God? I guess I just don't understand. Some people don't care if there is a God, some don't need one, some are happy with just dying and being dead.
I honestly would rather there be no God then there be one and wind up in Hell. I am also not so sure I would want to live for eternity because it just goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and never ever ends and keeps going. Makes me think I might go nuts. I like the idea of death but then again I have no children and I am not married and really am not close to any family members.
But o'well. Why debate, people get irate.
Atheists seem cool with the idea there is no God and laugh at those that believe and call it fairy tale nonsense. Atheists seem unaffected by this reality so it can be done. I am sure Atheists loose no sleep at night and laugh and have a good time in life and they also have children. Sometimes their children will die but they mourn then get up and go to work soon after because that's life.

It DOES change certain aspects of your lifestyle to come away from god; namely, being granted the ability to think more and rationalize and be logical, and that obviously is going to have you seeing a lot of things clearer.  Perhaps you'll develop more human rights-based morals (gays should be allowed to marry, etc.).  Maybe if you were one of those mushy believers who only believed in "something higher" would things not really change.

You are absolutely right about the eternity factor (whether one has family or not).  You WOULD go nuts having to be conscious indefinitely; eventually everything would get old and not be special because that's just how our brains work.  I'm sure many of you sometimes already feel it in your daily life now!  God would have to do a routine brain wipe on us for us to be happy long-term in heaven.  Many believers will also have to be turned into vegetables, lest they recall that many of their loved ones are burning in hell.  There's a need for god because people don't realize what forever really means.  To them, being like they are when they're asleep at night or before they were born is scarier than an eternity of being bored, forced to worship a monster who sent many of the people they loved to hell.  They assume it will be all ecstasy and rainbows indefinitely, and that's not possible.

It is definitely a sick game that "god" has set up for us.  Set up a world that is scientifically not in his favor, give us a Bible with absurd laws and a plethora of passages that demonstrate what a monster he is, then send all walks of life to hell simply for not "believing" in him.  What a 3-year-old god is.

[walksalone11]

Let's not confuse the fear of imminent pain and suffering with that of death or what waits after.....

I'm kinda busy today but considering my own personal beliefs of what awaits on the other side I'm kinda looking forward to it.....

[Falconer02]

Let's not confuse the fear of imminent pain and suffering with that of death or what waits after

There ya go. I was thinking of the before and after part. Not just the after. My mistake. Thanks, mate.

You'd be very wrong there.  Ever hear of David & the Lion's Den?  The 3 men in the fiery furnace?

I am well aware of those stories. They are a great example for people who put their lives on the line to believe in god. But they're just myths.

If it's His Will to deliver them, He will.  If it's not His Will, then to be killed is simply to go be with Him.

How convenient to think this way.

[laceybriglia]

The big bang theory is not true : http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/133-the-big-bang-theory-vs-gods-word

[angel379227]

Most of the disciples died horrific deaths, many missionaries have, Jesus sure did.  When one's soul is in God's Hands, there is nothing to fear.

Jesus feared death.

Eloi Eloi Lama Sabachthani

You would honestly have to be completely deranged not to.

[Falconer02]

Lacey, seriously, if you want people to listen to you, you're going to have to add sources that aren't from creationist viewpoints.

[angel379227]

Yeah lil lady. Consider different sources before you declare what is or isn't truth.

[dmalsbury]

I don't either, the religious rantings make me ill.

[queenofnines]

I was questioning WHY mention repeatedly that Jesus said not to take away any word from the law....and then use many verses taken from a Catholic Bible to prove points when the Catholic Bible is one version that is known to have been "modified" to suit the purpose of the Catholic faith...it doesn't make much sense.

It was an oversight on my part that it was a "Catholic" Bible but you are making excuses; the same exact verses are in your "Christian" New International Version.

[StephaBon]

  Doesn't the bible tell you not to worship man-made idols?  Well, were you there at the time of christ?  Isn't the bible a tool of a man-made idol IE the cross?  Isn't the figure of your christ on a cross in churches an idol?  

If someone is worshiping the image of the cross itself, then by all means, shame on them.  The cross and our depiction of Christ is a memorial so that we do not forget what he did for us.  God commands the Israelites in the Old Testament to set up memorials to remember what He did for them.  We do not worship the cross, we worship the Lord who died on it.  It is only an image to remind us.